This assumes that we are actually responsible for our actions......
Which is not in the current Legislative agenda.
If this is irony then I approve. However, the responsibility of a person for their actions surely underpins most legislation?
This assumes that we are actually responsible for our actions......
Which is not in the current Legislative agenda.
Hmm. I normally subscribe to the view that we should act responsibly and keep dangerous things out of the reach of children. This goes all the way from guns and knives through to household bleach, butane canisters, and indeed cigarettes. Dangers lurk everywhere for kids - but does that mean that we should cover all unused power sockets to prevent them from putting scissors in them? Should all kitchen cupboards be padlocked? The cat declawed?
Once we get past "don't leave dangerous stuff (including eliquid) lying around" I'm not sure what more people can or should do.
Not quite sure what you mean - forgive me. I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of selling e-liquid with child-resistant caps on bottles, but there may be many adults with arthritic fingers who disagree with that statement. If they transfer the liquid to an easy-open bottle would that make them negligent? Probably not - unless they then gave the bottle to a child to play with. Which would be quite unforgivable imho.
Why would you assume that there wasn't a linear response? It would seem linear response would be the most likely candidate in the absence of any mechanism which would make a difference. Just curious.
It kinda ties into the 1st line in Post #20.
I'm not crazy about Child Resistant Containers. But see them as doing Some Good. And (probably more so) a function of the type of Society we live in when it comes to Legal Litigation.
When I was at ECC 2014, I was Pleasantly surprised to see how many e-Liquid vendors were making an Attempt to package their products in some sort of CRP.
I actually think that labelling is more important than child resistance.
2 reasons - child resistance is:
a. Exactly that - resistance, not "proofing". I.e. - it buys parents time, but not certainty
b. Dependent on the user replacing the top.
The main thing is to ensure that people know that e-liquid can be dangerous to children.
Something about this story still seems fishy..
Found the quote below in an article by Jacques Le Houezec
The drag on e-cigarettes | Le Houezec Jacques | The Jordan Times
"After reviewing case reports of nicotine intoxications and suicide attempts, the pharmacologist Bernd Mayer found that the lethal dose of nicotine in humans must be somewhere between 500-1,000 mg of absorbed not just ingested nicotine.
Given that one of the first symptoms of intoxication is vomiting, and that 70 per cent of the remaining nicotine in the digestive tract is metabolised by the liver before it reaches other organs, absorbing that much nicotine is not easy."
in was just thinking along these lines.its the amount that gets into the blood stream that counts.
here's another source discussing what the actual toxitity of nicotine should be.
Nicotine Poisoning: How Much E-Liquid Does It Take? | Cig Buyer.com
if these sources are correct even a toddler would have to drink a quantity of juice
over a period of time for the dose to be lethal.
regards
mike
Many Small Children who ingest a Poison don't actually die from the Toxicity of the Poison. But Choke on their own Vomit trying to expel the poison. This might have been what happened in this Case. And it Might Not have also.
I have found the Verifiable facts in this Tragic incident to be Sketchy at best. And it seems that there is Much More that we Don't Know. Than what we Do.
you and i are thinking along the same lines.
the total lack of a media three ring circus tends
to point to the fact that perhaps the media is
privy to information we are not.
regards
mike
interesting discussions howeveri called the local PD yesterday.There are rumors on social media than "nicotine poisoning has been ruled out as cause of death."
https://twitter.com/BaughmanGreg/status/550033701921648642
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_64llIt32lZ/
Waiting for confirmation from PD
Own comment: May be related to pesticide poisoning. Symptoms of (some) pesticide poisoning (e.g. organophosphates, carbamates, etc.) can easily be mistaken for nicotine poisoning by prejudiced healthcare staff.