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We should have hired a PR firm a long time ago, but heck, very few would even go to the trouble to push a button to join CASAA for free. :(
Not easy to mobilize people.
Vendors are throwing discount coupons left and right. Why not offer one for CASAA members once in a while. Will help bump their membership. If CASAA was more powerful, who knows, maybe some won't be closing doors now.
BTW Do they announce their membership numbers?
 

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Not easy to mobilize people.
Vendors are throwing discount coupons left and right. Why not offer one for CASAA members once in a while. Will help bump their membership. If CASAA was more powerful, who knows, maybe some won't be closing doors now.
BTW Do they announce their membership numbers?

On another vape Forum which shall not be named, the question of "where are all the groups that everyone paid in to? Why are vape shops bringing cases during this crisis and not one of the dozens of groups that have taken thousands of $$ from people in this industry .. ??" ..
 

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On another Vape Forum which shall not be named, the question of "where are all the groups that everyone paid in to? Why are vape shops bringing cases during this crisis and not one of the dozens of groups that have taken thousands of $$ from people in this industry .. ??" ..
Sadly true. Effective lobbying and representation makes all the difference.
I remember when HIV broke out in the early 80's, things were stagnant for few years until LGBT groups started lobbying for the cause. In the next few years tons of research was funded, tens of thousands papers published and tens of new medicines came out. HIV was not a death statement anymore but rather a chronic controllable illness.
Contrast that with vaping. I can't believe that until now we have only sporadic research coming out from few passionate doctors around the world.
 

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Research costs LOTS of money. Only huge corporations can afford them (BT, BP, Monsanto). Since they're paying the researchers, its in those researchers' best interest to skew the results in the favor of the funder if they hope to continue to work again. This is why double blind studies are more truthful., but much more expensive. The vape industry is mostly made up by smaller mom and pop businesses who can't afford expensive studies.
 

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On another Vape Forum which shall not be named, the question of "where are all the groups that everyone paid in to? Why are vape shops bringing cases during this crisis and not one of the dozens of groups that have taken thousands of $$ from people in this industry .. ??" ..

That other forum is full of folks that live to complain about everyone and everything while making no effort to help the situation themselves. In fact, that's the only thing they do well over there and while I think that's fine for like minded folks to have a group that they can enjoy themselves that way it hasn't improved the outcome of the vaping fight at all.

CASAA is a charitable organization 501(c)(4) and has always been to my knowledge. As such, you can examine their finances yourself to see what they have done with the funds they have gotten. But even though this is clear to anyone, the folks on the other forum were too lazy and disinterested to do even that before spouting nonsense. They just just want to argue and demean. It's their jam.

CASAA was started to be a focal point and strategic think tank for the best way for the grassroots effort to battle the threats to our right to vape and to provide clear information on the legal challenges in terms we could understand. It wasn't started or structured or has the funds to be the sole combatant in this fight. This was a fight for the vapers to prosecute.

What happened? The vapers didn't care in enough numbers to make a difference. Anyone who has been a CASAA member for a few years has received well in excess of 100 calls to action. This included Federal, state, and local actions where vaping was threatened. It was up to vapers to take up the well planned call and fight for their rights. They didn't. Time and time again.

Occasionally, there were minor stalling tactics that were achieved, mostly in state committee hearings that did little more than delay the inevitable later down the road and further calls to action were ignored and actions passed. And yet CASAA has been steadfast in providing guidance for what WE can do, that was never done. At least not to the level that made a difference.

So no... they are way off base and are just doing what they always do over there and argue, accuse, demean, swear, and put on childish vitriolic displays. None of which has ever helped the vaping cause at all.

If folks want to vape they have to either become self sufficient or fight for their right tooth and nail and not sit back and wait for others to do the fighting for them. The vast majority of vapers have never cared enough to fight, so I would expect the best course of action is to be self sufficient and learn to vape in private because the next level after retail flavor bans and total retail bans will be your right to vape in public anywhere I would expect.
 

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You just had to remind me I am supposed to be making and canning a couple of batches of my Apple Pie Jam today for the hubby to give out at work. :p

Oh well back to reading ECF. ;)
I've just made 500ml juice, my son contributes to the cost and I give some away but I don't make it for people, it gets too much, mainly for myself and my son cause he prefers mine rather than commercial
 

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I've just made 500ml juice, my son contributes to the cost and I give some away but I don't make it for people, it gets too much, mainly for myself and my son cause he prefers mine rather than commercial
No no sweetie this is REAL Jam. The eating on biscuits kind. ;)
 

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Vapers are reviled for some reason. That hate definitely seems to cross party lines. (Maybe a bit less on one side.)

