USA: Is Now the Time to Stockpile? What is your strategy for when the time does come?

[rekonball]

Rush Limbough wouldn't let that happen. I've heard he's a big vaper.

 

[cowboy6591]

So many general concerns and different "Dooms-day" approaches.

I simply panic bought 2 gallons of 100ml/mg of nicotine juice suspended in PG. And bought several "Mechanical" mods to assure longevity. If they ban the hardware as drug paraphenailia then It will shut down the electronic chip sales for the VV/VW mods out there, and I assure you those chips wont last long at all. The mechanical mods are "Reverse" engineerable and can be repaired with hardware store parts, even copied if need be. A non computerised BOX mod from a Walkie Talkie as a base is in the works so as not to attract attention in traffic or public. You simply suck on the antenna as a mouth-piece and push the push-to-talk button on the side. I have thought of a cell phone skeleton for this also. PG can be bought at any farmers co-op and restaurant supply on line, VG can be bought at CVS Walgreens etc... So stalk up on potent nicotine solutions. I have enough to last till I am dead. May not be good shelf life, I'm taking the chance. Invested over 1000 dollars in the nic juice. and 300 in mechanical mods. LAST BUT NOT LEAST I have several rebuildable tanks such as the Genesis style dual wick and next on the list is rebuildable cartomizers. have a respectable but not over large stock of "Flavonoids" but common sense, flavor concentrates will not hold up for years in storage. Note; buy nothing but pyrex or glass clear tanks for poly tanks disintegrate.

I have spent more on e-cigs then I would smoking analogs , but the future costs are going to be ZIP!!! next year this time I will be breaking even then it's smooth sailing. If the law doesn't jump on us then I can run classifieds and sell some off, Maybe I will start a home business. There are ways of making nic but forum rules obviously do not want that posted for good reasons.

I put nothing past our government, they would rather us drop dead from taxable cancer then inhale a less dangerous vapor.

 

[cowboy6591]

One of 3 things is going to happen:

1. Nothing.

2. Regulated & taxed.

3. Banned.

"Nothing" is best only in that it has the least undesirable consequences all things considered.

"Regulations" ... Gov't desired as it props up the tax base and "Saves Face" for BP. Can't regulate them one way and everyone else another.

"Banned" won't happen, as it'll create a phenomenal amount of damage at this stage. In countries where nicotine importation and distribution is restricted, ie. "banned", no one pays any attention to such edicts and enforcement is limited to stopping the occasional package at customs. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 10 million people have already switched to e-cigs. Looking at companies like NJOY and BLU, they seem to be quite unconcerned by the amount of money they are blowing on adverting.

All I can say is learn how to DIY and stock up. Worst gets to worst, you'll have to order from outside the USA which may be inconvenient and possibly a little more expensive, but the show will just go on.

Tht's why I have 2 gallons of concentrated NIC, taxing is inevitable.

 

[cowboy6591]

Hmmm read this excerpt from wikipedia about magerine and tell me what you think. It really shows the government only cares about itself. If your not in bed with their freinds then you are the enemy and need to be banned,taxed,etc.


As early as 1877, the first United States (U.S.) states had passed laws to restrict the sale and labeling of margarine. By the mid-1880s, the U.S. federal government had introduced a tax of two cents per pound, and manufacturers needed an expensive license to make or sell the product. Individual states began to require the clear labeling of margarine. The color bans, drafted by the butter lobby, began in the dairy states of New York and New Jersey. In several states, legislatures enacted laws to require margarine manufacturers to add pink colorings to make the product look unpalatable,[54] but the Supreme Court struck down New Hampshire's law and overruled these measures in Collins v. New Hampshire, 171 U.S. 30 (1898). Some localities required restaurants using margarine to post signs reading "Artificial Butter Used Here".

By the start of the 20th century, eight out of ten Americans could not buy yellow margarine, and those that could had to pay a hefty tax on it. Bootleg colored margarine became common, and manufacturers began to supply food-coloring capsules so that the consumer could knead the yellow color into margarine before serving it. Nevertheless, the regulations and taxes had a significant effect: the 1902 restrictions on margarine color, for example, cut annual U.S. consumption from 120,000,000 to 48,000,000 pounds (54,000 to 22,000 t).

With the coming of World War I, margarine consumption increased enormously, even in countries away from the front like the U.S. In the countries closest to the fighting, dairy products became almost unobtainable and were strictly rationed. The United Kingdom, for example, depended on imported butter from Australia and New Zealand, and the risk of submarine attack meant little arrived.

The long-running rent-seeking battle between the margarine and dairy lobbies continued: In the U.S., the Great Depression brought a renewed wave of pro-dairy legislation; the Second World War, a swing back to margarine. Post-war, the margarine lobby gained power and, little by little, the main margarine restrictions were lifted, the most recent states to do so being Minnesota in 1963 and Wisconsin in 1967.[55][56] Lois Dowdle Cobb (1889–1987) of Atlanta, Georgia, wife of the agricultural publisher Cully Cobb, led the move in the United States to lift the restrictions on margarine.[57] Some unenforced laws remain on the books.[58][59]

source: copy & pasted from Wikipedia

Even worse scenario is the "EQUALL" sweetener wars, that stuff turns to Benzine in your liver the big man don't care.

