Hangsen says the same thing. Don't think they use the term exotic though, I can check.
Trying to clone HHV Gandalf
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Hangsen says the same thing. Don't think they use the term exotic though, I can check.
Wow. I just checked and they say they have a "10 acre tobacco extraction factory" and that they are " the only company that has developed its e-liquid naturally from tobacco." Alrighty, then. LOL.
I am curious to see how Sigaro's endeavor turns out. A lot of times when we try to recreate anything, the process can yield very exciting developments that can even supersede the original intention.
Maybe he can find some truly exotic strain.....
How old are you? Really? Hangsen uses tobacco extracts in thier e-liquids and flavor concentrates. I'll email them a request to add the term "exotic strain" so you can get a little more excited about it. Cool?
Hey, but if you want a snack: I think you're funny! (And I don't mean "funny" as in haha.)
Hey, but if you want a snack: I think you're funny! (And I don't mean "funny" as in haha.)
That was very exotic!
i didnt wanna say anything but i completely agree with you here man... why in the world would you come in here and dangle the fact that you know whats in the juice and not say what it is??? why even bother to post anything.. you would be doing the same exact thing by just keeping your hands in your pockets. I thought this DIY section was for sharing..
your right it reminds me of high school.
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I don't owe anyone anything and I can post as I wish. I never said I know the recipe, I said I know of "some of the actual tobaccos in Gandy." And when I said "I would use a base mixture (even if FA) of a Virginia, or just add it to what you have going on so far. You could also toy around with a touch [of] some fruits like peach (I would say cherry, but artificial cherry flavors are horrid) and maybe add a little cocoa and even less of a coffee flavoring. It could get muddy, but I guess those things will happen when trying to recreate," I thought that was "sharing." If someone wants to know, you could do what I did and ask the maker.
Sigaro, I hope you get close.
If you follow the sagas on the threads, it seems that not even HHV can reliably "clone" Gandalf. I wish Sigaro all the best.
Yeah, it's better to take the advice of one who calls others what they themselves are. (Nice little riddle, with no purpose. Also, it's not a hard one to crack!
) On this subject: Does it bother anyone else that it is deemed okay to advertise 0 nicotine juices if they, in fact, have nicotine in them? The, "Oh, but it's so little, it doesn't really matter..." response comes to many people's tongues, I'm sure. But, it does! Nicotine is a drug and if someone purchases a product with the thought of it being free of that drug, they should have the right to have it so. Or, at the very least, have the right to know if there is indeed any nicotine in the product. Not really a finger pointed at HHV in particular, just something I think of when I hear about vendors using extracted tobacco in their 0 nic juices.
Just my thought on it.
Edit: I should add that, if the vendor does use a process of removing the nicotine, then obviously this rant isn't directed towards them. As long as they take the appropriate measures to make sure that it is nic-free before advertising it as so.
right.. you dont owe anyone anything but look at your quote^^^ you said that you know of some actual tobaccos in Gandy... so if you know it then tell us what it is.. or like i said "keep your hands in your pockets" because you havent contributed anything helpful at all by saying something like that. This thread is for DIY.. and people to share their experiments and experiences ... not for laughing at people trying to figure out whats in the juice.. And if you work for the company or you know them and they gave u a hint of whats in the juice then you shouldn't even be speaking of this... i know if i was them i wouldnt be happy about it. (besides the fact that they made a mistake by opening their mouth in the first place)
im just saying if you know something and your not willing to share it with everyone then why even post in the first place?? i dont need anyone to back me up here because to me, this is common sense..
Yeah, it's better to take the advice of one who calls others what they themselves are. (Nice little riddle, with no purpose. Also, it's not a hard one to crack!
On this subject: Does it bother anyone else that it is deemed okay to advertise 0 nicotine juices if they, in fact, have nicotine in them? The, "Oh, but it's so little, it doesn't really matter..." response comes to many people's tongues, I'm sure. But, it does! Nicotine is a drug and if someone purchases a product with the thought of it being free of that drug, they should have the right to have it so. Or, at the very least, have the right to know if there is indeed any nicotine in the product. Not really a finger pointed at HHV in particular, just something I think of when I hear about vendors using extracted tobacco in their 0 nic juices.
Just my thought on it.
of course it matters!!... even if its 1% of nic it matters.. thats so ridiculous that you claim to have 0nic in your juice when in fact.. YOU DO..
i dont know about anyone else but to me thats called "false advertisement" its not ok.
and IF HHV is mixing juice with nic in it and stating that there IS NO NIC in the juice.. then hell yea im pointing my finger.. but theres only one way to find out.... anyone got a HHV bottle and a nic test kit on em????
Sigaro,
I did get a strong resemblace between one of the Hangsen concentrates and some HHV stuff but that could just be me. They both claim to have natural tobacco extracts in them so who knows. Either way if your new to DIY and like tobacco types then I would recommend trying a few of the Hangsen flavors anyway because they are all very good (IMO). I got them from VZ but i'm sure other vendors carry them too.
I did get a strong resemblace between one of the Hangsen concentrates and some HHV stuff but that could just be me. They both claim to have natural tobacco extracts in them so who knows. Either way if your new to DIY and like tobacco types then I would recommend trying a few of the Hangsen flavors anyway because they are all very good (IMO). I got them from VZ but i'm sure other vendors carry them too.
