US shipping cutoff dates - USPS, Fedex & UPS

[Hulamoon]

Hmm, is my thinking incorrect here? ... UPS, Fedex, DHL, US gumps in congress, whoever they are, can choose what can be carried within the USA, but those laws don't extend to ChinaPost, or UK post (don't get excited though, UK gumps in gvt are working on it) while the US carriers can't open up packages to determine what is in them, before doing us the "honor" of actually delivering them like they're paid to do.......(yet).....As far as I can tell, neither can customs as the idiot-ban applies only to US carriers?

 

[Taberu]

Isn’t UPS and FedEx only voluntary?
Does the vendor still get in trouble if caught, when using UPS/FedEx?

 

[Territoo]

Hmm, is my thinking incorrect here? ... UPS, Fedex, DHL, US gumps in congress, whoever they are, can choose what can be carried within the USA, but those laws don't extend to ChinaPost, or UK post (don't get excited though, UK gumps in gvt are working on it) while the US carriers can't open up packages to determine what is in them, before doing us the "honor" of actually delivering them like they're paid to do.......(yet).....As far as I can tell, neither can customs as the idiot-ban applies only to US carriers?

Customs always had the right to open packages being imported. In fact, they do so on a regular basis. I'm not sure about domestic mail. I think there would need to be a reasonable suspicion and a warrant, but that's my guess. The private carriers may have a disclaimer in their fine print that permits them to inspect the contents. Who reads the fine print?

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Does the vendor still get in trouble if caught, when using UPS/FedEx?

Y'know. That's a good question.
Is it actually illegal to ship vape B2C?
Or just illegal to delivery it without proper procedure?

FedEx/UPS will not create a shipping account with you as a vape retailer, but who says you're a vape retailer?

NedsNiftyNovelties.com

However it's all for nothing if you're shipping non-PMTA approved (aka illegal0 tobacco products. Then it's illegal.

 

[K9Luvr]

Just got an email from Vappora.com with this info

“In addition, Kangertech just informed us that the leading carriers (DHL, FedEx, and UPS) are also voluntarily banning international shipments to the US of vaping products in the near future. So even sourcing hardware products will also be challenging, if not impossible.”

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Customs always had the right to open packages being imported. In fact, they do so on a regular basis. I'm not sure about domestic mail. I think there would need to be a reasonable suspicion and a warrant, but that's my guess.

Only time I know of for sure that USPS can and has open packages is if you are shipping something illegal or you are shipping something via a service against the rules (example: you are shipping something via USPS Media Mail which they suspect is not defined as media my the USPS - I have had this happen to me).

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Just got an email from Vapora.com with this info

“In addition, Kangertech just informed us that the leading carriers (DHL, FedEx, and UPS) are also voluntarily banning international shipments to the US of vaping products in the near future. So even sourcing hardware products will also be challenging, if not impossible.”

Went to Vapora.com and it doesn't seem to be a vape site, not even a US site. Also found Vapora.com.au but that's Australia, so how does this affect them?

 

[Hulamoon]

Just got an email from Vapora.com with this info

“In addition, Kangertech just informed us that the leading carriers (DHL, FedEx, and UPS) are also voluntarily banning international shipments to the US of vaping products in the near future. So even sourcing hardware products will also be challenging, if not impossible.”

That's why I'm not in politics I guess. I try to get into my sneakiest attack mode, but they're just so much better at it than I am. Buggeration.

 

[K9Luvr]

Went to Vapora.com and it doesn't seem to be a vape site, not even a US site. Also found Vapora.com.au but that's Australia, so how does this affect them?

sorry, left out a “p”, vappora.com

 

[Taberu]

Y'know. That's a good question.
Is it actually illegal to ship vape B2C?

Yeah... that's what I wanna know... is it only illegal for USPS?

Who gets in trouble when it's via USPS? The vendor, USPS or both? By the ATF or government or by law?

Who gets in trouble when it's via FedEx/UPS/DHL? The vendor, those shippers or both? By the government or by law? ....or, do the vendors only get in trouble with FedEx/UPS/DHL themselves and only risk having their accounts suspended? (which isn't a huge deal, as compared to "crime" by the govt.)

