Trump calls for ending FDA authority for regulating tobacco (and e-cigs)

[Baditude]

Trump calls for ending FDA authority for regulating tobacco

Should Congress get onboard with this?

President Trump has proposed removing the Food and Drug Administration's responsibility for tobacco regulation in his latest budget request, a task likely to be met with backlash from tobacco control advocates.

The budget request, released Monday, calls for creating an entirely new agency nested under the Department of Health and Human Services to regulate tobacco products, including e-cigarettes.

Dimitris Agrafiotis (vaping Greek) -- "double sided...at least we have some laws in place to protect us now. an independent body would have more power so depends on who is running it and the administration if it is good or bad... could be very bad."


Thoughts?

 

[Rossum]

The decision of whether to overhaul agencies as Trump has proposed, as well as whether to increase or decrease their funding, will fall to Congress.

Somehow, I can't imagine this getting past the current House of Representatives...

 

[somdcomputerguy]

.. calls for creating an entirely new agency ..

"Let's drain the swamp by filling it up."

 

[Baditude]

I don't know many policy makers (House of Representatives or Senate) who accept vaping as an option for smoking cessation. Most are aware of the money the States get from the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement, so Big Tobacco's interests will always be protected. I fear the vape industry's interests will be minimalized or possibly be abandoned by a new regulatory agency.

 

[Myrany]

Also what would be the implications for the PMTA process. Somehow I do not see anything being done and in place before the May date. So it might well be a relatively moot point.

 

[Rossum]

Also what would be the implications for the PMTA process. Somehow I do not see anything being done and in place before the May date. So it might well be a relatively moot point.

The FDA might not be terribly motivated to enforce the Deeming if they knew that it was all going away to another agency.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Most are aware of the money the States get from the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement, so Big Tobacco's interests will always be protected.

I think that more than most are more than aware..

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I see no difference if the FDA is the overseer or some specialized, new alphabet agency is. In fact, like Dimitris Agrafiotis said, it could end up being worse.

Makes no difference to me who takes away my rights and freedoms, they're all enemies and traitors. And I fully condone/support strict enforcement of the traditional punishment for the latter.

 

[bnrkwest]

If tobacco goes under Health, it's all dead because they would kill it all off

 

[Don29palms]

They don't need a new .gov ABC bureaucracy. BATFE could do it.

 

[Ceejay0875]

A bureaucrat is still a bureaucrat at the end of the day and will still do whatever his master tells him to.

 

[Eskie]

If tobacco goes under Health, it's all dead because they would kill it all off

The FDA is under HHS as it is. They could just spin the current Tobacco Institute at the FDA into its own agency. And it’s still in HSS and already staffed.

It’s like the US Space Force. Same guys, same desks, and jobs they now have in the Air Force (and will continue to be paid by for the time being), the only difference is a new shoulder patch and title. It’s didn’t cost anything (other than the shoulder patches) but now we have a Space Force.

Now we’ll have TCA (Tobacco Control Agency), same guys, same desks, but some new stationary, who will be led by some dedicated appointed commissioner rather than the commissioner of the FDA.

The problem is Congress already handed this over to the FDA by law, so Congress will have to go along. Why would they? I haven’t a clue. It’s revenue neutral ( if it’s just the recycled Tobacco Institute) so harder to argue against on a budgetary level, but it’s also hard to conceive of an explanation for it unless it’s because no one at the FDA wants anything more to do with the whole disaster that exists now. I’m sure the FDA Commissioner would be happy to lose the headache. And the TTA can run just like the FCC, which is filled with telecom industry people who “understand” all that internet stuff.

I wonder what would happen to Zeller? Can’t picture a big win in this scenario for him.

Good.

 

[zoiDman]

Trump calls for ending FDA authority for regulating tobacco

Should Congress get onboard with this?

President Trump has proposed removing the Food and Drug Administration's responsibility for tobacco regulation in his latest budget request, a task likely to be met with backlash from tobacco control advocates.

The budget request, released Monday, calls for creating an entirely new agency nested under the Department of Health and Human Services to regulate tobacco products, including e-cigarettes.

Dimitris Agrafiotis (Vaping Greek) -- "double sided...at least we have some laws in place to protect us now. an independent body would have more power so depends on who is running it and the administration if it is good or bad... could be very bad."


Thoughts?

From the First Thread I saw this...

If this could be done, I'm Not Sure it would be Good? Or if it would be Bad?

Besides being a way to Deflect any Blow Back from the coming FDA Drop Dead Date.

"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again!

Don't get fooled again!
No, no!

Meet the New Boss
Same as the Old Boss!"

 

[vaper1960]

This is all a bit over my head (and doubt it will end up being "good" for any of us) but just wanted to thank @zoiDman for the Who song lyrics... I had that album on LP vinyl... wore it out playing it so much
Will be in the background listening... (to the discussion, maybe playing the Who song as I follow how this all plays out)

 

[Rossum]

They don't need a new .gov ABC bureaucracy. BATFE could do it.

I don't think that giving it to that particular agency is a good idea at all.
The FDA is known for sending strongly worded letters when you violate their regulations.
The BATFE sends JBTs with suppressed 10mm MP5s.
Given the choice between those two, I'd stick with the FDA, thanks!

 

[Myrany]

The FDA might not be terribly motivated to enforce the Deeming if they knew that it was all going away to another agency.

I am more concerned that by shifting to another agency it will be another bite at the apple to get the job done fully to eliminate vaping existence.

 

[vaper1960]

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[vaper1960]

I am more concerned that by shifting to another agency it will be another bite at the apple to get the job done fully to eliminate vaping existence.

Maybe that's what I was trying to say...

 

[Lowjumper]

And on the other side, if the FDA puts the hammer down on vaping, we loose and the FDA goes on screwing up other things! If a new agency does the same thing, there out of a job! When is the last time ya saw that!

 

[Don29palms]

I don't think that giving it to that particular agency is a good idea at all.
The FDA is known for sending strongly worded letters when you violate their regulations.
The BATFE sends JBTs with suppressed 10mm MP5s.
Given the choice between those two, I'd stick with the FDA, thanks!

Very true but maybe just maybe cigarettes and ejuice wouldn't be worth messing with.