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so where does this snus come from that everyone talks about and exactly what is it.
so where does this snus come from that everyone talks about and exactly what is it.
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unsupportive dr.... sigh
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Remember that doctors are also people. They have their own perspectives, many of which will not entirely relate to you and that is the fundamental problem with placing too much importance on what they say. I can't count on both hands and toes how many people I know who have been harmed by careless advice/information/PRESCRIPTIONS from doctors. Your doctor can be just as misinformed, misguided, or malicious as any person because he is just that: a person. I'm not saying that doctors are full of crap and shouldn't be trusted; that would be dumb for obvious reasons. Just remember they aren't robots with perfect responses. Kudos to you for trying to educate him on the matter. I'll be following your example here shortly. If you have the time or patience, educate anyone you can about this.
Don't let his negativity get you down. I can tell you as a very physically active person, I feel better after a week of vaping than I did when I quit analogs cold-turkey for 8 months (I get to keep my low stress levels without destroying my respiratory system
).Also, us Americans must realize we live in a capitalist society with capitalist ideals. Smoking generates....... a LOT of revenue for national and state governments, big-pharma, and especially big-tobacco. E-Cigs are stepping on the fiscal toes of all of them so don't be surprised when you start seeing ideals and campaigns which vilify them and, ultimately, policies passing against them (gotta love lobbyists with infinitely deep pockets!). Many doctors are on the "....-end" of paychecks and bonuses from all of these sources so naturally a lot of them have stakes in this business as well. It's up to you to determine if your doctor cares more about his patient or more about that fourth of his salary coming, directly or indirectly, from Pfizer.
Dolla-dolla bill yaaaall
I'll add one correction. It should be:
Smoking generates....... a LOT of revenue for big-pharma, big-tobacco, and especially national and state goverments.
The average state tax on a pack of cigarettes is $1.45. The national tax is $1.01 per pack. The cigarette companie make between $0.37 and $0.51 per pack.
This is why they refer to it as "practicing" medicine. They practice on us....
When I was still smoking I found most doctors oblivious of the difficulty in quitting smoking. They acted like it was and easy task, accomplished on a whim.
When I was still smoking I found most doctors oblivious of the difficulty in quitting smoking. They acted like it was and easy task, accomplished on a whim.
There is a whole subforum about it here on ecf Smokeless tobacco
It is smokeless tobacco. The swedish snus has been extensively tested, and has dropped cancer rates enormously in Sweden.
the problem is they arent allowed to even practice anymore. they may know what to do but i suspect they know it isnt going to be covered by insurance so why even go there. in most cases insurance cos are the problems not drs. but that is what happened yrs ago when they decided that insuance cos should be allowed to be for profit cos. a lot changed.
I always get this sense that Doctors take the safest 'legal' and conservative position. As if they must be careful not to say anything 'condoning' nicotine addiction.
'Ideally' you should not be addicted to nicotine. Even though you are WAY WAY improved he still can't say he approves.
I think its terrible the response you got and I was thinking the better response might be something like "Yeah.. well I must say you still ought to end the nic-addiction but I'm very happy you stopped smoking".
He hasn't said anything to come back on him later. He can't be accused of 'advising you to vape' but he is making a supportive sort of 'realistic' response.
Oh well.. you know the difference and you know your health is better now so just keep your head up and stay psyched!
I was following the patch program. I had stepped down once. But the patch started leaving a red spot on my arm in the exact shape of the patch. I called their 800 number and explained what was happening and they told me to stop using it. I was so dissapointed, I wanted to finish the program but they told me the only recommendation they could give me was to stop using it. Apparently the nicotine had built up in my system to the point I was having some sort of a reaction to it.
I also had a friend that was using the patch, and although you're not supposed to smoke when you're using the patch, he did. He went into convulsions and had to goto the hospital.
I would not recommend the patch to anyone. In my opinion one of the problems with the patch is it gives u a constant supply of nicotine. More nicotine than you actually need. With vaping you can just use it when you want it, not constantly. Also if you happen to smoke a real cigarette it won't kill you.
I also had a friend that was using the patch, and although you're not supposed to smoke when you're using the patch, he did. He went into convulsions and had to goto the hospital.
I would not recommend the patch to anyone. In my opinion one of the problems with the patch is it gives u a constant supply of nicotine. More nicotine than you actually need. With vaping you can just use it when you want it, not constantly. Also if you happen to smoke a real cigarette it won't kill you.
