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Yea... and I'll smack anybody who tries to make me go back there right in the mouth.
I regret letting myself get dragged into that thread. Dunno if it's still around, but as far as a good, effective, and safe procedure, it reminds me of banging two sticks together and expecting fire.
Is this your new disclaimer? Sticky it!
For some reason I can't post the link!
I figured I d most likely make a mess of it. Seems when something is supposed to happen a certain way in stuff like that they don't....
D, if your still out there,
I have always been of the mindset that vaping nicotine got absorbed in my body far quicker and more efficiently with vaping than smoking. I imagine vaping WTA works the same because whether or not anyone had or didn't have certain reactions to smoking, I am not certain that the two, in terms of absorbtion, are all that analogous.
What I was curious about was did you find that one of your original WTA-exclusive liquid strengths was closest to that of smoking one whole cigarette? Though, I don't know how that would be quantified--maybe puff for puff? Still difficult to ascertain, I imagine, since all the other junk doesn't tag along for the ride.
There was some talk about not wanting "more" minor alkaloids (understandably) than, say, in a cigarette. But, the amount (mg) of alkaloids that can be vaped, maybe not in those TB levels, will generally be more than can be smoked. Does it stand to reason that a WTA vaper may be getting more mg of minor alkaloids from solely vaping WTA juice than smoking?
Is this possible? Is this off base?
p.s. If you've answered this before, just point in the general direction and I'll find it.
I have always been of the mindset that vaping nicotine got absorbed in my body far quicker and more efficiently with vaping than smoking. I imagine vaping WTA works the same because whether or not anyone had or didn't have certain reactions to smoking, I am not certain that the two, in terms of absorbtion, are all that analogous.
What I was curious about was did you find that one of your original WTA-exclusive liquid strengths was closest to that of smoking one whole cigarette? Though, I don't know how that would be quantified--maybe puff for puff? Still difficult to ascertain, I imagine, since all the other junk doesn't tag along for the ride.
There was some talk about not wanting "more" minor alkaloids (understandably) than, say, in a cigarette. But, the amount (mg) of alkaloids that can be vaped, maybe not in those TB levels, will generally be more than can be smoked. Does it stand to reason that a WTA vaper may be getting more mg of minor alkaloids from solely vaping WTA juice than smoking?
Is this possible? Is this off base?
p.s. If you've answered this before, just point in the general direction and I'll find it.
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I did a blog post a long time ago where I attempted to correlate different e-liquid nicotine concentrations to various analog categories such as ultra-light, light, full flavor, etc. I made a truck-load of assumptions, and I'm not sure if it's something I would stand behind today. Much of what I've done in the past represents "best-effort" attempts to make comparisons.
The following is the verbatim text from a blog post I made back in August 2011. It is remarkable in that I still feel the same about the subject today. I usually don't hold to a particular opinion for too long since, as I believe, our attitudes and opinions should be among the most changeable of things if we are to avoid becoming walled-fortresses of always looking at things the same way that we looked at them yesterday. Looking at things differently is very important. It's been said that when you look at the world differently, you see a different world. I firmly believe this. So anyway, pardon whatever that was that I just said, and here's the blog post:
I've been posting a lot of wet-blanket stuff, you know, "stay away from WTA unless you're really fighting analogs!" One reason for this, I suppose, is that we have to remember that the whole realm of vaping is even now rather new, and we don't know as much as we sometimes think we do. I guess I'm big on safety, and for as much as we want vaping to be safe, we're really only persuaded that vaping is safer than smoking, and that smoking is probably a good bit safer than driving really fast with your eyes closed!
The whole discussion around vaping is really about nothing less than our lives. Who here doesn't think it would be great if smoking was actually safe? I'd do a carton a day, really. I'm the first to say that if I were given my choice, I'd not vape at all, be active, get back into shape, and do all those healthy things that make my doctor tell me I can have TWO lollipops when I leave my annual physical. But I can't put down the e-cigarette yet...
We believe in harm-reduction... the idea that we can come out net-positive by replacing one bad habit with another not-so-bad habit. We know smoking is really bad for our health and longevity, but we only believe that our chosen not-so-bad habit of vaping is less bad. I really don't want anybody here to say "Well, WTA is a lot safer than smoking because DVap said...". DVap didn't say. DVap did say to go find a mountain, a meadow, a seashore, an unspoiled place and breath the air. BUT... failing to do all those good things I should be doing, and still tethered to an e-cigarette, I am simply persuaded, like many, that vaping is safer than smoking. But I wouldn't want the first of you here to take *my* word for it. I feel similarly about WTA. I believe that WTA is a safer alternative than smoking, but I don't know this.
The only thing I really know about WTA is anecdotal via the folks who have had the opportunity to try it... that WTA does take the edge off for folks who still struggle with analogs while vaping. Then again, so does snus (The Swedish stuff), and I'm far more persuaded that snus is safe than I am about vaping nicotine or vaping WTA.
