Trying to save a loved ones life and desperately need your guidance

[Katya]

I'm pretty sure he will love vaping and not worried about it. He chases the nicotine buz and hates the gross taste of cigarettes/smell. Hes also wanting to get back in great shape again.He's got 3 bad addictions as of now smoking, World of Warcraft, and drinks only diet drinks nothingelse(not even water). We are gonna start with the MVP2's for now and maybe the ZMax V5's. I don't really like the look of the twist and heard they break alot but maybe that's just a few bad reviews.Canvapes don't have some models I'm interested in and prices are a bot high for me.I will probably get the Provari Zombie w/ green led lights for my main

MVP is a great choice. Most people are happy with their MVPs.

I own a bunch of eGo-C Twists and a couple of Spinners and never had a problem, but that's just me. Any battery can break/malfunction. Nature of the beast. One has to have backups for the backups--extra batteries, extra chargers...

 

[Messiahlee]

Hi Messiahlee and welcome to ECF! And thank you for the honorable mention in your OP. I'm flattered. I've been gone for a while and just saw your thread. AFAIK, Fasttech and 101Vapes sell the genuine MVPs 2. A friend ordered recently from the 101 Vapes and she's happy with her purchase. Fasttech has been pretty good with their listings--if they say that a battery is Innokin itaste, that's what it is. The only problem with FT is that some of their shipments are being stopped at customs, so be prepared for a long wait.That said, everything on your original list is top notch gear, so really you should choose what you like. I do own a ProVari and there's nothing wrong with it, believe me, but I use my Sigelei Zmax mini (stainless) all the time and I like it a lot. I actually reach for it (and for my VV eGo batteries) more often because I use a lot of eGo-threaded atomizers, and they are a PITA on my ProVari--you'll have to use a 510>eGo adapters and they are just plain awful. Happy New Year and happy shopping!

Thank you for the warm welcome and advice. I'm still not exactly sure what's a clone and what's not and hopefully mines genuine.I still don't understand enough about the smaller devices and atomizers, cartomizers, rebuilding tanks etc. So eGo is a brand, vv=variable voltage, and vw=variable wattage?I've been reading like crazy in such a short amount of time.I want to also purchase a slim/mini/compact model of something for on the go.Any suggestions?Thank you

 

[Katya]

Thank you for the warm welcome and advice. I'm still not exactly sure what's a clone and what's not and hopefully mines genuine.I still don't understand enough about the smaller devices and atomizers, cartomizers, rebuilding tanks etc. So eGo is a brand, vv=variable voltage, and vw=variable wattage?I've been reading like crazy in such a short amount of time.I want to also purchase a slim/mini/compact model of something for on the go.Any suggestions?Thank you

Ego was invented years ago by Janty. It was originally made by Joyetech (a Chinese manufacturer) but has been copied/cloned a million times since then. Right now when someone mentions an eGo, they just mean an eGo-class battery, really, not a specific manufacturer. I own a eGo-C Twist and a Vision Spinner (they are both eGo-class batteries with variable voltage). If you want a sort of eGo-class battery with both vv and vw, I recommend Innokin iTaste VV battery--they are the most advanced small-form batteries and they look great!

 

[Messiahlee]

Awesome! I think I'm going to purchase a couple iTaste VV's and ZMax V5's tonight. Could you please help guide me on accessories and where you buy your products and what would you recommend?
510 over eGo?

I'll link a list of stuff in shopping cart I've had sitting there since yesterday. I'm afraid to buy wrong things again and need professional help/advice.
Sorry for asking alot.
2-Zmax V5
4-AW-Protected-18650-2600mah
2-protank 2 someone said easier to rebuild over protank 3?waste of time?
2-iClear 30s
2-TrustFire-2-Channel-Lithium-Ion-Battery-Charger
Extra coils
1-iClear30B to try out bottom coil?

Ejuice will need to source in Canada I was told.
FastTech shipment should take a long time from what you and others are telling me.

Thank you in advance!

