They ship with sig required but some mail carriers just sign for you. I am not complaining cause I would rather not have to go to the PO to retrieve packages if I don't hear the carrier.
US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL
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I think the signature fee thing is ridiculous right now....with covid almost anything that requires a signature the person doing the delivery just signs it (a lot of times, they'll ask first before doing it)
so until covid is done with I think the signature fee should be waved, it's not like most of these companies haven't already verified your info before the purchase.
just my 2 cents worth anyways.
so until covid is done with I think the signature fee should be waved, it's not like most of these companies haven't already verified your info before the purchase.
just my 2 cents worth anyways.
Some state employee's pension fund.
My sourcemore package has made it to Grand Prairie, Texas. Who knows how long it will sit there until it shows up in my mailbox? That's the next movement I'll see from it. USPS won't track it once they take control of it in GP.
I always dread when one of my packages hits Grand Prairie. It is like the last black hole before things come here for me. I have had packages sit there for 10 days before. I thought it was just me that wondered about that stop. LOL
I had a signature required package (non-vape purchase) delivered yesterday. FedEx guy made me sign for it myself. That was a first.
got 3 vape packages today. no signature, just left on front porch. that's 3x$7 that is just lost in the wind i guess.
"Lets say we're gonna ban it but don't. Spook 'em into paying 5 bucks extra a package."
Prolly not how it happened but it's how it turned out.
Prolly not how it happened but it's how it turned out.
While adult signature is a pain in the patootie its a PACT act requirement all online vape shops have to do to be compliant. USPS fee for adult signature is $6.90 and most shops are charging less ($5.00) so no way are shops are making money on this, only the post office is. It also requires photo ID to be shown along with a signature so this is on the postal delivery person if they do neither, they get paid either way.
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But I would Pay 7 Bucks Extra on Every shipment if the USPS would continue to Ship Hardware.
But I would Pay 7 Bucks Extra on Every shipment if the USPS would continue to Ship Hardware.
That's really the way this should have gone down, adult products requiring adult signature. They should have just smacked us the end/buying consumers with adult signature required on vape deliveries BUT Noooooo they had to smack and stomp on all of us (PACT ACT+ USPS VAPE SHIPPING BAN) The PACT act compliance alone drove most smaller shops offline.
I see the logic. But after vapor taxes for states that have one, it can get expensive. Then you throw in the reporting of my purchase data to the feds (IIUC) and I'm out. But that's just me. Glad I'm stocked. Sorry to say, but as long as China is a viable option, that's where all my purchases will be from here on out.
Someone reported the other day that they bought a liter of nic and their state's 9 cent per ml vapor tax came to $90, which was a lot more than the nic itself (presumably they bought the $65 nic a MFS).
I understand something is better than nothing, though. So it's a good thing if you don't care about buyer privacy.
Is that really a thing, buyer privacy, anymore? I swear anytime I buy anything online I get a million like ads... I assume big brother is watching too
I always thought that Nicotine thru the Mail was going to be Something that was Quashed. And to be Honest, I'm Surprised we were able to go as Long as we did.
But Hardware is Different. Because it can be used for Other Non-Nicotine Markets. And that is what the USPS Delayed Action is All About.
You're probably right. But when I know for a fact that big brother wants my data.....I'm out. I got nothing to hide, I just don't like Big Brother.
Really, is that what the delay is all about? Got a source? Does the USPS have the ability to go against laws that congress passes and El Big Cheifo signs? Verbiage of passed bill clearly states they don't care what is vaped ("other substance").
Yeah... That's Really the Reason. Because the 420/CBD Crowd is Fighting Tooth n' Nail that there was No Intent by Congress to Restrict their Products. Which there Really Wasn't.
Think about it, if All the USPS had to do was to Ban Everything, what would be the Need for Delay? They would just Publish the Rule and its Miller Time.
But things are Seldom so Simply when you get Outside the Beltway and their Simplified way of thinking. Or, more Precisely, Lack of Thinking.
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I never saw this mentioned before. Last I heard in this thread, USPS spokesperson is basically saying that final rule has not dropped because of lack of time/resources.
The U.S. Postal Service is delaying a ban on sending vape products in the mail, saying the agency needs more time to review how to implement the changes ordered by Congress.
The ban was supposed to take effect Monday and apply to all vape companies, even those shipping products without nicotine.
A number of hemp and marijuana vape operators have said the change will severely harm their businesses.
The ban was adopted late last year to reduce access to vape products and could eliminate direct-to-consumer vape shipping.
But a Postal Service spokesman told MJBizDaily Monday that USPS isn’t yet ready to implement the final rule.
“Despite our best efforts, in order to ensure thorough and thoughtful consideration of the complex issues and voluminous comments by industry, individual, and governmental stakeholders, the Postal Service is unable to publish a final rule by today’s target date,” spokesman David P. Coleman said in an email.
Coleman said the USPS would finalize the rule “as soon as possible.”
“Mailers should be prepared for implementation upon publication anytime,” he said.
MJBizdaily
Also, as far as I know, USPS doesn't ban anything because USPS doesn't make postal laws - it all goes through Congress.The ban was supposed to take effect Monday and apply to all vape companies, even those shipping products without nicotine.
A number of hemp and marijuana vape operators have said the change will severely harm their businesses.
The ban was adopted late last year to reduce access to vape products and could eliminate direct-to-consumer vape shipping.
But a Postal Service spokesman told MJBizDaily Monday that USPS isn’t yet ready to implement the final rule.
“Despite our best efforts, in order to ensure thorough and thoughtful consideration of the complex issues and voluminous comments by industry, individual, and governmental stakeholders, the Postal Service is unable to publish a final rule by today’s target date,” spokesman David P. Coleman said in an email.
Coleman said the USPS would finalize the rule “as soon as possible.”
“Mailers should be prepared for implementation upon publication anytime,” he said.
MJBizdaily
in a word ...
Pretty much sums it up:
PACT Act Update: USPS Delays Ban On Mailing Vape Products - The Fresh Toast
A small snip from the article but a powerful argument by the other vaping industry....
"The inclusion of the term “other substances” in the PACT Act definition of ENDS was likely intended by its drafters to capture formulations of e-liquids containing tobacco or nicotine that sophisticated lawyers for the tobacco industry would argue are outside of the FDA’s framework under the TCA. The vapor market is very popular among young people and the whole premise of the PACT Act is preventing underage tobacco sales and the avoidance of tobacco taxes. The PACT Act definition of ENDS goes beyond the TCA’s definition of ENDS, and it seems lawmakers wanted to target the e-cigarette industry. But lawmakers failed to read the fine print, as the ENDS definition that they came up with is totally inconsistent with the FDA’s Deeming Rule."
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