Unusual New Ruyan Patents ?
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If they did this right there would be nothing added to the liquid as this would just be an extraction of the full range of alkaloids found in tobacco. That's what you get when you smoke a cigarette (or use snus). A full extraction has actually been done by DVap, an ECF member. Not sure if this is what the patent is about as they only mention one alkaloid while the full range consist of a good deal more.
Some of us have been calling for a whole tobacco alkaloid liquid for some time as it would be a good deal more effective in getting people to quit smoking then the current nicotine only liquid. Hopefully DVap will spot this thread and drop in as no doubt he could give a good deal more information on what the patent is about.
As for putting us back to where we were with cigarettes, I fail to see the connection. As mentioned by Kristin, it's the smoke that kills, not the nicotine, or whole tobacco extract liquid, or even the snus.
No, it just means that you need more of the nicotine and not the other stuff. I believe Moonrose is the same as you - if she goes below 8mg she has negative effects, as well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with you and shame on the anti-tobacco crowd for making people shamed to need something to make them feel better!
That's what I was trying to say - we all got different things from tobacco/smoking, so it'll take different methods to get off the analogs. Some people will never completely get off of the nicotine without some other sort of chemical (pharmaceutical) assistance. It's just a matter of whether you want to vape, use smokeless or take a BP pill.
That's the hypocrisy of the anti-tobacco crowd. They don't care if you are dependent upon a BP pill (which probably also has side effects) for the rest of your life, so long as you're not "addicted" to nicotine. (Or enjoying yourself.)
That's what I was trying to say - we all got different things from tobacco/smoking, so it'll take different methods to get off the analogs. Some people will never completely get off of the nicotine without some other sort of chemical (pharmaceutical) assistance. It's just a matter of whether you want to vape, use smokeless or take a BP pill.
That's the hypocrisy of the anti-tobacco crowd. They don't care if you are dependent upon a BP pill (which probably also has side effects) for the rest of your life, so long as you're not "addicted" to nicotine. (Or enjoying yourself.)
No I can't go below 8mg/ml of nicotine or I start having symptoms of depression and anxiety. My sister who switched to using an e-cig can't go below 10mg/ml of nicotine or she starts having problems with her depression and anxiety as well. Hubby is holding steady at 18mg/ml of nicotine and since he has a past history of documented depression, that right now seems to be a good level for him. He's hoping that in the future he can lower his nicotine intake, but if not, that's ok too. At least our symptoms are being controlled without resorting to prescription meds with all of their side-effects.
No you are not deluded. Nicotine and chemicals derived from nicotine are being studied as treatments for depression. I've been on bupropion for about 15 years and I still need nicotine.
As for myself I hope they proceed with the lobelia version as I want a effective E-cigarette but I want to be rid of nicotine.
Having said that I do understand that most people here will prefer a nicotine version with the aspects they enjoy from tobacco.
Maybe both ?
Having said that I do understand that most people here will prefer a nicotine version with the aspects they enjoy from tobacco.
Maybe both ?
Why is it important to you "to be rid of nicotine"? Do you drink decaffeinated coffee too?
Ooh...Especially together!
But seriously, I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but why do you feel compelled to stop using nicotine? I've reduced the amount of nicotine I use, but I really don't care if I never quit using nicotine completely since it seems to help my ADHD brain to focus, and since I've already found a way to avoid smoking, I don't see any reason to avoid nicotine since the only diseases linked to nicotine are smoking related.
The application is awfully vague.
This seems to be describing a tobacco cartridge that is put in contact with a water/alcohol/glycerin/PG/etc solution to try to pull out nicotine, other alkaloids, and anything else in the tobacco that might come out.
In short, they want to patent the tobacco soak...the only thing that's remotely new would be the tobacco being soaked at time of vaping... and it would seem that Ploom has a jump on this with their tobacco/glycol capsules.
As far as extracting nicotine and some other MAOI(s) to enhance the efficacy in keeping someone off cigarettes, I've got them beat by over a year on that one, and others here and likely elsewhere are messing with similar.
Prior art seems to be present here, there, and everywhere... much of what they describe has already been done and for the same reason(s) they give in their application.
This seems to be describing a tobacco cartridge that is put in contact with a water/alcohol/glycerin/PG/etc solution to try to pull out nicotine, other alkaloids, and anything else in the tobacco that might come out.
In short, they want to patent the tobacco soak...the only thing that's remotely new would be the tobacco being soaked at time of vaping... and it would seem that Ploom has a jump on this with their tobacco/glycol capsules.
As far as extracting nicotine and some other MAOI(s) to enhance the efficacy in keeping someone off cigarettes, I've got them beat by over a year on that one, and others here and likely elsewhere are messing with similar.
Prior art seems to be present here, there, and everywhere... much of what they describe has already been done and for the same reason(s) they give in their application.
Didn't TBob get a jump on this by soaking a snus packet in a teaspoon of PG, putting the snus packet into a cartridge and then vaping? I have an NGAR and would have no trouble stuffing a snus packet in that cartridge.
yep, he sure did.
Nothing in the patent application appears either original or novel. An ultrasonic type atomizer is already covered in a previos Ruyan patent. (I think it was theirs).
Nothing in the patent application appears either original or novel. An ultrasonic type atomizer is already covered in a previos Ruyan patent. (I think it was theirs).
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The original point of this thread was these new pending patents are unusual in that they appear to be a joint venture (guessing) between Ruyan America and Nicotine Water and not the chinese inventor of the Ruyan patent.
What the relations between the parties are is still not know.
You are absolutely right, trying. The conversation had evolved toward the substance of the patents, and I had completely forgotten the text of your original post.
Obviously, my previous post was not an attempt to address either topic. Sometimes, "stream of consciousness" posts do occur.
I recieved an E-mail reply from Nicotine Water that they are indeed working with Ruyan America on E-cigarette formulations
that will comply with FDA regulations.
Nicotine Water
I tried to contact Ruyan America but their website is still down.
that will comply with FDA regulations.
Nicotine Water
I tried to contact Ruyan America but their website is still down.
And what, exactly, would those regulations be?
Afterthought: Would that be like tring to make friends with terrorists thinking you can convince them not to blow you up?
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