Utah....the time is here. :(
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Yup, or didn't you notice that Utah Online Sales Prohibition – Utah Smoke Free Association waited until there were only 5 days left before notifying the public. (the law was passed in 2015)
I tried telling everyone this was going to happen a year ago.
Not surprising....There are religious beliefs and a burning obligation to project those beliefs onto other people at play with this. I guess I should leave that subject alone. Rep. Paul Rey tried this several times before but it never went through. Utah is usually a very business friendly state even when the business interests are in conflict with the religious ones.
What I am wondering is how this can actually be practically enforced? What about the online retailers operating FROM Utah like AVS or ElectronicStix?
I am one of those affected. I have always wondered why Utah is sometimes referred to as Utahrdia......
What I am wondering is how this can actually be practically enforced? What about the online retailers operating FROM Utah like AVS or ElectronicStix?
I am one of those affected. I have always wondered why Utah is sometimes referred to as Utahrdia......
Paul Ray snuck this into the 2015 bill at the last moment, and it was never debated or discussed.
It was only by taking the time to read the bill after it was passed that anyone would know about it.
It was only by taking the time to read the bill after it was passed that anyone would know about it.
I remember you telling everyone this was coming. I few more eyes have now been opened to the overreach of all parts of government, local, state and all the way to the top.
Even more eyes should be opened as 'the powers that be' get control of every aspect of all lives. The ones that are cheering this as a good law will one day have something taken away from them and maybe they too will have their eyes opened. Sadly I think by then it will be to late to turn it around. I actually fear that it already is It's already to late. It seems like it only takes one bigot (like Paul Ray) with a burr under their saddle to advance their unjust cause.
Typical that I like to point out is that the FDA is so ".... hurt" over the NJoy law suit loss that they will do anything to destroy vaping. They really wanted to give the vaping industry to their friends (BP)
Typical that I like to point out is that the FDA is so ".... hurt" over the NJoy law suit loss that they will do anything to destroy vaping. They really wanted to give the vaping industry to their friends (BP)
Which also means that shops will be jacking the prices just because they can. They are already all jacked up.
It will be interesting to see if this affects the smoking rate there. We all know the states would secretly rejoice at increased smoking rates (because taxes), but how would such an increase come off PR-wise? Do you think John Q. Public would care?
I'm just wondering in general, if all this regulation does indeed turn out to be a virtual ban on vaping and smoking rates increase significantly, will someone somewhere care.
I'm just wondering in general, if all this regulation does indeed turn out to be a virtual ban on vaping and smoking rates increase significantly, will someone somewhere care.
The only people who are going to care are the vapers. The vapers who used it to quit smoking...like me.
Enforcement won't be needed because online retails will not sell or ship to Utah residents, same with Indiana and Arkansas, which only prohibits online purchase of e-liquid but a lot of retailers just stopped selling/shipping everything to them. Sellers from a different country might still sell and ship to these states though.
I imagine CravinVapes (10 stores IN/OH) would be on the short list of established well known/liked e-liquid manufacturers/sellers based in Indiana with a great track record that made it into that 6 short list. I understand they are also collaborating with a few other retailers to make/bottle that business's own private label e-liquids for them to be able to still sell it .....meanwhile.
I would not count on other US based online retailers to sell to you in Indiana, along with the whole age verification update to sites they are also adding a will not sell/ship to list, so enforcement is not an issue if no US online retailer will sell to you.
Personally I think the elimination of online sales is that state just setting things up to be taxed and handled in the same manner of state tax-stamped cigarettes, a move I feel most if not all states will follow.
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Lol, where there's a will there's a way. People will find ways around anything the government cares to throw at them. They will not change what I get, only how (or when) I get it. If they are seeking to modify behavior, I think they will find many won't behave according to plan. As it has always been. Such regulations end up wasting everyone's time and money.
When one state's tobacco taxes become onerous, people go to other states to get their stuff and tax revenue either does not increase or actually decreases. I will be surprised if vaping tax revenues meet expectations.
When one state's tobacco taxes become onerous, people go to other states to get their stuff and tax revenue either does not increase or actually decreases. I will be surprised if vaping tax revenues meet expectations.
How exactly does ONE Person Sneak anything into a Bill before a Vote? Was there a Switch out of the Correct, authored version of the Bill?
Would this not call for an indictment for Tampering?
I think someone somewhere said add this and someone at some lever did just that. The question remains.............was it legal?
Was it misrepresented? 
None the less - the more companies Approved to Sell into the State at wholesale level(Vendor) the more Taxable product the state gains.<<<<<<<< They are thinking Bass-ackwards.
I agree. I fear it is too lateI remember you telling everyone this was coming. I few more eyes have now been opened to the overreach of all parts of government, local, state and all the way to the top.
I agree! Indiana has much different motives
and I am praying they are the exception not the rule as other states go for the gold 
How exactly does ONE Person Sneak anything into a Bill before a Vote? Was there a Switch out of the Correct, authored version of the Bill?
Would this not call for an indictment for Tampering?
I think someone somewhere said add this and someone at some lever did just that. The question remains.............was it legal?
By compromise they did a re-write of a different part of the bill & Paul Ray (the author of the bill) slipped this in.
Sorry to hear that Utah's government is so draconian. But hey, can't have our folks start vaping! Might lead to an epidemic of wild beards and black t-shirts! Why, some might even think about not going on mission! Anarchy!
Never went on a mission...already wear black t-shirts...however....you may be right! I'm starting to grow a beard!
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