And your purpose? Was is to just insult anyone who didn't stop smoking with Aroma's?
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And your purpose? Was is to just insult anyone who didn't stop smoking with Aroma's?
Yeah, I think my wife is about fed up with me being on the forum all day! I barely spent any real quality time with my 2 week old baby today. I feel terrible about feeling so good.Today is not yesterday and tomorrow will not be today!
Yeah, that can happen to wives at times :/
I am now betting you would take those words back if you could ha ha!
Admittedly I am playing some catch up and the question I am about to ask may have already been answered ahead of my reading trail.
So the question is this:
How does some like Ethan, create a profile mix of liquids that vary in both nicotine and 'WTA'? Where is he getting 'modified' sources of the alkaloid? For example, I ordered some liquids (which I never ended up receiving) that were made up of 12 mg nic, medium WTA, 18 mg Nic with High WTA, 18 mg Nic with Xtra high WTA, and so on.
So the question is this:
How does some like Ethan, create a profile mix of liquids that vary in both nicotine and 'WTA'? Where is he getting 'modified' sources of the alkaloid? For example, I ordered some liquids (which I never ended up receiving) that were made up of 12 mg nic, medium WTA, 18 mg Nic with High WTA, 18 mg Nic with Xtra high WTA, and so on.
WTA should follow the spread. Making a liquid with no nicotine would not be WTA as the "W" in "WTA" stands for "Whole". I can't imagine anyone with a liquid containing only the minor alkaloid portion of the alkaloid spread... I know I couldn't make it and I wouldn't want to vape it.
The 30 mg WTA, which is pretty potent stuff, is 95% (28.5 mg/mL) in nicotine, and 5% (1.5 mg/mL) in all the other alkaloids combined.
You must not assume that the mg strength of WTA refers to just the minor alkaloids, it refers to the total alkaloid concentration, I.E. nicotine plus all the minor alkaloids. While WTA is mostly nicotine, the 5% other alkaloids is where the magic is.
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To add something, one might ask, "Can't you then start with just nicotine and add the 5% other alkaloids to get WTA?". The answer is "No" for two reasons:
1. When you extract tobacco, you get 95% nicotine and 5% other alkaloids. Very sophisticated techniques could be used to separate the minor alkaloids from the nicotine, but this would be extremely involved and astronomically expensive. Far easier to extract WTA and simply dilute with PG/VG.
2. When you start messing with the product and changing it, it is no longer WTA. I define WTA as the UNMODIFIED alkaloid spread extracted from whole tobacco. I can do that 'cuz I created the term and I get to define it.
This makes complete sense.
So if anyone claims that they can have xtra high WTA in an x mg nicotine dosage then what they really are saying is that they are giving you an x mg (100% WTA) isolate and calling anything 'high' 'medium' or 'low' WTA is really just diluting the WTA isolate with pure non-WTA nicotine.
So if anyone claims that they can have xtra high WTA in an x mg nicotine dosage then what they really are saying is that they are giving you an x mg (100% WTA) isolate and calling anything 'high' 'medium' or 'low' WTA is really just diluting the WTA isolate with pure non-WTA nicotine.
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Holy '...' (I can use that word right?). I have only been involved sporadically on ECF since I joined 3 moons and 4 harvests ago, but I get the feeling I struck gold in one of the most seminal, absorbing and controversial threads of the times. A real gem of a thread worthy of printing out and sticking up on the walls.
Maybe this is my true reward for the price I paid for some liquids that never got delivered.
Dvap, I've been interested in WTA's since early 2012 and it took 3 months for me to get my first order. I came in after the ground wave of research, discussion,discovery and controversy of this innovation in e-liquids, so I didn't know who the developer was that was responsible for the movement. I must say, it's been a pleasure to read your posts. Not often does someone have the blend of characteristics of having such a fine intellect and scientific brain combined with charm and social grace.
For all that's been said about WTA and the vendors, there has been a lot of opinion rendered, all personal account, subjective and motivated and coloured by personal experience. But only two matters remain factual in my opinon of all I've read in this thread and they are:
1) All you have said about WTA liquids; and
2) There would be no reliable WTA market and most likely, it would be mostly non-existent, without Aroma-ejuice.
AB
Maybe this is my true reward for the price I paid for some liquids that never got delivered.
Dvap, I've been interested in WTA's since early 2012 and it took 3 months for me to get my first order. I came in after the ground wave of research, discussion,discovery and controversy of this innovation in e-liquids, so I didn't know who the developer was that was responsible for the movement. I must say, it's been a pleasure to read your posts. Not often does someone have the blend of characteristics of having such a fine intellect and scientific brain combined with charm and social grace.