So, in the end, all I'm really saying is that each of us has to do our own thinking and put our health in our own hands. Don't take my word for it, when in doubt, breath the air.
I've been posting a lot of wet-blanket stuff, you know, "stay away from WTA unless you're really fighting analogs!" One reason for this, I suppose, is that we have to remember that the whole realm of vaping is even now rather new, and we don't know as much as we sometimes think we do. I guess I'm big on safety, and for as much as we want vaping to be safe, we're really only persuaded that vaping is safer than smoking, and that smoking is probably a good bit safer than driving really fast with your eyes closed!
The whole discussion around vaping is really about nothing less than our lives. Who here doesn't think it would be great if smoking was actually safe? I'd do a carton a day, really. I'm the first to say that if I were given my choice, I'd not vape at all, be active, get back into shape, and do all those healthy things that make my doctor tell me I can have TWO lollipops when I leave my annual physical. But I can't put down the e-cigarette yet...
We believe in harm-reduction... the idea that we can come out net-positive by replacing one bad habit with another not-so-bad habit. We know smoking is really bad for our health and longevity, but we only believe that our chosen not-so-bad habit of vaping is less bad. I really don't want anybody here to say "Well, WTA is a lot safer than smoking because DVap said...". DVap didn't say. DVap did say to go find a mountain, a meadow, a seashore, an unspoiled place and breath the air. BUT... failing to do all those good things I should be doing, and still tethered to an e-cigarette, I am simply persuaded, like many, that vaping is safer than smoking. But I wouldn't want the first of you here to take *my* word for it. I feel similarly about WTA. I believe that WTA is a safer alternative than smoking, but I don't know this.
The only thing I really know about WTA is anecdotal via the folks who have had the opportunity to try it... that WTA does take the edge off for folks who still struggle with analogs while vaping. Then again, so does snus (The Swedish stuff), and I'm far more persuaded that snus is safe than I am about vaping nicotine or vaping WTA.
So, in the end, all I'm really saying is that each of us has to do our own thinking and put our health in our own hands. Don't take my word for it, when in doubt, breath the air.
Yeah, I didn't think it could be anything more than speculation which is eerily close to assumptions. Thanks. And while I'll take it with a grain of salt, I will surely enjoy it if for no other reason than to see your sketches.
Here here!
When I see "walled-fortresses of always looking at things the same way that we looked at them yesterday," I can't help but thinking of Plato's the Allegory of The Cave and all that it implies.
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As far as the blog post, I agree with that, too. I never got into vaping to stay in vaping--that was not part of the plan 3 years ago. While I have cut back the amount of vaping, not the nic, I have found that something has got to take its place if I ever move on from it or it just won't stick.
I, since my wife had the baby (and a few weeks before), started vaping more than the previous couple months (interestingly, those couple months when I wasn't vaping a lot, I had also went black here on ECF.) Anyway, while I wasn't vaping a lot, maybe a mL a day, I had started working out again. What I noticed was that when I began with my workouts, before decreasing my vaping, I wasn't as crisp and capable as I felt I should be considering I am not a smoker anymore.
I am not certain how all of this vaping affects my current and long term health, but I would be remiss if I did not say that there is some effect, even if just some diminished lung capacity (not that something like that is ever just an aside).
I struggle with this so much considering I got a newborn in the house and I don't quite know how the second hand vapor works out exactly (not that I vape near her). But my point is that I definitely would rather breathe the air than vape nicotine juice.
Part of the problem for me with vaping, or at least the quitting of it, is the seeming innocuousness of it, and, well, because it is awesome! Whether it is being able to not smell of anything (at least rank), the lack of overt physical manifestations of it, the cool websites, fun toys and tasty flavors, or simply just the act of looking and feeling like I am smoking but knowing that it's not--the point is that while I am not as addicted to vaping as I was smoking, I think this may be, for me, as tough to stop. And at least with smoking, I had vaping to take its place.
I do slightly fear not having any vaping supplies because, while I don't think I will go back to smoking, the gas station is always there--I know it can be a two way street. But having vape gear and not using it just does not compute. I guess the notion of something else being there to take its place may be my best option. I am in the process of assembling a well stocked home-gym, so maybe this, along with being a father can help to take that place or fill that void if in fact I do decide to quit. I don't know how it would work with transitioning to being a non-vaper, or even if I will, but these matters are, for me, worth reconciling.
I, since my wife had the baby (and a few weeks before), started vaping more than the previous couple months (interestingly, those couple months when I wasn't vaping a lot, I had also went black here on ECF.) Anyway, while I wasn't vaping a lot, maybe a mL a day, I had started working out again. What I noticed was that when I began with my workouts, before decreasing my vaping, I wasn't as crisp and capable as I felt I should be considering I am not a smoker anymore.
I am not certain how all of this vaping affects my current and long term health, but I would be remiss if I did not say that there is some effect, even if just some diminished lung capacity (not that something like that is ever just an aside).
