Vapelicious?

[redrose]

So I've gotten some PM's, and I am a little confused by them.

The first time I ordered from Ethan, I too waited about 2-3 months to get my order. It was a frustrating experience and he didn't have a working website that provided updates. I had already tried Aroma's and had given up on WTA being my answer. Then, at a local vape meet, someone gave me Vapelicious to try. I was blown away by the quality and the taste. I still had my doubts about it effectiveness, because I sampled alot of juice that night and thought it could be chalked up to something else. She warned me that if I decided to order it, it takes a very long time to get, but it will come eventually.

I vaped it the next day and did not smoke. I did not think about having a cigarette, and I am someone who started vaping in 2008 and never stopped smoking. I ordered it on the spot. Same thing on day 2, so I started thinking, how long could the wait possibly be?
After a few weeks I began to get concerned and asked her about delivery times. She said months, and she re-orders as soon as an order arrives. Said she warned me. It came between 2 to 3 months after I ordered it. And I was blown away again. I didn't smoke and lo and behold, I could actually vape tobacco .

So to those who ordered after Ethan himself posted that he was out of WTA in January, I can't help you get your order faster. He warned you at that time that you would be waiting if you ordered, like I was warned. I can only tell you what I just did, and add that he is working on those orders while trying to figure out a better way.

Everyone who ordered when the site first opened, received their orders in a couple of weeks. I can only re-assure ppl waiting since Jan that he didn't skip town with your money, and that as his orders increase, so does the wait time. I can tell him you'd like a refund if you want to go that route.

I felt very badly for the person who said they ordered in August and had no resolution. That is what prompted my offer for anyone with that type of issue.

 

[carrotcake]

Oh thank you so much. I have a lot of reading to do

I'm also very curious about this swedish snus? What is it? Is it just regular snus? Why the swedish variety? And is it simply used in ejuice and left to steep?

 

[carrotcake]

And can you buy swedish snus ejuice premade? Why is swedish snus safer than per se camel snus? I don't understand the swedish part. Let alone are people making it at home or premade?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Oh thank you so much. I have a lot of reading to do

I'm also very curious about this swedish snus? What is it? Is it just regular snus? Why the swedish variety? And is it simply used in ejuice and left to steep?

There is a guy--as a matter of fact, he has been on the front lines of this! He was the last poster in the "are we getting it-nicotine thread--named Hittman. He has been on all the other forums and has been around the block more times than most. He is a fantastic resource of Swedish Snus. Also look for another great ECF member named Stubby.

And can you buy swedish snus ejuice premade? Why is swedish snus safer than per se camel snus? I don't understand the swedish part. Let alone are people making it at home or premade?

See above

 

[Berylanna]

And can you buy swedish snus ejuice premade? Why is swedish snus safer than per se camel snus? I don't understand the swedish part. Let alone are people making it at home or premade?

That is a somewhat controversial question. The Swedish snus is "pasteurized" and has extremely low carcinogens compared to many other brands. It is also the only one for which there has been an actual epidemiological medical population study showing safety.

The second-to-last page of the CASAA Legislative Packet on Indoor Bans is a TNSA (carcinogenic nitrosamines) chart. It does not show Camel snus, I think the "Camel" in the chart is probably for cigarettes, but it shows Skoal (which is American) as being higher in nitrosamines as many cigarettes. Swedish snus is much lower. (This does not mean Skoal is as dangerous as smoking, given that it is not combusted.)

CASAA is not only about ecigs it is about smokeless in general.

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

So I've gotten some PM's, and I am a little confused by them.

The first time I ordered from Ethan, I too waited about 2-3 months to get my order. It was a frustrating experience and he didn't have a working website that provided updates. I had already tried Aroma's and had given up on WTA being my answer. Then, at a local vape meet, someone gave me Vapelicious to try. I was blown away by the quality and the taste. I still had my doubts about it effectiveness, because I sampled alot of juice that night and thought it could be chalked up to something else. She warned me that if I decided to order it, it takes a very long time to get, but it will come eventually.

I vaped it the next day and did not smoke. I did not think about having a cigarette, and I am someone who started vaping in 2008 and never stopped smoking. I ordered it on the spot. Same thing on day 2, so I started thinking, how long could the wait possibly be?
After a few weeks I began to get concerned and asked her about delivery times. She said months, and she re-orders as soon as an order arrives. Said she warned me. It came between 2 to 3 months after I ordered it. And I was blown away again. I didn't smoke and lo and behold, I could actually vape tobacco .