Yeah, it's better to take the advice of one who calls others what they themselves are. (Nice little riddle, with no purpose. Also, it's not a hard one to crack!
On this subject: Does it bother anyone else that it is deemed okay to advertise 0 nicotine juices if they, in fact, have nicotine in them? The, "Oh, but it's so little, it doesn't really matter..." response comes to many people's tongues, I'm sure. But, it does! Nicotine is a drug and if someone purchases a product with the thought of it being free of that drug, they should have the right to have it so. Or, at the very least, have the right to know if there is indeed any nicotine in the product. Not really a finger pointed at HHV in particular, just something I think of when I hear about vendors using extracted tobacco in their 0 nic juices.
Just my thought on it.
Edit: I should add that, if the vendor does use a process of removing the nicotine, then obviously this rant isn't directed towards them. As long as they take the appropriate measures to make sure that it is nic-free before advertising it as so.
It sure does! Especially since some employers are now banning smokers and/or have insurance incentives for folks who do not use nicotine products and do testing. A person could be vaping what they think is 0 nic and fail the test. Could have their employment terminated or be rejected on their insurance or lose out on the insurance rate incentive.
My other quote was, "ask the maker." I was never sworn to secrecy, but I do like to compartmentalize info on a situational basis -- this ain't one of those situations for me to add my off the record discussions -- and I think that is honorable.
You're right, this thread is for DIY. But, I haven't seen you contribute to anything related to flavors or suggestions. What you have contributed to this thread is a dissection of my posts -- I guess I am returning that gesture. Maybe if you dissect Gandalf as much as you do my posts, you could get somewhere. I have contributed, you just want to ignore what I have said in lieu of what you think I could offer. Oh, and I never laughed at anyone, at least not those that made attempts at recreating it. My "hints" are based on common assertions of those that have been vaping this juice since its first batch.
On the topic of zero nic -- there are good points being made here, especially in regards to possible employment -- and those vendors that don't at least have disclaimers, or, just no options for zero nic with their NETs should have this brought to their attention. I am not saying that all NET zero nic juices are a farce, but they should at least provide information on testing that substantiates their claims, since it is a common understanding that most extracts will carry some nic, though likely in negligible amounts.
why would i sit here and type away about something i dont know of? in my opinion there is too much of that already on these forums.
im simply pointing out the fact that you are aware of what tobaccos are used in the juice, the OP is asking about it.. so others start to give opinions and talking about it.. then you pop out of no where and basically say "well, i know it but im not telling you".. that's ridiculous. if your not going to say what it is then be quiet.. why would you post hints? are you playing a game? (this is why it makes it look like your laughing at these guys trying to crack the juice)
ask the maker:
"the maker" is not going to tell us what type of tobacco it is.. they will tell us that its tobacco ... or in this case "tobacco that they extract themselves", but what good does that do for the people trying to crack it?... nothing more than the fact that they will know what the othhher ingredients are.. and another thing... just in case anyone is wondering.. you as a customer will always have the right to know whats in your juice. period. If they dont tell you then move on... (or not, ...your decision). So if you see that they are extracting their own tobacco and then saying that its nic free..... it could be a bunch of BS... but i wont sit here and yap about something i dont know or am not educated enough on. but i will say this.. if you know for a fact there is no other way to extract tobacco leaves without having some amount of nicotine at the end of your extraction... then someone is lying...
either that or they know something that you wish you did. hey OP, i apologize... im ranting about this crap... i didnt mean to jack the thread.. im done now..
Oh dear. Somebody doesn't know a farthing thing about agriculture, and tobacco agriculture in particular. In addition to Virginia, Brights (Orientals) and Burleys, there are a whole bunch of other tobacco strains grown and used for cigarettes, cigar and pipe tobaccos (and now, natural tobacco leaf flavor extractions). (And no, those other strains are not called "Marlboro" or "Camel" or "Salem".
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Gasp. Pant. Finally, I am happy to report that my 11/08 bottle of "Original Gandalf" tastes remarkably like the inimitable Gandalf #1 that got HHV off the ground and into The Big Leagues -- THIS is most certainly not "Cherrydalf"! (Current Gandy, aka Gandy #3)
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If you really was want to recreate gandalf i would hold off on the flavoring and make your own NET. Find a tobacco store near you (not a head shop, but a legitimate shop that specializes in tobacco you can't get at the gas station) and ask them to show you their Cavendish pipe tobaccos. They come in many different flavors so i would smell all of them to find out which reminds you most of gandalf then follow the methods outlined here
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Shame on you guys for mistreating Mr.Mann like that! 
He's actually one of the nicest persons in here. So if you have a problem with him, we can meet in the yard after the lunch bell.
He's actually one of the nicest persons in here. So if you have a problem with him, we can meet in the yard after the lunch bell.
I appreciate all the input and lively discussion.
I'll take these tips and report back my findings.
Cheers.
I'll take these tips and report back my findings.
Cheers.
Shame on you guys for mistreating Mr.Mann like that!
He's actually one of the nicest persons in here.
Knowledgeable, too.......esp. about tobaccos.
I wasn't really worried about Mr. Mann though.....he can hold his own.
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