If the vendors can't get in "real" trouble by using FedEx/UPS/DHL, then can't they just change up their business a bit, include a lot of non-vape products, have a non-vape business-name and add more non-vape customer demographic? ...then continue to use FedEx/UPS/DHL and have accounts with them?

 

[Ed Brown]

Sounds like we're in the negotiation stage of the grieving process.

 

[Myrany]

Sounds like we're in the negotiation stage of the grieving process.

I am in the ...... to high hell while at the same time certain that if the mail ban doesn't kill the industry PMTA will in the fall stage.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Here's an email Eightvape just sent out. I thought tobacco deliveries were required to be sent not only required to be delivered with adult 21+ signature required, but also that the person signing for the package must be the adult that it is addressed to? But I don't know anymore. I've read so many things that I don't know which way is up or down anymore.

Here's the email:

After the surprising news of the amendments to the PACT act, we’re happy to announce that we’ve secured alternative carrier solutions for order shipments, and will continue servicing most of our customers in the continental U.S. We’re utilizing a network of local and regional carriers to ensure that packages arrive quickly, and in compliance with all state and federal laws.

Beginning March 15, 2021, some states will be activated in our network, and must use our single shipping option at checkout. Over the next two months, we’ll roll out this network to cover customers in all states, and make our single shipping option available to everyone. We’re planning to expand carrier selection in the future so customers have more shipping options to choose from. All packages will be Adult Signature Required parcels (21+), and MUST be signed for. Drop-off not available.

Because of this, we’re urging you to send vape mail to your places of work, so it’s easier to receive a package during the day. Or if someone is at home during the day, they can sign for the package. The signee does not have to be the recipient of the package, but only an adult who lives or works at the shipping address.

We’ll continue to provide tracking for your packages so you know when to expect your mail.

At this time, we cannot guarantee service to customers in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico because of the unavailability of air coverage, and will stop shipping to these states on April 15, 2021. However, we’re committed to pursuing solutions that will give us reach in these areas.

We look forward to providing fast, affordable shipping as the year continues. Thank you!

Sincerely,
Eightvape Team​

 

[Taberu]

If vaping is completely eradicated, it will bite the anti-vape-people in the end - everyone will be chain smoking, outdoor malls will be full of smokers, outdoor patios of restaurants will be full of smokers, every front door entrance to a business will have smokers, their next-door neighbors will be blowing smoke into their houses and their children will be smokers, etc., etc. Smoking galore!

It is then, when I will laugh.

 

[Vandal]

If vaping is completely eradicated, it will bite the anti-vape-people in the end - everyone will be chain smoking, outdoor malls will be full of smokers, outdoor patios of restaurants will be full of smokers, every front door entrance to a business will have smokers, their next-door neighbors will be blowing smoke into their houses and their children will be smokers, etc., etc. Smoking galore!

It is then, when I will laugh.

The tobacco tax collector's and cancer treatment center's dream come true... Which may be the whole point, right?

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

It is then, when I will laugh.

I won't be laughing because I can't take the suffocating and nauseating smell of it anymore.

I want to go into a local cigarette shop who also has a separate vape shop off to the side just to see what they're carrying these days and what they're charging. But I can't bring myself to do it because they all smoke in there and I just. can't. take. it!

 

[440BB]

Chantix, Nicorette gum, nicotine patch and cigarette sales are looking up next quarter. Cancer treatment revenue should be propped up too. The threat of ecigs has been squashed pretty well.

 

[Taberu]

The tobacco tax collector's and cancer treatment center's dream come true... Which may be the whole point, right?

Yes, I thought of that too. Yes, true and cannot be helped (they win). But, just as long as it personally bothers them too and affect their lives too in the end.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Chantix, Nicorette gum, nicotine patch and cigarette sales are looking up next quarter.

Got some ticker symbols?

 

[440BB]

Got some ticker symbols?

Just an educated guess.