 

[cowboy6591]

I am not suggesting one not fight for their rights, but exactly what are you fighting for?

You may have a different objective than----snip-2-save---.

The biggest thing to fight for is the revolt against the FDA calling the hardware contrabban parafenalia [miss-spelled on purpose].
PFTPTBTPFTPBFTP.

 

[cowboy6591]

Did I join the Vape game too late? Do I need to start stockpiling stuff right away now? I don't think there's any way they can regulate banning all of the e-cig stuff. Why ban e-cigs when you can ban cigarettes? I don't see them banning swisher sweets, as these are used as a "drug delivery device" more than they're used as regular cigars.

I'm a bad example of calm intuitive thought. I "Panic" buy when Uncle Sam blows his control freak horn. But If I where you I would at the least have one Mechanical [no computer chip controllers] MOD, Rebuildable Cartomizer/Tank and stock up on
Nicotine juice at least 3 liters.

*50 ml / Mg is an easy solution to mix down to a safe percentage to vape. I chose *100 Ml / Mg to save a few dollars but it's risky stuff to mix down to a safe vape. Unlike you I have 2 gallons, but it wouldn't be crazy for you to have 2 or 3 liters in the fridge just to be safe. If it looks like hardware is NOT going to be banned then you can sell off the mechanical mod in the classifieds. Another survival skill is familiarize yourself with the under networks such as "TOR" Onion networks.
Be wary because thats where the real Bad Boys and girls hang out. You will always be able to buy hardware and juice on the dark nets. 50 % of them are crooks some of them are cops so you need to study and learn the ropes before you plunge $$$.

The vape gatherings and conventions are a gold mine. Get as many business cards from cottage industry owners [basement juice makers, hardware machinists etc...] as you can. Those will be your "Safe" people to buy from on the under-nets. I have a rolodex full of popular names you see in here full of contact numbers and websites, they are your best security for future vaping if the FDA drops the big one.


That's a big "if".
Personally, I meet to many rich higher ups District attorneys, judges, at work here, Our college president where I work and Professors and even local police officers taking courses are Vaping Blue-cigs [on-the-go] and Lava tubes for the living room. Half the reason Prohibition ended is that Judges, Lawyers, Clergy and other political figures loved to drink. I think we are nearing that point with vaping. But I am a conspiracy-theist doomsdayer pessimist. And I keep turning people on to this as much as I can and give free course instructions to connect to under-nets. Life is good. I'm surrounded by empty classrooms and computer labs.

PS: Some people have joked about making their own, I have tried it, and the work behind doing that really sucks. I have a legal clause on my 10 acre of farm land for a small track of tobacco for personal use and believe me you don't want to make your own; What a mess!!!! for such a small amount. youtube is loaded with DIY lessons, the forum rules does not want you posting it here because in some states it's illegal and it attracts compubots [computer spies]. And I certainly agree with those concerns. Going NIC free juice is not totally out of the question. I would be tempted to go down that road rather then make nic juice any day. Too much work.

 

[cowboy6591]

Personally, I don't like to give advice, however, I'm sitting on 6000ml of nic solution, so if that tells you anything ..

THANK YOU Uncle Willie, I thought I was a wacko fruit-bat for stocking 2 gallons of this stuff. I believe 6 liters is close to that.
HA!!!!!

 

[cowboy6591]

I will be growing my own tobacco in the midst of big tobaccos farms for extraction, and u will see me bootlegging liquid nic.. Lol( just kidding) but as far as gear is concerned it will always be readily available in some form or another.. You can get DIY mods from some vendors, so maybe buy one, then when u need another just go down to radio shack and buy parts for another..

As far as nic, I would imagine extracting isn't too difficult( from what I have read) although it could be a bit dangerous depending on percentage of nicotine in final product.

I am hoping that they do nothing, but since we know they wil, hopefully only regulations of some sort, and a tax on the nic that is reasonable. ( best case scenario I believe)
This is only my opinion since I don't follow FDA as close as I probably should..

If your really worried about this google "TOR Onion Network" and have a strong stomach if you connect, all the riff raff is there but anonymous websites are free and expect most of our friends in business here to show up in the ToR network. Personally being June 18 as I type this the juice ban hasn't even showed yet so I wouldn't panic but I would get a jump on networking anonymous "Skills" just in case. Of course a gallon of Nic juice concentrate wont hurt anyone.

 

[cowboy6591]

Not to mention those darlings of the Obama Administration's green "investments": electric cars. The Teslas, for instance, use about a gazillion 18650 batteries each: Car and Driver review of the Tesla model S and see at about 1:45.

HA!!! Don't get me going on the electric car. Years ago 1980's a ford pinto was used by 3rd party MIT engineers to manufacture a "Locomotive" electric hybrid AND; an all electric.

