Unusual Problem

[Exchaner]

I have been using regular 1 ml cartomizers ever since I started vaping two years ago. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the taste over any clearomizer or tank I have tried. They tend to magnify or intensify the flavor to a level that I am not used to. Reducing the flavor has helped, but not by that much. The only other device I like is a dripper that takes two or three drops at a time - a pain in the royal behind. Part of the problem might be the flavors I am vaping - mostly tobaccos by FA and Hangsen, combined with some fruits. Has anyone had a similar experience? I am thinking of getting a Kayfun but chances are I will encounter the same problem there as well. Solutions/opinions anyone? Thanks and happy new year to all.

 

[Rin13]

If you're DIY'ing your liquids, have you tried lowering your percentages? (flavor percentages) Clearomizers tend to dilute the flavors to an extent compared to certain tanks. If the flavors are too strong, that diluting is a good thing which can be why it tastes better in the carto compared to the tank. If you haven't tried lowering the percentages I would start there. Flavour Art is pretty strong. I use all of mine at 2% or lower. Some are even too strong at half of a percent. A Kayfun is a flavor chasing device so if you're already getting too intense of a flavor, it would only exacerbate the problem.

 

[JD1]

What cartos are you using and at what ohms and what batteries? For me, cartomizers tend to mute the taste, as Rin13 mentioned. But anyways, if you like dripping, I'd think you'd enjoy one of the newer kayfun type devices, if you're willing to coil your own coils.

 

[Exchaner]

Thanks guys. The cartos I am using are 2.8 ohms with battery at 3.8 to 4.2 volts. I lowered my % flavor from 2% to 1.8 %, and like I said, it helped some but not enough. The flavor is just not the same with a clearo - and BTW, I am using a clearo with the exact same ohms as the carto's. As for Kayfun, like Lin mentioned, it's for chasing flavors, but I am willing to try. Is there a new version beyond Kayfun Light V2?

 

[glasseye]

Have you tried a Nautilus mini with BVC coil? It was recommended to me for my son who is a total carto guy and has hated everything else he's tried as far as taste goes, he just loves his cartos. 1.7Ω single coil to be exact. I got him a Nautilus mini for Christmas and he loves it. They don't actually hold a lot of liquid, but more than 1ml. 2 or 2.5ml I think. The heads are 1.8Ω so they might be too much of a difference?

 

[JD1]

Thanks guys. The cartos I am using are 2.8 ohms with battery at 3.8 to 4.2 volts. I lowered my % flavor from 2% to 1.8 %, and like I said, it helped some but not enough. The flavor is just not the same with a clearo - and BTW, I am using a clearo with the exact same ohms as the carto's. As for Kayfun, like Lin mentioned, it's for chasing flavors, but I am willing to try. Is there a new version beyond Kayfun Light V2?

It seems every body and their brother is making some sort of variation of the kayfun type design. The problem is, they don't all perform the same. I think a good KFL V2 clone is still a good choice though. That's what I have and I love mine, even though I seldom vape them any more. I have two of the 1:1 Veritas clones from FT and that's about all I vape on anymore. But, that's not to say they're that much better than my funalikes. The vape is very very slightly warmer from a Veritas because the coil is closer to my mouth, but that's about it.

Also, glasseye may have a very good suggestion with the Nautilus. It's getting a lot of rave reviews for flavor. Take your time and do your research. I'm sure there's something that will suit you just fine.

 

[Exchaner]

Thanks again guys, I will check out both the BVC and the Veritas. Is the BVC similar to Kanger T3S bottom coil? If so, I Will bring it out of storage and give it another shot.

 

[AndriaD]

I know what you mean about how a carto tends to "blunt" or "smooth" flavors; for quite a while I was forced to use a cartotank for my favorite blueberry muffin, because it just didn't taste good from a kayfun; the kayfun made the flavor seem too sharp. I'm slowly getting past that, but it's taken quite a while, and probably only from fiddling around with my recipe. However the tobacco flavor I used to vape, Virginia, was too mild, too bland, from a carto, but terrific in a kayfun. It really depends a lot on the juice, I think, and of course individual taste, as to which device is better for which juices.

Andria

 

[towelie]

You could try a dripper that holds more than 2 or 3 drops, like the Magma. Its all about the flavor and a semi pro chucker too.

 

[Exchaner]

Yeah Andria, Virginia is the only flavor that I also find tastes better in a clearo/tank rather than a carto - precisely for the same reason you stated. Are you saying you initially didn't care for the Kayfun but gradually got used to it in time? Perhaps that's what I need, time.

 

[Exchaner]

You could try a dripper that holds more than 2 or 3 drops, like the Magma. Its all about the flavor and a semi pro chucker too.

I will look into that as well. BTW how is a dripper different from a Kayfun? Aren't they both drippers? Sorry for the newbie question.

 

[AndriaD]

Yeah Andria, Virginia is the only flavor that I also find tastes better in a clearo/tank rather than a carto - precisely for the same reason you stated. Are you saying you initially didn't care for the Kayfun but gradually got used to it in time? Perhaps that's what I need, time.

