You said it yourself Trog, you don't have a crystal ball, you don't know how long Wayne's business will last. To cast doubts on another seller's business without facts is not very ethical. I've no reason to accept your allegations that Heaven Gifts won't be able to look after their customers.
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u have faith.. i lost mine long ago... and its u thats making the claims not me.. its u that should be proving them.. not me disproving them.. as i said its impossibles to prove a negative..
why u do such good work and then destroy your credibility with such unfounded nonsense claims such as £7.30 a year for running a ruyan bling purchased from a chinese ebay website i really cant fathom..
trog
why u do such good work and then destroy your credibility with such unfounded nonsense claims such as £7.30 a year for running a ruyan bling purchased from a chinese ebay website i really cant fathom..
trog
I'm not making the claims, your competitor offers a five year guarantee with the Bling, it's his claim. The maths is above, that was my contribution, I don't see anything wrong with that.
He says he offers a five year guarantee, you say he won't honour it. Gee, now who do I trust more ...
What was the small print on your guarantee again Trog?
He says he offers a five year guarantee, you say he won't honour it. Gee, now who do I trust more ...
What was the small print on your guarantee again Trog?
source : A picture of the ScrewDriver kit with instructions - ECigScrewdriver
i'd be careful here Trog , a supplier suggesting without evidence that a n other supplier is untrustworthy or un-reliable on the forum i would imagine is thin ice. Just remember what it now says underneath your username
i do not speak as a supplier.. i speak as i alway would and have..
to attempt to gag me with the supplier trick is underhand..
and i wish to hell apostle it didnt say what it did under my name..
either way if i cant speak my mind in an unbiased way.. i cant speak it at all..
end of story.. final comment.
kates claim of £7.30 yearly running costs from a ruyan product sold by a chinese based ebay site is absurd.. anyone that believes that an outlay of £38 pounds is going to buy them a free supply of new hardware for five whole years really is beyond any help i may give them..
so is the moderator that appears to support such claims.. sorry rat but u appear to be doing just this.. shut me up and keep the users happy seems to be the priority..
so be it.. he he
trog
to attempt to gag me with the supplier trick is underhand..
and i wish to hell apostle it didnt say what it did under my name..
either way if i cant speak my mind in an unbiased way.. i cant speak it at all..
end of story.. final comment.
kates claim of £7.30 yearly running costs from a ruyan product sold by a chinese based ebay site is absurd.. anyone that believes that an outlay of £38 pounds is going to buy them a free supply of new hardware for five whole years really is beyond any help i may give them..
so is the moderator that appears to support such claims.. sorry rat but u appear to be doing just this.. shut me up and keep the users happy seems to be the priority..
so be it.. he he
trog
Kate,i appreciate your efforts to bring some kind of clarity to the costs of esmoking...im sure its just meant to give a very rough guide,and not an attempt to give any final figures...
the only thing is...people who rely on warranty will invariably have to buy other ecigs and/or extra parts to use while their dodgy parts are in transit,thus upping the costs in real terms...and all this stuff about using own brand carts and liquids some of them state as terms is worrying...i havnt heard of anyone being refused replacements yet tho...plus shipping costs really cannot be estimated in any useful way,due to the uncertainty of failure rates...
on the other hand, a generic with spares can be used as a stand alone device...
by the way...maybe im out of touch...but i thought jantys warranty covers atomisers and switches for 6 months,and batteries for 3...have they changed this to a year lately?
the only thing is...people who rely on warranty will invariably have to buy other ecigs and/or extra parts to use while their dodgy parts are in transit,thus upping the costs in real terms...and all this stuff about using own brand carts and liquids some of them state as terms is worrying...i havnt heard of anyone being refused replacements yet tho...plus shipping costs really cannot be estimated in any useful way,due to the uncertainty of failure rates...
on the other hand, a generic with spares can be used as a stand alone device...
by the way...maybe im out of touch...but i thought jantys warranty covers atomisers and switches for 6 months,and batteries for 3...have they changed this to a year lately?
You are more than welcome to go start a thread in the supplier section to tell everyone why your product is sooooo much better than anything else. You can also bash all the other suppliers in your thread if you like. That's your choice.
In the general scope of the forum, though, you need to play by the rules that the other suppliers play by as well.
If they honor their guarantee, then kate is right, if they don't, then you are, but without concrete evidence it's hard to say which way it would go.
I'm not supporting the claims, but as a supplier, you get to not dismiss them either. If you don't like it, stop selling devices.
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In the general scope of the forum, though, you need to play by the rules that the other suppliers play by as well.
If they honor their guarantee, then kate is right, if they don't, then you are, but without concrete evidence it's hard to say which way it would go.
I'm not supporting the claims, but as a supplier, you get to not dismiss them either. If you don't like it, stop selling devices.
-Dusty-
It is just meant to be a very rough guide as you say Darcy and I've tried to be fair from as many angles as I could.
Spares are a good idea for any device and they in turn are also covered by guarantee ... or not as the case may be. I might get around to working out costs with spares at some point.