 

[Rickajho]

I'm pretty sure he will love Vaping and not worried about it. He chases the nicotine buz and hates the gross taste of cigarettes/smell. Hes also wanting to get back in great shape again.He's got 3 bad addictions as of now smoking, World of Warcraft, and drinks only diet drinks nothingelse(not even water). We are gonna start with the MVP2's for now and maybe the ZMax V5's. I don't really like the look of the twist and heard they break alot but maybe that's just a few bad reviews.Canvapes don't have some models I'm interested in and prices are a bot high for me.I will probably get the Provari Zombie w/ green led lights for my main

I hear your good intentions and all, but it's like saying "I'm pretty sure he will like a gift card only good for two dozen jazz tap dancing lessons." How do you know? Has he ever tried tap dancing and told you he likes it? I'm not being snarky - the same issue applies to vaping. For you as well, looking at the likes of a $200.00 USD Provari if you haven't even tried vaping.

What I'm getting at is for most people there is a certain methodology to this. The exception - not the rule - is jumping on high end mods, let alone giving them as gifts, for people that haven't even inhaled yet. You're getting blind sided by the pretties and don't even know if anyone is going to like what it actually does - let alone how it looks.

You haven't even begun to discuss the point of all this hardware - what you will be putting into it. Chasing liquids alone can be an expensive proposition, depending on how fussy - or not - both of you are. But that ProThingy is sure gonna look great, sitting there, while you are waiting on your $ixth order of liquids to show up, hoping you find something you want to vape in it.

One of the other things you said that concerns me is:

He chases the nicotine buz...

Right there is a good reason to lower your expectations - and your price point. This isn't smoking. There is no nicotine buzz here. You can do that with vaping - and usually make yourself nic OD sick in the process. That isn't pleasant. If both of you have cigarette expectations for vaping - there is another good reason not to be blowing big bucks on starter hardware. You both need to find out what vaping is and is not first. And you can do that by spending about 75% less than what you are aiming at on hardware.

Spending a pile of money on starter hardware isn't going to make this work any better if the motivation isn't there or you just don't like the experience. It can be argued that a Provari provides a better experience, but the difference between a Joyetech Twist and not getting a Provari isn't gonna be the deal breaker here on starter hardware if someone does not want to vape. Period. You know all those people with big bucks tread mills in their bedroom, that are using them to hang clothes on? Yeah - kinda like that.

Just get some reasonable hardware for your brother to try. Liquids to like are a far harder and potentially more expensive thing to locate. You can sweat spending all sorts of big bucks on hardware down the road - after you figure out if he wants to bother.

One more thing? The first one of you who loses a $200.00 PV during a night of partying in a bar is gonna be really PO'd. You also need to have something on hand you actually don't mind losing.

 

[Katya]

Awesome! I think I'm going to purchase a couple iTaste VV's and ZMax V5's tonight. Could you please help guide me on accessories and where you buy your products and what would you recommend?
510 over eGo?

I like batteries with dual eGo-510 connection like the eGos, Zmax, anything by Innokin--they are the most versatile.

I'll link a list of stuff in shopping cart I've had sitting there since yesterday. I'm afraid to buy wrong things again and need professional help/advice.
Sorry for asking alot.
2-Zmax V5

Any Sigelei Zmax (V3 and above) is good. Why do you need two of them? Don't buy the Smoktech Zmax, though. Not the same quality.

4-AW-Protected-18650-2600mah

What you want is a AW IMR safe chemistry battery (red jacket). Efest is also OK, but not as highly regarded.

2-protank 2 someone said easier to rebuild over protank 3?waste of time?

Don't bother with PT3. Period.

2-iClear 30s

It's a dual coil atomizer. Some people love them, others hate them. Just get one--for starters.

2-TrustFire-2-Channel-Lithium-Ion-Battery-Charger

NO! Don't get a Trustfire charger!!!! Get a Nitecore Intellicharge I2 or I4 or a Xtar or Pila (too expensive IMO). NOT a Trustfire!

Extra coils

Yes, but don't overdo it.

1-iClear30B to try out bottom coil?

Never tried those. Get one and let me know how it is. Or get something from the Kanger BCC (bottom changeable coil) lineup--I like their T3S, baby T3 and eVods. The T2 is a top coil--and it's nice too.

Ejuice will need to source in Canada I was told.

CanVape sells it.

FastTech shipment should take a long time from what you and others are telling me.

My orders took about two weeks, but that was before the customs crackdown.

Thank you in advance!

You're very welcome.