For all that's been said about WTA and the vendors, there has been a lot of opinion rendered, all personal account, subjective and motivated and coloured by personal experience. But only two matters remain factual in my opinon of all I've read in this thread and they are:
1) All you have said about WTA liquids; and
2) There would be no reliable WTA market and most likely, it would be mostly non-existent, without Aroma-ejuice.
AB
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I don't understand where that came from. Dvap has nothing to gain or loose from either vendor. He has been nice enough to come here and give us explanations on some questions that many have. The only thing I've heard him say that may have caused that remark is that he had a brief dealing with ethan and didn't like him and moved on. Not everyone can be liked by everyone.
There are only two people on this whole forum who have my full, complete, and utter respect. They have invested their own money and more importantly, time into selflessly researching elements of vaping and have freely shared this information with the vaping community without asking for anything in return. Neither one craves the spotlight or is an attention seeker.
One of those people is Raidy, who gave us the Genisis concept, the other is Dvap, who gave us WTA eliquid.
Dvap, without your research and contributions to vaping, I am sure that I would still be smoking. Thank you for saving my life.
I have a tremendous respect for Dvap, always have. Which is why I was really disappointed to read this, "while Ethan might be catering to the mutants who would otherwise be taking nicotine on an IV drip." I felt it was a cheap shot at his customers, me being one, and truthfully, I expected better.
In that light, I don't see myself as being rude, but rather reacting to inappropriate. I just read that wasn't your intent Dvap, tho I don't understand how else that would be taken. Perhaps if I understood a different reason for phrasing it that way, I might feel differently.
On another note however, what is disrespectful to everyone, is you Jerry, scolding me, on a forum you know is a violation for you to be posting in. Please don't use me as an excuse to do so. You may not scold me anywhere.
In that light, I don't see myself as being rude, but rather reacting to inappropriate. I just read that wasn't your intent Dvap, tho I don't understand how else that would be taken. Perhaps if I understood a different reason for phrasing it that way, I might feel differently.
On another note however, what is disrespectful to everyone, is you Jerry, scolding me, on a forum you know is a violation for you to be posting in. Please don't use me as an excuse to do so. You may not scold me anywhere.
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He can't promote or discuss his product here in this forum. He can stick up for his friends and people he admires, redrose.
Then this ^ is what you should have said, isn't it?
Although Dvap doesn't need anyone to speak for him, he has made many friends over the years here on ECF and it's almost inevitable that someone will have his back when he's not around.
I've been really civil to you, being new, and trying to point out what you may not know. I didn't expect it to be a full time job tho, so I'm no longer interested in doing so.
I am not speaking for Ethan, even tho he is unable to. If I were, we'd be in places some on this thread would not enjoy going. I answered questions I had answers to, and spoke of my experience. You should really stop trying to spar with me.
Yes, including me. And I'm certain Dvap and I can discuss any mis-communication that may have arisen when we are here at the same time. He doesn't require anyone to have his back from me. I explained what disturbed me and there isn't any defending required.
I find it really annoying when people look at my join date and automatically assume that is when I started vaping or posting on vaping forums.
Edit: The only thing I consider myself to be relatively new to is WTA. But I've read through almost all of the old threads that discuss them.
Edit: The only thing I consider myself to be relatively new to is WTA. But I've read through almost all of the old threads that discuss them.
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I think a similar process for liquid with varying degrees of WTA in different overall nic percentages would be related to liquid with equal concentration of WTA in different nic percentages? Either which way, the "natural spread" is out, at least for the final spread?
Nah, not really, but maybe adding a caveat for those that would like to infer that it meant more than it said. I remember my first vaping session with Aroma with 12 mg nic and WTA, I said
and I guess that could be construed as being in a trance or zombie like state, but I was merely trying to honestly describe my experience--as in painting the picture--but some details will always appear differently if others would project onto them (not saying it is unreasonable to do that or even that you did it). Either which way, taking two long drags of a WTA juice is how I like test that kind of juice out, and it started with DHT. I think, as previously suggested, that effect for me changed (meaning I got less from it) when I increased my nic, because the nic went up 2x but the concentration of minor alkaloids did not ("dilut[ed] the WTA isolate with pure non-WTA nicotine"). That would pretty much, at least in my case, obscure the sedating, or relaxing effects of the minor alkaloids with the increase of the stimulant nicotine.
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