I remember you telling us you grew up in West Philadelphia before moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air.
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I remember you telling us you grew up in West Philadelphia before moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air.
Depends on how you look at it. Our government is terrible at almost everything, but the one thing they know how to do well is tax. You need consistent control points where you apply and collect the tax, and if you don't have that, well, then your average citizen who is equally adept at avoiding taxes will predictably avoid the tax. I don't know how true this is, but you can take the perspective that what the government is now trying to do is create those control points where they can apply and collect a tax. Tobacco is not taxed as an example, but the cigarette pack is taxed and you must be registered to be a cigarette manufacturer. So the cigarette manufacturer becomes the tax control point. There were too many domestic and international juice manufacturers, so maybe all these regulations could be leading to less juice manufacturers who could then become the taxable control point. Just a thought.
Yes, Georgia has fairly low tax rates on cigarettes, I think NY state has the highest at $4.35 a pack, but I could be wrong. Just think about how much tax revenues cigarettes produce for states and how much the states depend on that revenue.
One of these centuries though, they're probably bound to get SOMETHING right. Laws of averages almost INSIST on it, no?
One of these centuries though, they're probably bound to get SOMETHING right. Laws of averages almost INSIST on it, no?
Banking on this century, but will be a few decades in the making.
Banking on this century, but will be a few decades in the making.
I admire & somewhat envy your optimism.
One of these centuries though, they're probably bound to get SOMETHING right. Laws of averages almost INSIST on it, no?
Well, now this was before my time, I thought the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights was probably as close to perfect as a government could come in crafting itself. It was well done. Then, once written, it became a living breathing document not through Article V processes but rather through judicial interpretation. That is to say, not by the will of the people or their representatives but rather by the thoughts of nine un-elected politicians in black dresses and their lesser minions spread throughout the several States.
There have been times when those black robes got it right. But their percentages of right versus the Article V process does not reflect well on black robed wisdom. In the past, the people and their representatives have proven wiser. I am not sure that in present days the people or their representatives are any wiser than the black robed politicians.
Are there any groups out there that this has not offended? Please, let me know and I will attempt to be more inclusive.
With so few options remaining at our disposal, and things quickly heading in the late Thomas Crapper's direction, I'm choosing to support the most de-concentrated power options, that being the current attempts at an Article V revival. It's a long shot, but it might be our only shot.
A recent event in my home state of CT was uninspiring, but hope remains, at least for the time being.
I am not offended, but "Won't Get Fooled Again" by the Who keeps playing in my head
Keeping on with the Who theme, I'm just a pin ball wizard.
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It's a long shot, but it might be our only shot.
A recent event in my home state of CT was uninspiring, but hope remains, at least for the time being.
Well, it is our second to last last shot.
I feel like it's our last, so you've got my attention. I'll take anything even remotely resembling hope at this point.
I'm listening.
You always have an unconventional way of seeing things, Smac.
Welcome to the forum Katie.
There have been attempts to ban cigarettes. That train has left the station, and returned to the station loaded with package labeling, indoor smoking bans (even outdoor smoking in some places), and piles of taxes.
I would say vapes are on the train now, and we wait to see how much, in the end, it will cost us to keep vaping, once it is branded a sin, as kiddie endangerment, and loaded with taxes. Already you have to look at a battery (no juice) in a package labeled "this product contains nicotine". Logic is apparently not required of hypocritical government.
If you're worried that vaping is as bad as smoking, I hope there will be lots of answers to that in this thread. It just isn't, and in places where logic does have a role, like in the UK, you'll see that hospitals have added vape shops for smokers in hospital who can't smoke, and for their visitors.
More studies need to be done on nicotine isolated into a pure pharmaceutical grade liquid, since all of those "nicotine/cancer" studies were done on tobacco. The divergence has been in places where vaping has been studied for smoking cessation, again, UK. Pharmaceutical grade liquid nic has also been studied and found to be helpful in cognitive diseases of old age, and in IBS. Otherwise, PG is used in asthma inhalers and other inhaled medicines for lung disorders, and VG has many internal medical and food applications. I'd be far more worried about the artificial colors in your kids' candies than I would be about vaping, but it is possible to eliminate the only ingredient that I believe is still an unknown, the flavorings. I vape unflavored when I have to be around others.
There have been attempts to ban cigarettes. That train has left the station, and returned to the station loaded with package labeling, indoor smoking bans (even outdoor smoking in some places), and piles of taxes.
I would say vapes are on the train now, and we wait to see how much, in the end, it will cost us to keep vaping, once it is branded a sin, as kiddie endangerment, and loaded with taxes. Already you have to look at a battery (no juice) in a package labeled "this product contains nicotine". Logic is apparently not required of hypocritical government.
If you're worried that vaping is as bad as smoking, I hope there will be lots of answers to that in this thread. It just isn't, and in places where logic does have a role, like in the UK, you'll see that hospitals have added vape shops for smokers in hospital who can't smoke, and for their visitors.
More studies need to be done on nicotine isolated into a pure pharmaceutical grade liquid, since all of those "nicotine/cancer" studies were done on tobacco. The divergence has been in places where vaping has been studied for smoking cessation, again, UK. Pharmaceutical grade liquid nic has also been studied and found to be helpful in cognitive diseases of old age, and in IBS. Otherwise, PG is used in asthma inhalers and other inhaled medicines for lung disorders, and VG has many internal medical and food applications. I'd be far more worried about the artificial colors in your kids' candies than I would be about vaping, but it is possible to eliminate the only ingredient that I believe is still an unknown, the flavorings. I vape unflavored when I have to be around others.
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