If this is irony then I approve. However, the responsibility of a person for their actions surely underpins most legislation?
Update:ny child dies of nicotine poisoning.
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If this is irony then I approve. However, the responsibility of a person for their actions surely underpins most legislation?
Yes, BUT.....
To what extent is the danger of nicotine in e-liquid to children known? It's almost never stated prominently on bottles, and we, as users, tend to be quite blase about it - noting that we have considerable tolerance to it from prior smoking.
To what extent is the danger of nicotine in e-liquid to children known? It's almost never stated prominently on bottles, and we, as users, tend to be quite blase about it - noting that we have considerable tolerance to it from prior smoking.
It kinda ties into the 1st line in Post #20.
I'm not crazy about Child Resistant Containers. But see them as doing Some Good. And (probably more so) a function of the type of Society we live in when it comes to Legal Litigation.
When I was at ECC 2014, I was Pleasantly surprised to see how many e-Liquid vendors were making an Attempt to package their products in some sort of CRP.
Well, this is entirely precautionary on my part. Noting that I have two small children, if either of them were to come into even the tiniest of contact with e-liquid I would thoroughly clean them immediately. Assuming that they could be susceptible to it in a non-linear fashion seems completely reasonable.
On a more objective level (and noting that I have no medical training) I think what I'm saying is: "don't assume linearity" rather than "assume nonlinearity".
Note that tolerance is also likely to be important.
I actually think that labelling is more important than child resistance.
2 reasons - child resistance is:
a. Exactly that - resistance, not "proofing". I.e. - it buys parents time, but not certainty
b. Dependent on the user replacing the top.
The main thing is to ensure that people know that e-liquid can be dangerous to children.
2 reasons - child resistance is:
a. Exactly that - resistance, not "proofing". I.e. - it buys parents time, but not certainty
b. Dependent on the user replacing the top.
The main thing is to ensure that people know that e-liquid can be dangerous to children.
I am currently working with a container Manufacture on Non-eLiquid containers that must have Child Resistant Caps/Closures. Everything in this line must be ASTM D3475 CRP Certified.
There is a Joke when it comes to Child Proof Caps/Closures. And that is the ONLY way to make a Cap/Closure Child Proof is to make it Adult Proof.
As you mentioned, all that a Child Resistant Cap/Closure does is Limit the percentage of Children who can open a container in a given amount of time. Because given Enough time, even ASTM D3475 CRP Certified containers can be opened by Many Children.
I couldn't agree more with your View that More Information needs to Presented as to the Potential Dangers of a Child ingesting an e-Liquid that contains Nicotine.
Something about this story still seems fishy..
Found the quote below in an article by Jacques Le Houezec
The drag on e-cigarettes | Le Houezec Jacques | The Jordan Times
"After reviewing case reports of nicotine intoxications and suicide attempts, the pharmacologist Bernd Mayer found that the lethal dose of nicotine in humans must be somewhere between 500-1,000 mg of absorbed — not just ingested — nicotine.
Given that one of the first symptoms of intoxication is vomiting, and that 70 per cent of the remaining nicotine in the digestive tract is metabolised by the liver before it reaches other organs, absorbing that much nicotine is not easy."
Found the quote below in an article by Jacques Le Houezec
The drag on e-cigarettes | Le Houezec Jacques | The Jordan Times
"After reviewing case reports of nicotine intoxications and suicide attempts, the pharmacologist Bernd Mayer found that the lethal dose of nicotine in humans must be somewhere between 500-1,000 mg of absorbed — not just ingested — nicotine.
Given that one of the first symptoms of intoxication is vomiting, and that 70 per cent of the remaining nicotine in the digestive tract is metabolised by the liver before it reaches other organs, absorbing that much nicotine is not easy."
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this 'reporting' was found to be a load of BS right from the start, though we'll never hear about that. It's very sad when a child dies for any reason, but I'd wager it actually had nothing at all to do with anything vape-related, unless it was intentional, other than the initial "reporting".
With what I pointed out in the other thread on fine motor skills, I'm 95% certain that the bottle was left open - iow, no child proof capping would have avoided this sad result. The report that 'no child proof cap was on the bottle' can mean a few things. That the bottle had no cap. That the bottle had a child proof cap but it wasn't on the bottle. That there was a non-child proof cap that wasn't on the bottle.
in was just thinking along these lines.its the amount that gets into the blood stream that counts.
here's another source discussing what the actual toxitity of nicotine should be.
Nicotine Poisoning: How Much E-Liquid Does It Take? | Cig Buyer.com
if these sources are correct even a toddler would have to drink a quantity of juice
over a period of time for the dose to be lethal.
regards
mike
Many Small Children who ingest a Poison don't actually die from the Toxicity of the Poison. But Choke on their own Vomit trying to expel the poison. This might have been what happened in this Case. And it Might Not have also.
I have found the Verifiable facts in this Tragic incident to be Sketchy at best. And it seems that there is Much More that we Don't Know. Than what we Do.
Personally,
I think if a parent cant keep poisons "out of reach of children" incidents like this warrant a charge of "Criminally Stupid" on the parents.
There should also be a sign permanently attached to their forehead "Too stupid to pro-create."
Now, I feel for the little kid that died....
But even the Gubbermint cant fix stupid and they cant legislate it out of existence.
I think if a parent cant keep poisons "out of reach of children" incidents like this warrant a charge of "Criminally Stupid" on the parents.
There should also be a sign permanently attached to their forehead "Too stupid to pro-create."
Now, I feel for the little kid that died....
But even the Gubbermint cant fix stupid and they cant legislate it out of existence.
you and i are thinking along the same lines.
the total lack of a media three ring circus tends
to point to the fact that perhaps the media is
privy to information we are not.
regards
mike
If the Media merely Reported News, things would be Simpler.
But many News Organization are in the business of "Making News". Or using "News" to promote an Agenda.
Do you remember when MH370 first went down? And CNN broached the Question could have Li-Ion Batteries in the Cargo area were the cause. Complete with a Computer Graphic of Wooden Create with "e-Cigarette Batteries" stenciled on the front.
We may Never know all the Details of how this Child Died. Or if it was Easily Preventable.
And the Bill that was list in Post #6 is perhaps just part of what the FDA was going to give to Congress next year. But the Bills author wanted to Fast Track Packaging Regulations. And Neatly wants to take the Credit for doing so.
There are rumors on social media than "nicotine poisoning has been ruled out as cause of death."
https://twitter.com/BaughmanGreg/status/550033701921648642
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_64llIt32lZ/
Waiting for confirmation from PD
Own comment: May be related to pesticide poisoning. Symptoms of (some) pesticide poisoning (e.g. organophosphates, carbamates, etc.) can easily be mistaken for nicotine poisoning by prejudiced healthcare staff.
https://twitter.com/BaughmanGreg/status/550033701921648642
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_64llIt32lZ/
Waiting for confirmation from PD
Own comment: May be related to pesticide poisoning. Symptoms of (some) pesticide poisoning (e.g. organophosphates, carbamates, etc.) can easily be mistaken for nicotine poisoning by prejudiced healthcare staff.
interesting discussions howeveri called the local PD yesterday.
the coroners preliminary report indicates
nic poisoning.
regards
mike
Childproof Your Home for Poisons - Online Medical Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center
Google search has hundreds of hits this is just one of them.....
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Google search has hundreds of hits this is just one of them.....
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