The All electric was shot down immediately because the power source could be bootlegged in a bathtub.
It simply used lead-acid battery bank of about 25 gallons. When the battery wears down the concept was impatient americans could just pull up to a filling station, for a fee [tax included] and dispell the used liquid from the tank [battery] and refill with charged liquid.

But no, some people might fill a bathtub with water and through two probes in it hooked up to a 36 volt charger and let it sit over night. TAX FREE fill ups where feared. Ya I know tap water is not smart here, but hey the average redneck git-er done comes into their minds. The other prototype was a smaller battery pack Lead acid, as a helper for slow speed stop and go. At high speed a nimble 30 hp motor kicks in and runs a generator. The propulsion was an electric motor armature on each wheel direct drive through pulse DC and the booger got 80 miles to the gallon at 60 MPH. But the tax mungles scrapped the idea after taking Eli Coka out to lunch on a Lear Jet. Duhhhhhh.

If electric cars where built on the "Liquid" charge concept the instant refill could happen, but it can also be cheated on the tax. Forget about electric cars till the tax prostitutes are sent home without a job.

The Lithium concept is deplorable, the carbon footprint is huge to make them and the recharge limit is nimble, the cost is huge, about 5000 to rebuild the priva battery pack. I may buy a used one for the efficiency of the "Locomotive" power train.
A gas motor generating the electricity to power the wheels is an efficient power train railroad engines use this. If done right you don't need a transmission just an ESC [electronic speed controller]. Remove the over weight batteries and wala 60 MPG not to shabby. I am not sure how toyota does their preva but I would be tempted if the drive train is at the wheels and not in front of an energy robbing gearbox.

 

[cowboy6591]

While I am very optimistic that we will have adequate sources and I am "hoping" the FDA does not do anything stupid -- I have also protected myself. I know that whatever the FDA does (or considers doing), we will have lot of time to react; however, I do not want to be on some waiting list for nicotine because everyone else is buying it (which, by the way, is happening now at Wizard Labs and MyFreedomSmokes). I now have 375ml of 100mg, which vaping at about 4ml a day and only 4mg strength -- this will last me about 6.3 years. And at less than $50.00 -- it is a small price to pay for my piece of mind.

I'm with ya Paulette; I have 2 gallons !!! and a life expectancy of not more then ten years thanks to my lousy liver genetic disorder.
Yes I might be one of those "Doomers" and I make no apologies to those in here that dislike them. You would have to witness as I have in person the infamous raid of the Gibson Guitar company to understand how capable or government is when it comes to making "Terrorists" out of normal citizens to make $$$ on a bust. For what? Coming in wielding rifles, Older women and passive hippies getting Kneed in the back, face planted on the floor and laid off!! for a lousy peace of wood that they bought 60 years ago when blackwood was not regulated? After witnessing this anyone would become an anarchist and doomsdayer in an instant. Oh no , their not targeting conservatives are they?
One swoop of their wand of automatic destruction and WALA!!! Vapors are terrorists simple as that. After all these people only got caught with an old piece of wood. Ya the EPA is just as corrupt.

 

[cowboy6591]

As far as gear goes, I predict the development of PVs that have the shape and look of asthma inhalers and disposable coffee cups (with lids and a straw stirrer for the vaping).

Ha, I'm converting a BOX MOD to fit in the guts of a walkie talkie, the antenna is the mouthpiece and the talk button is the button of course. I'll post pix when I am done. I am not aggressive with this project because I do think there is a chance that hardware will be safe, I hope. It's looking like the NIC is what's at stake for now.

 

[JuiceIsLoose]

Ha, I'm converting a BOX MOD to fit in the guts of a walkie talkie, the antenna is the mouthpiece and the talk button is the button of course. I'll post pix when I am done. I am not aggressive with this project because I do think there is a chance that hardware will be safe, I hope. It's looking like the NIC is what's at stake for now.

I have a question about that

Can 10% or 20% nicotine fluid be purchased mixed with ethyl alcohol? Figure that nicotine should be very stable and I know alcohol is very stable for hundreds of years--mix the two together and have a stable medium for long term storage. I think I read somewhere that as long as the alcohol mix is not over 5% of the total mix, it is fine to use it. My goal is to be down to 0.5% nicotine in the next few months so a 10% nicotine/90% ethyl alcohol mix would give me 0.5% when mixed at 5%.

My idea would be to take a 50mL of the 10% nicotine and dump it in 950mL of PG/VG for my base fluid then add flavors to make smaller bottles. Once that liter is gone, rinse and repeat for the next liter etc.

The PG/VG and food flavorings I'm not worried about. The hardware I can build myself, RBAs and 2 dozen Mini Pro Tanks with 200 replacement rebuildable heads would last me longer than.....I will last!

Am I on the right track or should I start stocking up on 100mg/ml PG and freeze it? My eventual goal is to kick nicotine out of the mix completely but there must always be a plan B (The military teaches you that one)