I struggle with this so much considering I got a newborn in the house and I don't quite know how the second hand vapor works out exactly (not that I vape near her). But my point is that I definitely would rather breathe the air than vape nicotine juice.
Part of the problem for me with vaping, or at least the quitting of it, is the seeming innocuousness of it, and, well, because it is awesome! Whether it is being able to not smell of anything (at least rank), the lack of overt physical manifestations of it, the cool websites, fun toys and tasty flavors, or simply just the act of looking and feeling like I am smoking but knowing that it's not--the point is that while I am not as addicted to vaping as I was smoking, I think this may be, for me, as tough to stop. And at least with smoking, I had vaping to take its place.
I do slightly fear not having any vaping supplies because, while I don't think I will go back to smoking, the gas station is always there--I know it can be a two way street. But having vape gear and not using it just does not compute. I guess the notion of something else being there to take its place may be my best option. I am in the process of assembling a well stocked home-gym, so maybe this, along with being a father can help to take that place or fill that void if in fact I do decide to quit. I don't know how it would work with transitioning to being a non-vaper, or even if I will, but these matters are, for me, worth reconciling.
Okay so once again I am out of time alignment with the Americans and it's likely this question has already been answered but I think where you might be getting confused Mr Mann is what Dvap defines as 'the alkaloids'. I think he is actually referring to the collective make up of the alkaloids and nicotine as one molecular isolate (and I probably slipped up badly conceptually by saying molecular isolate which is why I am an accountant/liquidator and not a chemist).
I hope this clarified. Actually, I am hope I am right and not confusing you further.
I hope this clarified. Actually, I am hope I am right and not confusing you further.
There is a study, (it's been linked to here and on the CASAA website) chances are you have read it that talks about 2nd hand vaping. The initial study measured pollutants trapped in filters, and when the results came back as a non-existant pollutant count, the researchers had the test subjects exhale into vessels, which were then analyzed.
The results were as follows. If 2 people sitting in a room, and one of them is vaping, it will still produce less pollutants and toxins than if three people were sitting in a room and none of them were vaping.
Here's the link: New E-cigarette Study Shows No Risk from Environmental Vapor Exposure | Guide To Vaping
EDIT: I'm not sure if this is the same study I referred to above. There have been several studies, and all have produced the same results.
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I'm sure the test results will support the assumption that the air we breath is worse for us or some foods we eat etc.... But in the case of any type of sensitivities then that whole area goes out the window. I'm a person that has mild sensitivities to stuff in general I get snotty snowed and tired easily just hanging around in the environment and feeding my body. A person DOES NOT HAVE TO INHALE vape to absorb adequate "goods". This fact alone really can't be repeated enough when I read posts about is this safe. So what you'd be giving up is throat hit. Why that's addicting I don't know, but it is. Maybe like a ice cold carbonated drinking hitting and grabbing the throat feels satisfying. It's graphic body feel good I'm alive kind of thing. Scratching a itch stretching a sore muscle. What the whole thing is about being perfect in this imperfect world and having some control gets a little neurotic IMO. In response to the ills of our society and so on. Hey. You don't have to be perfect. Life doesn't have to be perfect and babies are not going to stay perfect blank slates that never get wronged. Prepare her for a real world and give her lots of love. Exampl. If she doesn't crawl on a dirty floor and one day happens to when your not there, she'll probably get sick from it. Instead of being toughened up. Just a morning rant. Be real and be loose. Enjoy!
I agree 100%. You don't need to inhale vape into your lungs. I've worked it out so that every third or fourth hit gets some quality lung time, but for the most part I vape like I was smoking a pipe or cigar. If I need more nicotine, I just hold the vape in my mouth a little longer, or exhale a little slower through the nose. The throat hit is nice, and I think that WTA juices have a nicer throat hit and mouth feel than other juices. There's just "more" there. It's hard to describe a feeling, isn't it?
Yeah, you and Clinton it was I think. "Didn't inhale". Right! Just kidding. I don't think I could vape without inhaling. For me it completes the circuit.
Holy crap! I thought I was imagining things when I saw you posted. It's great to see you here Dvap. I just have one question. How the heck did you post the word "..." without getting sensored?Seriously though, I'd gladly do some testing on some more of that 30mg wta. Your unflavored 30mg is still my favorite.
I have to wonder if your fond memories of the DVap 30mg WTA is because it was actually 30mg WTA and not diluted. Hopefully Aroma will get wind of this thread and answer on his venders forum. An interesting point is that Aroma has unflavored DIY WTA starting at 18mg for a good deal more money then standard WTA. No clue as to what is going on with that but it does get curiouser and curiouser.
He's willing to answer just about any question, If you are willing to make a post or thread in his forum and ask him. Caridwen kindly posted the link. Due to ECF rules, Jerry is very limited on what he can discuss outside of his forum. Post a link back here if you do ask him.
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