So to those who ordered after Ethan himself posted that he was out of WTA in January, I can't help you get your order faster. He warned you at that time that you would be waiting if you ordered, like I was warned. I can only tell you what I just did, and add that he is working on those orders while trying to figure out a better way. Everyone who ordered when the site first opened, received their orders in a couple of weeks. I can only re-assure ppl waiting since Jan that he didn't skip town with your money, and that as his orders increase, so does the wait time. I can tell him you'd like a refund if you want to go that route.

I felt very badly for the person who said they ordered in August and had no resolution. That is what prompted my offer for anyone with that type of issue.

I assume I'm one of those people you are referring to considering I orderd January 30th. However, I had emailed back and forth with Ethan several times before ordering. He said and I quote"The best thing to do is just order now but know they are on backorder. I should have more WTA this week but then a lot of orders to go through already. Hopefully I could get it on its way to you next week though." That is taken directly from his email. It has now been over 2 months. It's not a matter of him skipping town with my money but more a case of not upholding his word. A great business motto is "under promise and over deliver". This seems to be the contrary. I don't want a refund after all of this I will try the juice and if I like it at least I k ow what I'm getting myself into next time. If he had been up front and said hey it will likely take 2-3 months then at least I would have been prepared.



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[Mr.Mann]

I assume I'm one of those people you are referring to considering I orderd January 30th. However, I had emailed back and forth with Ethan several times before ordering. He said and I quote"The best thing to do is just order now but know they are on backorder. I should have more WTA this week but then a lot of orders to go through already. Hopefully I could get it on its way to you next week though." That is taken directly from his email. It has now been over 2 months. It's not a matter of him skipping town with my money but more a case of not upholding his word. A great business motto is "under promise and over deliver". This seems to be the contrary. I don't want a refund after all of this I will try the juice and if I like it at least I k ow what I'm getting myself into next time. If he had been up front and said hey it will likely take 2-3 months then at least I would have been prepared.

I think TCP touches on, at least what I believe to be, the main point. "nder promise and over deliver" is key and from my dealing with Ethan, it was, as TCP said, the opposite. On August 15th, Ethan said, "Hey Jeremy thanks! I just got your order out. Sorry it took so long..." and on the 21st is when he told me he got the package back and was ("I think") sending it out ("today"). Fast forward a month and I finally gave up after receiving NO word and NO product. In my final email to Ethan I said,

"You told me a month ago that you were going to ship my order. You said, "It's going to go back out today I think, so I really expect it to get to you soon this time." I have emailed you and called you several times after your last message and you have not responded or answered. I am left to believe that you, for whatever reason, have decided to take the money and disappear. It really upsets me Ethan because you can't disappear on your customers like this. I know you may have many customers, but that is the nature of business. I really wished you would've come through for me.

Why did you take my money and stop communicating with me? That is not right at all!"


I have since gotten over that "business deal" and moved on (luckily I got my money back from my bank). I am not mad at Ethan, but I still believe he needs to, as my mother always says, "show you better than tell you." Part of the reason that I am not mad at Ethan anymore is because I finally tried his WTA--I use the word "his" loosely since he is technically not the one that makes it, though the same can be said with Jerry. I didn't try the flavored WTA, but used the DIY WTA as if it was a purley functional juice--man, it was functioning on all cylinders. I am at the point where if I was to not be able to get more of Vapelicious WTA, until the other site goes live, I just consider WTA to be a purely theoretical thing. For me, I can't act as if what I consider the best product is not out there--it's like reverting to a cig-a-like battery after having had a big batt mod!

 

[redrose]

Cool thanks. I didn't know it was that public. I guess I meant it's new to people finally finally be able to buy it. Do you really think aroma and vapelicious are that similar? All the way to the concentrations in the end product?

There are several ways in which they are not similar. I, for example vape 36mg tobacco-menthol juice. I can't order anything close to that at Aroma. He has 1 menthol which is only available in 18 mg. Now I find that with WTA I don't need 36 mg, but 18 doesn't cut it. And the 2 juices I tried tasted like every other juice from China.

If it's your all day vape, how many sample size 10 ml bottles can you order? I just went to Aroma's site and randomly chose Sahara. I tried to put 7 bottles in my cart because I get 72 mls from Vapelicious. There were only 5 available. It makes me question exactly what you can get in 5 days.

I also have a large bottle of DIY WTA, that I could order in any strength and size I wanted. Not happening at Aroma. There it's 1 15 ml bottle if you can be on his site the 3 or 4 times he's offered it ever.