You're right about Janty's warranty, I got it wrong on the very first post on this thread but corrected it in my latest, revised costing. Six months atomisers and switches and three months for batteries. That's what I worked the price out for but I also took into account that if you buy a USB battery cable you can get cheaper batteries for that from Dealextreme.
Again, the warranty benefits are useless unless you are the type to use it and it isn't too impractical to return parts abroad or whatever. And of course it depends on the company providing the guarantee being around to honour it. That applies to anyone offering guarantees, not just certain ethnicities.
Spares are a good idea for any device and they in turn are also covered by guarantee ... or not as the case may be. I might get around to working out costs with spares at some point.
You're right about Janty's warranty, I got it wrong on the very first post on this thread but corrected it in my latest, revised costing. Six months atomisers and switches and three months for batteries. That's what I worked the price out for but I also took into account that if you buy a USB battery cable you can get cheaper batteries for that from Dealextreme.
Again, the warranty benefits are useless unless you are the type to use it and it isn't too impractical to return parts abroad or whatever. And of course it depends on the company providing the guarantee being around to honour it. That applies to anyone offering guarantees, not just certain ethnicities.
I know you may not think that you are speaking as a supplier Trog but plain and simply , that you now are. I wasn't trying to 'gag' you with that fact, it would take more than that from letting you voice your opinions lol.
You may well speak as you always have done but you havent always been 'labbeled' as a supplier.
My little 'thin ice' statement was just a friendly ' watch yourself here m8' type warning is was in no way an attempt to curb the argument or discussion.
If I Offended I apoligise. It was by no means intended that way.
oops sorry,i didnt see the revision Kate...
i used to be dead set against warranties,and thought prices should be lowered so people could just buy spares,and not join the replacement carousel,with all the waiting and posting involved...which personally i hate...
but prices of the big brands arent going to come down by enough to make this possible in the foreseeable future...so if people are going to continue to buy the expensive branded ecigs,then a warranty is a necessity...why cheap stuff like the bling has a 5 year warranty,i just cannot figure out...but there you go...
the only problem that i have is the lack of brand distributors in the UK...but im sure thatll change in time...
i used to be dead set against warranties,and thought prices should be lowered so people could just buy spares,and not join the replacement carousel,with all the waiting and posting involved...which personally i hate...
but prices of the big brands arent going to come down by enough to make this possible in the foreseeable future...so if people are going to continue to buy the expensive branded ecigs,then a warranty is a necessity...why cheap stuff like the bling has a 5 year warranty,i just cannot figure out...but there you go...
the only problem that i have is the lack of brand distributors in the UK...but im sure thatll change in time...
I know what you mean, I'm not keen on constantly returning parts myself, I wish they just worked for a decent amount of time. Unfortunately none of them do.
The five year Bling and Sedansa warranties are crazy for business but great for consumers. I guess they must count on people not using the guarantee for the full term. As time goes on we'll all want the latest models anyway and not replace old ones.
More local distributors are bound to jump on the bandwagon as long as we don't go the way of Denmark and end up with a ban.
The five year Bling and Sedansa warranties are crazy for business but great for consumers. I guess they must count on people not using the guarantee for the full term. As time goes on we'll all want the latest models anyway and not replace old ones.
More local distributors are bound to jump on the bandwagon as long as we don't go the way of Denmark and end up with a ban.
I just smoke my 901 and try not to look at my yearly spend and enjoy them hehe! I would really like to try a Janty or a Loongtotem tho just to see what all the fuss is about! Ohh and have we another Kate v Trog fight? I like these kinda threads!
Ha, I hope your money is safe on me
Trog has so many chips on his shoulder, it's a wonder he can still type. It takes me all my time working out his agenda when trying to have a conversation with him. It would be nice once in a while to get a straight answer to a straight question.
a guarantee thats too good to true usually is.. waynes ebay site is there to make money not dole out free parts for the next five years..
people buy e cigs with no idea of the realistic the life span given less than light usage .. what people dont realize is people sell them in ignorance of the realistic life span as well..
and has been said before the original ruyan five year warrantee was based on it being financed by the overpriced consumables..
in fact the whole e cig scene is based on a miasma of false hopes and expectations.. but this dont fit happy bunny land so i will shut up..
it seems people want to believe in this five years guarantee stuff so who am i to destroy their illusions.. lets all be happy bunnies together seems the order of the day..
no more from me on this issue..
trog
ps.. did u ever watch tele tubbies i on the TV kate.. ???
people buy e cigs with no idea of the realistic the life span given less than light usage .. what people dont realize is people sell them in ignorance of the realistic life span as well..
and has been said before the original ruyan five year warrantee was based on it being financed by the overpriced consumables..
in fact the whole e cig scene is based on a miasma of false hopes and expectations.. but this dont fit happy bunny land so i will shut up..
it seems people want to believe in this five years guarantee stuff so who am i to destroy their illusions.. lets all be happy bunnies together seems the order of the day..
no more from me on this issue..
trog
ps.. did u ever watch tele tubbies i on the TV kate.. ???
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Did Trog just spit out his Screwdriver their lol ..... He has got a point though .... And so has Kate .... They both sit on the SAME side of the fence ..Just from diffrent views... Me .. When i open my screens i see the sea .... Do you see the SMOG...!!!
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