Patches nor Chantix nor anything else has worked for me. This discussion topic somewhat disturbed me. I'm hoping that my next visit to my doctor will have him applauding my effort. Only been vaping 5 days but 4 days without analogs. I'm thrilled. If he's not, I'll hussle back here for support!
that is complete insanity...you would think that a medical professional would research something like this and support it completely...the patch is a steaming pile of doodie, chantix bums you out, nicotine gum is a joke...if e cigarettes were never invented, I would still be smoking right now...I can't even fathom a doctor not supporting your efforts to quit...
the medical profession doesn't seem to be what it used to be...sure we have more medicine and MUCH better chances of surviving diseases that used to kill people by the millions but now we have the fda and corporate fat cats lining eachothers pockets...when you research big pharm it's really depressing...it's not all about us anymore...it's all about making as much money as possible
and of course there are still a ton of good doctors out there, who really care about their patients...but now the corporate boogie man, snake oil salesmen turned legitimate who have a ton of money, a ton of power and a ton of influence over the medical profession...it really sucks but all you have to do is be aware of it...everyone is not out to get you, but not everyone has your best interests in mind...
the medical profession doesn't seem to be what it used to be...sure we have more medicine and MUCH better chances of surviving diseases that used to kill people by the millions but now we have the fda and corporate fat cats lining eachothers pockets...when you research big pharm it's really depressing...it's not all about us anymore...it's all about making as much money as possible
and of course there are still a ton of good doctors out there, who really care about their patients...but now the corporate boogie man, snake oil salesmen turned legitimate who have a ton of money, a ton of power and a ton of influence over the medical profession...it really sucks but all you have to do is be aware of it...everyone is not out to get you, but not everyone has your best interests in mind...
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cisme congrats on the no analogs for 4 days. thats awesome. come back any time. we are here for u. support is ready and waiting.
no the medical community isnt what it ussed to be. i feel for the drs. they have the med insurance cos tieing their hands behind their back. then they have a bunch of sue happy ppl on the other end waiting to charge them with malpractice if something doesnt end up exactly the way they want. i dont envy drs. however u would think they could appreciate those of us that are trying to quit analogs
I haven't been to my Dr. since starting ecigs, but when I do I will bring up my vaping just to get her reaction. And if she's terribly against vaping I will hear her out and then switch Doctors. That simple. Unless of course she has a very very good reason.
hearing all of these success stories is quite inspiring.
i'd imagine this would be quite useful to hand to any doctor that has any qualms with people completely quitting tobacco with e-cigs. even if the user doesn't plan to stop vaping, the evidence insists that the risks involved with vaping are miniscule compared to smoking tobacco. along with pg having germicidal properties? i'll take my chances with vaping, thank you very much.
after reading that article, if your doc still insists that you quit vaping and use meds/patch/gum, call him a quack and switch to someone who actually has your best interest in mind.
i'd imagine this would be quite useful to hand to any doctor that has any qualms with people completely quitting tobacco with e-cigs. even if the user doesn't plan to stop vaping, the evidence insists that the risks involved with vaping are miniscule compared to smoking tobacco. along with pg having germicidal properties? i'll take my chances with vaping, thank you very much.
after reading that article, if your doc still insists that you quit vaping and use meds/patch/gum, call him a quack and switch to someone who actually has your best interest in mind.
Hello everyone, My Dr is who I learned about the e-cig from and a yr & 3months later still supports me. I'm very thankful she suggested as well as gave me a priscription for Chantix. Her main concern was for me to quit smoking and I believe it's important to have you Dr support you especially when it come to something like quitting smoking which we all know is very hard... Yea we've all tried the patches, gum, lozengers and if they had worked so well we would have all quit a long time ago because I know I really didn't enjoy spending my hard earned money on a pk & 1/2 at $7.56 a pack hibit. I personally started the e-cig and never looked back and it was in one of those kiosks at mall YES Smoking Everywhere that I purchased my first e-cig and what a nightmare. After taking it back every other day and surviving their liquids i started doing some research found the 510 which was the greatest thing since sliced bread E-cigs have definitely come a long way even just since a yr ago so please hang in there and after working for a "DR" for quite some time most believe they know "everything".... Also keep in mind who you're doing this for... The Doctor?
that I purchased my first e-cig and what a nightmare. After taking it back every other day and surviving their liquids i started doing some research found the 510 which was the greatest thing since sliced bread E-cigs have definitely come a long way even just since a yr ago so please hang in there and after working for a "DR" for quite some time most believe they know "everything".... Also keep in mind who you're doing this for... The Doctor?- Status
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