The bottom line for me is, with Aroma I found no difference in wanting to have a cigarette than with any other juice, and the flavors were awful. With Vapelicious I have an all day vape that is the flavor, strength and quantity I want that keeps me from smoking. I just have to make sure I order it before I run out.

 

[AnthonyB]

I was about to order from both vapelicious and aroma. Should I hold on the vapelicious? Is Aroma delivering?

I've heard numerous people make mention that Ethan's WTA's are better than Aroma-ejuice and it appears that some of these comments are being made as assumptions based on hearsay on the internet. I am not sure half of these people have actually ordered Aroma-ejuice's WTA liquids.

After Vapelicious refused to send my order I turned to Aroma-Ejuice. I too initially had the 'impression' that Ethan's boutique personalised and exotic blends rivaled Aroma-ejuices. I had no personal experience with either. I don't know where I got the impression that Ethan Huff would have a superior product. It may have been that initially, I was under the impression that Aroma-ejuice rebranded Chinese dekang liquid and just added WTA to it. I have since learnt that this is entirely incorrect.

After trying Aroma-ejuice liquids I asked myself why did I wait so damn long to try them! I must say their liquids are now my all day vape. Their DK-Tab, Turkish, G I Joe, Gecko, Virginia and Beatlejuice are as close as you will get to a tobacco product. The flavours are exceptional and the WTA has helped eased my desire for tobacco. The DK-Tab is my go to vape. Of course, e-liquid flavours are subjective but the effects of WTA are what they are. There are differing reports on the effect of the WTA component of the liquid but I found that Aroma-Ejuice WTA liquids are hitting the spot and scratching that itch I have for some of the other properties in a cigarette.

There is one report out there that suggests that Ethan Huff's (Vapelicious) e-liquids are light on WTA despite being wonderful brews and that only Aroma-ejuice provides adequate levels of WTA. This is probably because Aroma-ejuice manufacture their WTA in their own labs were Ethan has to buy it.

Initially, when I first made contact with Aroma-ejuice it took them a long time to take down my order. Being in Australia, they didn't at the time deliver to my country and didn't have credit card facilities on the site to accept my order so it was all done manually with a payment to Paypal (note they didn't accept my money until they were in a position to fill my order). They also had a backlog of orders to fill.

The site now delivers overseas and they seem to have adequate supplies of WTA liquids. My last two orders arrived to me within 7 days. That is exceptional given I am in Australia. I have never received an order so fast, not even from China.

For all those waiting on Ethan Huff, please do yourself a favour and try Aroma-ejuice. i just wish i didn't wait 4 or 5 months for Ethan to deliver on his promise before going to Aroma-ejuice because now Aroma-ejuice is my number one supplier and their liquids are always in my bag ahead of BWB, Vaperite and other quality brands. Their liquids are the only ones that truly give me what i need when I desperately need a nicotine hit and only have 5 minutes to vape when stepping out of the office.

 

[redrose]

I assume I'm one of those people you are referring to considering I orderd January 30th. However, I had emailed back and forth with Ethan several times before ordering. He said and I quote"The best thing to do is just order now but know they are on backorder. I should have more WTA this week but then a lot of orders to go through already. Hopefully I could get it on its way to you next week though." That is taken directly from his email. It has now been over 2 months. It's not a matter of him skipping town with my money but more a case of not upholding his word. A great business motto is "under promise and over deliver". This seems to be the contrary. I don't want a refund after all of this I will try the juice and if I like it at least I k ow what I'm getting myself into next time. If he had been up front and said hey it will likely take 2-3 months then at least I would have been prepared.



Sent from my Minds Eye

Well, yeah. With anything e-cig related, this forum is an invaluable source of information and experience. Any search of Vapelicious will bring up threads of people waiting months for their initial orders. And you mentioned your friend warned you about the wait. Nowhere does it say he has a better system in place and you can expect a different result.

In his email Ethan said he "expected" and "should have" and "hopefully." That's the problem. He has to wait too. And he hopes for the best. It doesn't always work out that way. He does the best he can with what he's got. Until something is different is in place, it is what it is. It's not a good business model, which is why you won't find any advertising. People seek him out, his business is mostly word of mouth, and he doesn't like to say no.

 

[AnthonyB]

So a friend of mine told me about WTA few months back and I knew immediately that I wanted to try it. He warned me about the Vapelicious wait time but due to the fact I had
a plethora of juice I didn't mind waiting a while to try this. I contacted Ethan to ask him about his WTA and some of his flavors. He emailed me right back and seemed quite nice and was helpful. I then placed an order on Jan 30th. The wait begun. A few weeks ago I emailed Ethan to ask the status and didn't hear a word back. It seems a bit shady that he would respond and chat with me as a potential customer but now that Ive paid him he avoids me. I want to believe that he is just backed up and will get to it soon. But one thing I know is that he can't go on running a business like this.