Have you read Bad's blog? Tons of great information there...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-carto-tank-what-guide-juice-attachments.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

 

[SirSteve]

I would skip the Vamo, I have one and while it has been good to me, they can be hit and miss.
Sigelei Zmax, I have two and they are very good units at the price point, I would recommend the Sigelei Zmax.
Innoking MVP2 and the Itaste V3, very much worth looking at. Innokin is one of a few Chinese brands that makes good stuff.
Ego VV like the Spinner, very good way to get into vaping. Stick with Joyetech, Vision, Kanger, and avoid knockoffs for trouble free use.

ProVari, if you can swing the price, best built device I have found. There are a few other well built devices in that range, but ProVari is the best known. One year warranty, can be extended to two. Also can be serviced after the warranty if needed. This is a device that will last you for the long haul.

I don't recommend mechs and rebuildables for those new to vaping.

 

[Katya]

What he said!

And now I really need to go to sleep!

 

[Messiahlee]

I hear your good intentions and all, but it's like saying "I'm pretty sure he will like a gift card only good for two dozen jazz tap dancing lessons." How do you know? Has he ever tried tap dancing and told you he like it? I'm not being snarky - the same issue applies to vaping. For you as well., looking at the likes of a $200.00 USD Provari if you haven't even tried vaping.What I'm getting at is for most people there is a certain methodology to this. The exception - not the rule - is jumping on high end mods, let alone giving them as gifts, for people that haven't even inhaled yet. You're getting blind sided by the pretties and don't even know if anyone is going to like what is actually does - let alone how it looks.You haven't even begin to discuss the point of all this hardware - what you will be putting into it. Chasing liquids alone can be an expensive proposition, depending on how fussy - or not - both of you are. But that ProThingy is sure gonna look great, sitting there, while you are waiting on your $ixth order of liquids to show up, hoping you find something you want to vape in it.Aren't you the buzzkill lol. Please don't be concerned although I appreciate it. I never lower my expectations and always aim for the sky. Vaping is gonna improve our lives lets aim for the stars.One of the other things you said that concerns me is: Right there is a good reason to lower your expectations - and your price point. This isn't smoking. There is no nicotine buzz here. You can do that with vaping - and usually make yourself nic OD sick in the process. That isn't pleasant. If both of you have cigarette expectations for vaping - there is another good reason not to be blowing big bucks on starter hardware. You both need to find out what vpaing is and is not first. And you can do that by spending about 75% less than what you are aiming at on hardware.

I'm new to this but I've tried it a few times and have tried quite a variety of different things, some in the past...To me if I'm going to try something in the beginning for a (few weeks not a 1 minute trial at the mall)its gotta be good to great quality.If I'm thinking of buying a supercar, a 1 hour test drive is not enough. I need it for a weekend to a week to fully understand the pros and cons. Is practical or just for race track? Luckily my family/friends got plenty for me to try before I bought a few.To me IMHO Vaping really reminds me of Hookah/Shisha but a cleaner version. Taste soo sweet without the crappy feeling after.Vaping to me is like Hookah for the future and now I can enjoy it even in my car or office without stinking it all up like tobacco would.Like I said I spend way too much on my hobbies and Vaping is not going to be one of them that's for sure.Edit: I actually recently purchased a treadmill the price of alot of people's cars and used it alot until my injury. It was a wonderful addition to my personal gym. So I'm not your average person who uses their low end treadmill as a coatrack. From my experience I must say, alot of people do that to their treadmill/equipment is alot of the time due to having low end stuff and thought it was gonna feel and perform like the ones at a high end gyms they pay monthly payments at. Just me 2 cents...I love/live martial arts, Speed, Cars, sport bikes, traveling, and Vaping already but I very much dislike jazz tap dancing...

 

[Messiahlee]

I like batteries with dual eGo-510 connection like the eGos, Zmax, anything by Innokin--they are the most versatile.Any Sigelei Zmax (V3 and above) is good. Why do you need two of them? Don't buy the Smoktech Zmax, though. Not the same quality.What you want is a AW IMR safe chemistry battery (red jacket). Efest is also OK, but not as highly regarded.Don't bother with PT3. Period.It's a dual coil atomizer. Some people love them, others hate them. Just get one--for starters.NO! Don't get a Trustfire charger!!!! Get a Nitecore Intellicharge I2 or I4 or a Xtar or Pila (too expensive IMO). NOT a Trustfire!Yes, but don't overdo it. Never tried those. Get one and let me know how it is. Or get something from the Kanger BCC (bottom changeable coil) lineup--I like their T3S, baby T3 and eVods. The T2 is a top coil--and it's nice too. CanVape sells it. My orders took about two weeks, but that was before the customs crackdown. You're very welcome.Have you read Bad's blog? Tons of great information there...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-carto-tank-what-guide-juice-attachments.htmlhttp://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

