Underage vaping (warning - rant)

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Whenever asked I use the 95% safer than cigarettes number which was given to us from the Royal College of Physicians. I find them to be a reliable source and until something or someone comes up with another reliable figure, that is what I use.

As for kids vaping, I must be in the minority as I really don't care. I mean, I do care because they are being used as the excuse du-jour to get rid of vaping. But other than that, no, I really don't care. I was young when I started smoking, drinking, and a whole lot worse back in the mid 1980's. No law was going to keep me away from it. I wish vaping was around back then as I would have saved my lungs years of tar and other chemicals associated with smoking. Just my :2c:
 

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Yes, my kid attends a public school. But like I said, I am in Asia and your idea of a public school is different from what we have here. Shielding from temptation, the school does that for me. They are not even allowed to bring cash, food and any electronic device in school, unlike in some "Americanized" country or schools. I pay the school the amount I need to pay based from my income, and everything my son needs is given to him equally and identical with those who attend that school for free or pays more than we do. So you know, it's gonna be very hard for both of us to have the same idea or opinion. We are in different worlds, but I am just sharing so no big deal, and so I welcome and understand your opinion too.
Not really. Not all the children at the school will be sheltered outside of school and will share their stories which will then be spread even more so. This a fact regardless of where you are located. If you don’t give your child the tools who are you going to trust to do so for you? Why would you put all of your trust in one basket and just close your eyes and cross your fingers?
 

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Not really. Not all the children at the school will be sheltered outside of school and will share their stories which will then be spread even more so. This a fact regardless of where you are located. If you don’t give your child the tools who are you going to trust to do so for you? Why would you put all of your trust in one basket and just close your eyes and cross your fingers?

I agree! But if the majority of the population is acting the same as you, based on culture and tradition, it's easier to predict where the threats are going to come from. As it is right now, at least from where I live, media is the biggest threat of sending the wrong message to minors. Marketing is second and irresponsible people not caring at all. That's just my personal opinion.

And who said I put all my trust in one basket? School is just a layer of many others. We started talking about school just because it was brought up. I think we are truly off topic now. But I will not leave you unanswered. ;)
 

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Some dizzyness is probably part of it, yeah. Doesn't need to be perceived as adult like though, they put booze soaked tampons up their butts and I don't think they thought their parents (or any adult) would do that :lol:

LOL That's right up there with the trifecta of stupidity! It joins some of them also playing the choking game and others riding on tops of cars and call it car surfing. (Seriously, do we need more examples of a generation just dying to thin the herd?) Can you imagine getting together with your adult friends and saying "Hey, what say we celebrate Bob's promotion by opening an 18 year old Macallan single malt, drenching some tampons and shoving them up our rectums!"
 
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I wonder if they're trying to avoid breathalyzers and/or booze breath.
(Probably won't work, BTW. The machine will still detect the booze in your system on the exhale, it gets metabolized and exhaled too. After all, it gets to the brain.

I think.)

EDIT: P.S. It also avoids the problem with the cop/parent question of "Have you been DRINKING?" and answering "No"....maybe legally. Maybe. Because literally they've been "absorbing" but they literally haven't DRANK IT.

All guesses here.
Anyway, real bad idea.
 
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I agree! But if the majority of the population is acting the same as you, based on culture and tradition, it's easier to predict where the threats are going to come from. As it is right now, at least from where I live, media is the biggest threat of sending the wrong message to minors. Marketing is second and irresponsible people not caring at all. That's just my personal opinion.

And who said I put all my trust in one basket? School is just a layer of many others. We started talking about school just because it was brought up. I think we are truly off topic now. But I will not leave you unanswered. ;)
Apologies only meant for discussion. I do not think we are far apart as you do is all.
 
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LOL That's right up there with the trifecta of stupidity! It joins some of them also playing the choking game and others riding on tops of cars and call it car surfing. (Seriously, do we need more examples of a generation just dying to thin the herd?) Can you imagine getting together with your adult friends and saying "Hey, what say we celebrate Bob's promotion by opening an 18 year old Macallan single malt, drenching some tampons and shoving them up our rectums!"
My grandfather talked about car surfing, far from a new thing.
 
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My grandfather talked about car surfing, far from a new thing.
Never actually surfed a car myself, but was inside a car or two while someone else surfed it.
We didn't call it surfing...we called it "oh $*** Ronnie wants to be riding on the roof again" or something like that. We were like "dude, you're gonna get yerself killed". One guy asked "when you die can I have your girlfriend?" Another said "screw that I want his stratacaster"....
It was about 1979 or so.
 

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Apologies only meant for discussion. I do not think we are far apart as you do is all.

It's alright you know, we are in a "rant" thread :D on how the hell minors wants vaping? No need to apologize my friend.

Going back to OP and other readers comment... Well, I also started smoking when I was 16. Didn't OP think that those minors that want his vaping gear are already using analogs? I guess the next question will be, what will you do if they are? Will you agree and offer them vape so to quit smoking? The only thing I know is I don't want to be in that situation...
 