Sent from my Minds Eye

Hmm that's an interesting way to put it. That's exactly what happened to me. Ethan was very communicative and helpful before I paid him and he took the time to perfect my order and answer any questions I had. Once the money was processed I stopped hearing from him and on one of the very few times he did answer after about a month of putting in the order he said 'you just have to be patient'. His persona changed after I sent payment. In many of my subsequent emails I also asked him to refund my money and he didn't answer.

 

[Mr.Mann]

There is one report out there that suggests that Ethan Huff's (Vapelicious) e-liquids are light on WTA despite being wonderful brews and that only Aroma-ejuice provides adequate levels of WTA. This is probably because Aroma-ejuice manufacture their WTA in their own labs were Ethan has to buy it.

Where is the link? What was the "report's" level of WTA? If they ordered "low" then it probably was.

I am curious, what did YOU think of Ethan's WTA? Oh, and I have had more juice from Aroma than you could imagine. I have also had plenty that Jerry generously sent me that was not even available from the site; now that stuff was good and strong (I can't say exactly what it was) but it hasn't been, nor was it ever available.

Their DK-Tab, Turkish, G I Joe, Gecko, Virginia and Beatlejuice are as close as you will get to a tobacco product.

This statement right here is not going to fly. You know those juices are, well, never-mind. WTA is one thing and we can talk shop with the two different WTAs, but calling those juices "as close as you can get to a tobacco product" makes a mockery of all the NET vendors out there that are making juice that is a tobacco product and tastes like it! It's easy to veer out of your lane when posting, but this is off the road.

p.s. The Red Tail Line, my former favorite, is the juice that was not, well, whatever! LOL

p.p.s I don't meant to be combative, I am really just picking with you.

 

[redrose]

@ Anthony in Australia, my experience is drastically different than yours. I've seen no such reports, and my personal experience would render them false.

 

[AnthonyB]

Well, yeah. With anything e-cig related, this forum is an invaluable source of information and experience. Any search of Vapelicious will bring up threads of people waiting months for their initial orders. And you mentioned your friend warned you about the wait. Nowhere does it say he has a better system in place and you can expect a different result.

In his email Ethan said he "expected" and "should have" and "hopefully." That's the problem. He has to wait too. And he hopes for the best. It doesn't always work out that way. He does the best he can with what he's got. Until something is different is in place, it is what it is. It's not a good business model, which is why you won't find any advertising. People seek him out, his business is mostly word of mouth, and he doesn't like to say no.

Since I put my order in during February 2012 the following issues have been constant with Ethan Huff:

1) He always seems to have problems with the website;
2) He always seems to have problems with his computer;
3) He is always running out of WTA and waiting for the next batch to come (from Europe apparently);

The guy can't run a business but he obviously needs the money. They are all lousy excuses. Over a period of a few months it may be reasonable to consider he has had some problems, but he has been developing the website since January 2012 and claimed he has had problems with it and he is always waiting on more WTA. His issues with the website, with flavours and with WTA didn't start in January 2013, it goes back to January 2012.

With this constant delay of WTA supplies he ought to know after a year or so that he cannot possibly fill orders in the near future and should not be accepting payment for a product that he cannot possibly deliver. It is only that the sale of e-cigarette products are not regulated that Ethan Huff hasn't had a trading license revoked, been subjected to a review of the US's equivalent of the Office of Fair Trading, or been up against a small claims trial judge for damages.

 

[AnthonyB]

Where is the link? What was the "report's" level of WTA? If they ordered "low" then it probably was.

I am curious, what did YOU think of Ethan's WTA? Oh, and I have had more juice from Aroma than you could imagine. I have also had plenty that Jerry generously sent me that was not even available from the site; now that stuff was good and strong (I can't say exactly what it was) but it hasn't been, nor was it ever available.




This statement right here is not going to fly. You know those juices are, well, never-mind. WTA is one thing and we can talk shop with the two different WTAs, but calling those juices "as close as you can get to a tobacco product" makes a mockery of all the NET vendors out there that are making juice that is a tobacco product and tastes like it! It's easy to veer out of your lane when posting, but this is off the road.

p.s. The Red Tail Line, my former favorite, is the juice that was not, well, whatever! LOL

p.p.s I don't meant to be combative, I am really just picking with you.