Katya you are AMAZINGGG!! Thank you so very much for saving me from a horrible purchase. You could have been one of those mean exp guru members and got mad and told me to Go Use the search!!(which I have been)It's still not the same as direct professional advice for my specific situation, needs, and wants.I so very much appreciate your time, expertise, and kindness.I owe you..

 

[SirSteve]

Was a thread on here about most helpful member of the year, Kayta was one those whose name popped up.

 

[Virtual Life]

I must agree with Rickajho post #65 in this thread. That is a lot of money in your list considering you haven't even tried it. You can always get the backups later, after you know it will work for ya'll, no need to stock up yet. I placed another order on day 4 of vaping without smoking. This also gives you more time to consider your options, since there are 10 trillion of them.

 

[Messiahlee]

Lol. Well I'm here to meet nice people and am on a mission to get some decent equipment ASAP. It's just the way Rick was wording things like you don't know anything and I'm the angry Vaping boss man. I love the feedback good or bad but the way he speaks it just feels too condescending to me.
I know what I'm getting myself into its not like its life or death here come on.
I appreciate everyone who is kind and helpful, just the way I am.
I'm on other forums and I will not let anyone belittle me just cause I'm new around here...
Thanks to everyone who's been very generous and helpful.

 

[Messiahlee]

I like batteries with dual eGo-510 connection like the eGos, Zmax, anything by Innokin--they are the most versatile.Any Sigelei Zmax (V3 and above) is good. Why do you need two of them? Don't buy the Smoktech Zmax, though. Not the same quality.I'm getting my brother one. I was told the same thing about the smoktech quality.What you want is a AW IMR safe chemistry battery (red jacket). Efest is also OK, but not as highly regarded.Is mah important as amp itself? I've been getting different answers for that question. 2600 mah useless?Don't bother with PT3. Period.UnderstoodIt's a dual coil atomizer. Some people love them, others hate them. Just get one--for starters.NO! Don't get a Trustfire charger!!!! Get a Nitecore Intellicharge I2 or I4 or a Xtar or Pila (too expensive IMO). NOT a Trustfire!Will do. Luckily I didn't get it or I might have ended up with burnt out expensive batteries.Yes, but don't overdo it. UnderstoodNever tried those. Get one and let me know how it is. Or get something from the Kanger BCC (bottom changeable coil) lineup--I like their T3S, baby T3 and eVods. The T2 is a top coil--and it's nice too. CanVape sells it. That's great. I've been checking Juggheads not sure of quality though.My orders took about two weeks, but that was before the customs crackdown. You're very welcome.Have you read Bad's blog? Tons of great information there...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-carto-tank-what-guide-juice-attachments.htmlhttp://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

Will read. Explaining my concerning style of life has me exhausted. Will purchase in the a.m.Any sellers you recommend?SirSteve mentioned member of the year post with your name mentioned in it.1 vote for Katya right here.Good Night

 

[aikanae1]

I got the feeling a number of people were speaking from their own experience. I'm sure your feeling a little overwhelmed by all the variations in hardware possible by now. Well the same thing can happen opening all the packages of vapemail too. You still have to know what you want to set, watts or volts or which tank works with 510, which needs an adapter and which works with the ego threading. You still have to keep track of how to fill the protank and which heads fit vs the iclear or nothing will seem like it works. Sometimes it's easier to go slower and I know I'd want to pick out my own gear.