Well no, because when I first got the Kayfun, that Virginia was pretty much my exclusive vape, so as far as I was concerned, the Kayfun rocked. It was only when I switched my affections to the Blueberry Muffin as my ADV that I became aware that in the Kayfun, I really didn't like it at all -- it was great in smaller clearos, like the ones at the vape shop, so I thought hmm, the Kayfun is supposed to deliver really *clear* taste, so maybe I need something without that kind of extreme clarity -- so I tried it in a carto, and bang, just as great as at the vape shop. I also tried it in my old Mini PT II, and it tasted ok, but it gunked the coil so fast, it wasn't worth it. Carto life with it was a little better, so I stuck with that.

Lately I've been playing with the recipe for the blueberry muffin/banana nut bread recipe, and I can now just about tolerate it in a kayfun, though the banana flavor comes thru too heavily, so I can reduce that. So time does play some role, in what you get used to -- the reason I was trying it again in the Kayfun is because lately it seems hard to taste, in a cartotank, probably because I'm also vaping this strawberries n cream DIY I made, which is *extremely* sweet, and vaping that in a kayfun, and that flavor is so much stronger, I get to where I can barely taste the blueberry mix at all. I'm moving more and more to "total DIY", other than the WTA, so I fiddle and fiddle with the recipe, and I think I've just about gotten the blueberry vape to something I can enjoy from a Kayfun -- I hope so, because using organic cotton balls for wicking is a helluva lot cheaper than cartos!

The main thing is that a Kayfun really does deliver *clear* taste -- and if there are notes in any given juice that you don't care for too much, they show up much more clearly in a Kayfun, or really in any rebuildable, than in any other type of atty. Since you DIY, you may be able to fiddle and fiddle as I'm doing, to get the exact taste you want -- because from a Kayfun you can REALLY taste it!

Andria

 

[Train2]

You could try a quality cartomizer tank - personally, I still like them.
Get your preferred carto with holes punched (or get a hole-puncher) and slide one into a tank. The cheapest GOOD ones are probably IBTanked, for like $25.

Or ELSE, you could take the big jump, and get a REO.
A REO is an indestructable little box that holds your battery and a bottle of juice, and the topper screws on top. You can just put your cartomizer on it, or you can also get a "bottom feed dripper" for it. It's like dripping without having to drip...

Tons of friendly REO fans over here if you're interested and have questions...
You squeeze the bottle, and the juice "reloads" your cartomizer.

I have been using regular 1 ml cartomizers ever since I started vaping two years ago. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the taste over any clearomizer or tank I have tried. They tend to magnify or intensify the flavor to a level that I am not used to. Reducing the flavor has helped, but not by that much. The only other device I like is a dripper that takes two or three drops at a time - a pain in the royal behind. Part of the problem might be the flavors I am vaping - mostly tobaccos by FA and Hangsen, combined with some fruits. Has anyone had a similar experience? I am thinking of getting a Kayfun but chances are I will encounter the same problem there as well. Solutions/opinions anyone? Thanks and happy new year to all.

 

[Train2]

The Kayfun is a RTA (rebuildable TANK atomizer). You need to "rebuild" - make your own coils and wick them, like you would a dripper, but you don't have to drip - you fill up a tank.

I will look into that as well. BTW how is a dripper different from a Kayfun? Aren't they both drippers? Sorry for the newbie question.

 

[AndriaD]

Actually, I thought you meant a cartotank. There are much cheaper alternatives to IBtanked -- Vapor Kings has all the Smok cartotanks for $6. I have a Smok UDCT (though I buy single coil cartos to put in it), and it's terrific.

Andria

 

[Rickajho]

Yeah Andria, Virginia is the only flavor that I also find tastes better in a clearo/tank rather than a carto - precisely for the same reason you stated. Are you saying you initially didn't care for the Kayfun but gradually got used to it in time? Perhaps that's what I need, time.

If this is a question of more convenience - why not just use a carto tank?

 

[sketchness]

This is kind of the opposite of questions that are often asked

As far as muting flavors goes. The best so far at really lousing up flavor for me has been the Freakshow. It is a quality product that produces billowy clouds but the flavor is super muted. You can of course tone down the clouds with different coil builds or Air Flow control. But it definately tones the flavor way down to me. In so doing you certainly catch flavor aspects that might be lost with a different RDA. And it is cheap for an authentic. Everyone says it is a flavor chaser RDA but I really can't figure out how anyone would think such a thing.

I have the Veritas clone from fasttech and I think it is a piece of trash. Airflow is awful and it is a PITA to build. Although coming from cartos the airflow could be just fine for you.

 

[cocacola31173]

From a carto tank lover like myself I def recommend a Kayfun Lite by Ehpro! They are 30 dollars but worth it. I love how you can tighten the draw to mimic a cartomizer.

But I still keep one of my carto tanks around for my caramel apple. It just tastes better in it.

 

[glasseye]

Thanks again guys, I will check out both the BVC and the Veritas. Is the BVC similar to Kanger T3S bottom coil? If so, I Will bring it out of storage and give it another shot.

No, not at all alike, to me anyway. The Bottom Vertical Coil is very similar to a single coil carto.

 

[Exchaner]

If this is a question of more convenience - why not just use a carto tank?

Good point, but how long does the carto last inside the tank? If I recall correctly, they cost $6 each, and I had to toss them after 3 or 4 fillings.