Look at a vaper's balance sheet ( from a politician's perspective ) :

Tobacco Tax earnings - nil
BT earnings (lobby group) - zip
BP earnings (lobby group) - nada
Worst case:
Might even live longer and still draw pensions at an age where the majority of BT and BP customers are already 6 feet under.

And a broke Democrat isn't that much different from a broke Republican.
If you don't have OPM to spend you won't get far in the game...
 

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That other forum is full of folks that live to complain about everyone and everything while making no effort to help the situation themselves. In fact, that's the only thing they do well over there and while I think that's fine for like minded folks to have a group that they can enjoy themselves that way it hasn't improved the outcome of the vaping fight at all.

CASAA is a charitable organization 501(c)(4) and has always been to my knowledge. As such, you can examine their finances yourself to see what they have done with the funds they have gotten. But even though this is clear to anyone, the folks on the other forum were too lazy and disinterested to do even that before spouting nonsense. They just just want to argue and demean. It's their jam.

CASAA was started to be a focal point and strategic think tank for the best way for the grassroots effort to battle the threats to our right to vape and to provide clear information on the legal challenges in terms we could understand. It wasn't started or structured or has the funds to be the sole combatant in this fight. This was a fight for the vapers to prosecute.

What happened? The vapers didn't care in enough numbers to make a difference. Anyone who has been a CASAA member for a few years has received well in excess of 100 calls to action. This included Federal, state, and local actions where vaping was threatened. It was up to vapers to take up the well planned call and fight for their rights. They didn't. Time and time again.

Occasionally, there were minor stalling tactics that were achieved, mostly in state committee hearings that did little more than delay the inevitable later down the road and further calls to action were ignored and actions passed. And yet CASAA has been steadfast in providing guidance for what WE can do, that was never done. At least not to the level that made a difference.

So no... they are way off base and are just doing what they always do over there and argue, accuse, demean, swear, and put on childish vitriolic displays. None of which has ever helped the vaping cause at all.

If folks want to vape they have to either become self sufficient or fight for their right tooth and nail and not sit back and wait for others to do the fighting for them. The vast majority of vapers have never cared enough to fight, so I would expect the best course of action is to be self sufficient and learn to vape in private because the next level after retail flavor bans and total retail bans will be your right to vape in public anywhere I would expect.

The discussion on the Forum that you can't know since I did not mention it, had nothing to do with CASAA .. in fact, CASAA was not even mentioned .. the discussion centered around Vape Advocacy Groups that were supposed to be helping the cause ::

Home - Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association
What We Do - American Vaping Association

and others .. don't assume, please
 

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Sadly true. Effective lobbying and representation makes all the difference.
I remember when HIV broke out in the early 80's, things were stagnant for few years until LGBT groups started lobbying for the cause. In the next few years tons of research was funded, tens of thousands papers published and tens of new medicines came out. HIV was not a death statement anymore but rather a chronic controllable illness.
Contrast that with vaping. I can't believe that until now we have only sporadic research coming out from few passionate doctors around the world.

And that politician who went by the name Ronald Reagan did not say the word HIV or AIDS for 5 years as the epidemic wreaked havoc on our population. Why that man is so many peoples' hero is beyond me.

Sorry for the off topic post, but I hate that man.
 

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Please.
Leave the political stuff out of things.
I know we are all emotionally charged right now but just take a breath.
If you can't resist making political comments just go read another thread or log off.
Are you trying to self destruct and be shown the door ?
Please - knock it off...and keep the threads on topic.


We are VAPERS - we should be united.




 

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Sorry for the off topic post, but I hate that man.

Hey that's Great that you let us All Know this. But Isn't that just Encouraging the Partisan BS that we just went thru in this Thread?

Or was that the Intent?
 
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Look at a vaper's balance sheet ( from a politician's perspective ) :

Tobacco Tax earnings - nil
BT earnings (lobby group) - zip
BP earnings (lobby group) - nada
Worst case:
Might even live longer and still draw pensions at an age where the majority of BT and BP customers are already 6 feet under.

And a broke Democrat isn't that much different from a broke Republican.
If you don't have OPM to spend you won't get far in the game...
Im curious. If *all* eliquid producers are (DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN) BIG TOBACCO then where are the taxes from those sales proving it? Seems like an easily disprovable misconception. (But that is going into too much “minutiae” past a screaming talking point, I know.)
 

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Im curious. If *all* eliquid producers are (DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN) BIG TOBACCO then where are the taxes from those sales proving it? Seems like an easily disprovable misconception. (But that is going into too much “minutiae” past a screaming talking point, I know.)
There doesnt have to be taxes to prove it since they are exempt.
 
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