 

[Messiahlee]

I like batteries with dual eGo-510 connection like the eGos, Zmax, anything by Innokin--they are the most versatile.Any Sigelei Zmax (V3 and above) is good. Why do you need two of them? Don't buy the Smoktech Zmax, though. Not the same quality.I'm getting my brother one also. I was told the same thing about the smoktech quality.What you want is a AW IMR safe chemistry battery (red jacket). Efest is also OK, but not as highly regarded.Is mah important as amp itself? I've been getting different answers for that question. 2600 mah useless focus on amp?Don't bother with PT3. Period.UnderstoodIt's a dual coil atomizer. Some people love them, others hate them. Just get one--for starters.NO! Don't get a Trustfire charger!!!! Get a Nitecore Intellicharge I2 or I4 or a Xtar or Pila (too expensive IMO). NOT a Trustfire!Will do. Luckily I didn't get it or I might have ended up with burnt out expensive batteries.Yes, but don't overdo it. UnderstoodNever tried those. Get one and let me know how it is. Or get something from the Kanger BCC (bottom changeable coil) lineup--I like their T3S, baby T3 and eVods. The T2 is a top coil--and it's nice too. CanVape sells it. That's great. I've been checking Juggheads not sure of quality yet though.My orders took about two weeks, but that was before the customs crackdown. You're very welcome.Have you read Bad's blog? Tons of great information there...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-carto-tank-what-guide-juice-attachments.htmlhttp://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

Will read. Explaining my concerning lifestyle has me exhausted . Will purchase in the a.m. now Everything closed anyway.Any sellers you recommend?SirSteve mentioned member of the year post with your name mentioned in it.1 vote for Katya right here.Good Night

 

[Rickajho]

Lol. Well I'm here to meet nice people and am on a mission to get some decent equipment ASAP. It's just the way Rick was wording things like you don't know anything and I'm the angry Vaping boss man. I love the feedback good or bad but the way he speaks it just feels too condescending to me.
I know what I'm getting myself into its not like its life or death here come on.
I appreciate everyone who is kind and helpful, just the way I am.
I'm on other forums and I will not let anyone belittle me just cause I'm new around here...
Thanks to everyone who's been very generous and helpful.

Virtual Life got/gets the point of where this is going for a first time purchase. You didn't. That's all. Asking for guidance - that's what you asked for. That's what you got. If you want to ignore it - so be it. Sheesh! Oh, and thanks for implying that I suck.

 

[Messiahlee]

I like batteries with dual eGo-510 connection like the eGos, Zmax, anything by Innokin--they are the most versatile.Any Sigelei Zmax (V3 and above) is good. Why do you need two of them? Don't buy the Smoktech Zmax, though. Not the same quality.I'm getting my brother one also. I was told the same thing about the smoktech quality.What you want is a AW IMR safe chemistry battery (red jacket). Efest is also OK, but not as highly regarded.Is mah important as amp itself? I've been getting different answers for that question. 2600 mah useless focus on amp?Don't bother with PT3. Period.UnderstoodIt's a dual coil atomizer. Some people love them, others hate them. Just get one--for starters.NO! Don't get a Trustfire charger!!!! Get a Nitecore Intellicharge I2 or I4 or a Xtar or Pila (too expensive IMO). NOT a Trustfire!Will do. Luckily I didn't get it or I might have ended up with burnt out expensive batteries.Yes, but don't overdo it. UnderstoodNever tried those. Get one and let me know how it is. Or get something from the Kanger BCC (bottom changeable coil) lineup--I like their T3S, baby T3 and eVods. The T2 is a top coil--and it's nice too. CanVape sells it. That's great. I've been checking Juggheads not sure of quality yet though.My orders took about two weeks, but that was before the customs crackdown. You're very welcome.Have you read Bad's blog? Tons of great information there...Will read. Explaining my concerning lifestyle has me exhausted . Will purchase in the a.m. now Everything closed anyway.Any sellers you recommend?SirSteve mentioned member of the year post with your name mentioned in it.1 vote for Katya right here.Good Night

 

[Messiahlee]

I got the feeling a number of people were speaking from their own experience. I'm sure your feeling a little overwhelmed by all the variations in hardware possible by now. Well the same thing can happen opening all the packages of vapemail too. You still have to know what you want to set, watts or volts or which tank works with 510, which needs an adapter and which works with the ego threading. You still have to keep track of how to fill the protank and which heads fit vs the iclear or nothing will seem like it works. Sometimes it's easier to go slower and I know I'd want to pick out my own gear.

Point made.I just want to have all the stuff in front of me. I'm a pretty good problem solver and I will MacGyver it if I have to lol.Thanks for your advice.I appreciate it.

 

[Messiahlee]

Was trying to fix a reply with quote with lots of answers but somehow there's 3 now. Anyone know how to fix or will need a mod to do it?
Thanks