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I was very young when I started smoking. I won't help a kid to aquire gear or juice but have had parents ask for my help. I talk to them and recommend they make their child tough out the detox but also offer alternative advice on reasonable gear. Not the 200w mod with a octo coil atty the kid wants. Helps to remind the parent that between school and home time their child probably only smokes 2-4 times a day.
 
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    If something is a natural act or not has little bearing on it being harmful or not.

    Oh but it does matter … If a person is stupid enough to perform a natural act of eating poisonous berries then they will perform the natural act of dying ….

    The "natural act" as I refer to is physiological …. It is a well known fact from about the kindergarten years that you cannot live without breathing.... Don't believe me then dive into a swimming pool and stay under water for 10 minutes without coming to the surface.... So, it is quite obvious that the human body requires air/oxygen to live and survive... Since the air you breath comes into your body and into your lungs, then it is obvious that your lungs/body are meant to breath the atmosphere (not vaper, tobacco smoke, pollutants from factories etc..) In other words, the natural order is for your lungs to breath in natural air/atmosphere... To breath in anything else is not exactly what nature intended. When the body violates the natural laws that created it, and sustains it, then it usually results in bad things occurring with health...

    Everything gets back to "common sense" that I mentioned earlier..... Eating is a "natural act" but if you are a glutton and always eat too much then it will eventually kill you..... We have to have a balance at all things we do in this life. Also, you need food to live and survive, but you certainly do not need vapor being pumped into your lungs to make you survive. You can live without vape but you can't live without nutrients/food..You can live without smoking tobacco.... You can live without recreational drugs.... In other words, common sense. People can try to justify their drug addiction, alcohol abuse, tobacco addiction, gluttony, vaping, and a whole host of other things that are none too natural for the body but what always happens is that the natural laws prevail and the person suffers the consequences.

    I am an avid believer in vaping, simply in the fact that it helps many people to get away from those nasty tobacco products, which are PROVEN killers and health destroyers... On the other hand, I in no way think vaping is TOTALLY safe due to the fact that our bodies are made to breath in natural atmosphere free of vape, pollutions/toxins, tobacco smoke or anything else man-made..... Human bodies are resilient to a certain point.. You can breath in toxins from time to time or smoke from time to time and nothing will probably ever happen negatively to your health. But on a continual basis of inhaling foreign substances that nature did not intend then chances are quite good that the outcome may be negative.

    Another thing that I notice that many people here fixate on is the organ known as the lungs …. But what about the other organs of the body? Your pancreas and liver work together to filter foreign substances from the body..... They have to filter out all of the substances you vape so what will happen to those organs in 40 years? What about the brain? The stuff you vape gets to your brain before the liver can filter it out and so in 40 years will it effect the brain in some unknown way? The simple truth is that vaping is young and there is much to be learned about long-term effects in ALL parts of the body. I am 100% for vaping especially compared to smoking but a person who is not addicted to tobacco should think carefully before they start vaping.
     

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    Oh wow, a lot of new posts. Guess we're not that close to be doomed if we still discuss what's good or bad and trying to protect our kids )

    do you seriously think that inhaling vapor all day every day for years will be totally safe?
    No, I already mentioned, I never argued on the statement that everything what's too much is bad for you, that's obvious.

    Yes, he vapes. His friend Kylie Jenner vapes, too. I would guess both have a impact on influencing teens due to their celebrity status.
    Oh, that evil Bieber! I honestly believe he is a project of the special forces of Canada to ruin the youth tastes for music and behavior. Mostly for US but UK is under fire as well. That's a Canadian response to all the jokes Americans made about them.

    There needs to be a middle road where it’s openly available to adults, and hard to obtain for kids.
    there are no good and reliable ways to stop kids from trying. They can always ask someone 21+ to buy it for them (and 100 other ways to solve the problem).

    They are not even allowed to bring cash, food and any electronic device in school, unlike in some "Americanized" country or schools.
    interesting, but where are you from exactly? N.Korea?
     

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    I am 100% for vaping especially compared to smoking but a person who is not addicted to tobacco should think carefully before they start vaping.

    That's true, but how many of the young uns out there think carefully about such things? I'm guessing most people who started smoking young, which is I'm guessing most smokers, didn't think carefully before smoking. I'm not pro-vaping for kids and I'm sure no one is BUT if those teens who would have started smoking instead start vaping I think that's better.

    Perfect world all teens (and adults for that matter) would be only letting clean air into their lungs and would consider carefully before letting anything damaging to their other organs into their body but teens are going to be teens.

    Certainly telling some teens that something is bad for them is not going to make them go "oh really? I think I'd better not drink or smoke after all, in fact I'd better go vegan to look after my cholesterol too, thanks for the info dude."
     

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    I went BASE jumping and sidecar racing earlier after frying bacon and eggs for breakfast nude.
    Think I'll do some underwater welding after I finish my Fugu & Absinthe dinner.
    Of course I'll wait 1/2 hour after eating before getting into the shark tank to weld.
    I wouldn't want to get a cramp.
    I'll talk to my wife about inviting my girlfriend in for sex before sleeping tonight.

    Currently vaping 50mg Butterscotch (w/extra diacetyl) in my Legal Vape 4000TC

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