Hi Mr Mann, thank you for your feedback.

I am trying to be succinct and I am posting with haste, because what I am actually supposed to be doing right now is working on an essay that is due in a few days time.

Firstly, I do believe Jerry's liquids are NOT rebranded Chinese dekang despite the name similarities. Jerry himself has attested to the fact that DK-Tab is a flavour, like RY4 and not a brand name. It is apparently their version of DK-Tab. I've tried both the regular Chinese DK Tab we all know about and Jerry's and I can taste a difference. If you have different information then please share it.

Secondly, I can't say much about Red Tail except I didn't really like it. It didn't sit well with me and made me feel a bit ill, and I am not sure why. Some juices have that affect on me, including vendors who have a good reputation like Pink Spot Vapor.

Most importantly, when I state that Aroma-ejuices liquids are as close to a tobacco product as you can get, I don't necessary mean to say that they are as close to an actual tobacco product or extracted from actual tobacco. I just mean to say, that subjectively, their juices mimic the affect that tobacco has on me more than juices from other vendors. It's something to do with the comprehensive throat hit you get when vaping WTA liquids. The DK -Tab actually smells like tobacco smoke in the air for me. Again this is subjective.

I have dropped back to 12 mig Nic on my WTA liquids from Aromae-juice because the 24 is too strong. My only take on this is that the synergistic properties in WTA liquids make liquids of similar strength more potent than their non WTA equivalents. I certainly don't feel like a cigarette after I have vaped Jerry's liquids whereas, in the past, I could have vaped non WTA liquid all day long and yet still have a subtle craving for an analog.

The reports I read are contained in the following link where several juices from both Vapelicious and Aroma-ejuice are reviewed. Though. upon second inspection I don't see the author of that site making a direct comparison but he seems to need to order in larger and larger doses of WTA from Vapelicious to get the equivalent WTA effect.

E Cig Juice Review: What I think of (WTA) Whole Tobacco Alkaloids

Regards

 

[redrose]

He doesn't get his WTA from Europe, he gets certain flavorings from Europe. And they aren't always available. My 2 favorite flavors use one of those ingredients and he had to substitute it with something else this last time. I like the European flavor better.

And he runs out of WTA, and his website crashes because he gets bombarded with orders whenever he has WTA.

Look, the bottom line is this, for everyone. He's not a business person, he's a science guy. He has a superior product, that is a finite quantity at a given time and a growing customer base. He needs a different plan. I have the juice I want, as do the great majority of his customers. He is not a criminal or a con artist.

Aroma has been around for quite awhile. If his business model and product works for you, you are all set. There's enough room in the industry for both of them without false reports "out there."
Edited to add the report you cite is another vapers subjective review, and has 0 factual information

 

[AnthonyB]

He doesn't get his WTA from Europe, he gets certain flavorings from Europe. And they aren't always available. My 2 favorite flavors use one of those ingredients and he had to substitute it with something else this last time. I like the European flavor better.

And he runs out of WTA, and his website crashes because he gets bombarded with orders whenever he has WTA.

Look, the bottom line is this, for everyone. He's not a business person, he's a science guy. He has a superior product, that has a finite quantity at a given time and a growing customer base. He needs a different plan. I have the juice I want, as do the great majority of his customers. He is not a criminal or a con artist.

Aroma has been around for quite awhile. If his business model and product works for you, you are all set. There's enough room in the industry for both of them without false reports "out there."
Edited to add the report you cite is another vapers subjective review, and has 0 factual information

I defaulted to Aroma-ejuice because Ethan Huff didn't deliver his product otherwise he might have had a devout consumer in me if he maintained his initial good attentive style and compassion for product blend.

There is definitely plenty of frustration out there so it's good that you have weighed into this with a view from the other side redrose. It's generous of you to try and resolve consumer issues by suggesting you would take queries to Ethan. I hope you might do the same for me, though I really gave up about 6 months ago, particularly Ethan didn't even give me the courtesy of an email response to my many emails to him subsequent to non-performance.

Given the discussion here I really am keen to try his e-liquids and it's probably done a disservice to me to know that his product is good, because in my personal experience, it's a mythical product that doesn't really exist and we pay money for the hope we might get to experience it, rather than pay for the actual product itself. Kind of like buying a lotto ticket and hoping to win.

Regards

 

[Mr.Mann]

Hi Mr Mann, thank you for your feedback.

I am trying to be succinct and I am posting with haste, because what I am actually supposed to be doing right now is working on an essay that is due in a few days time.

Firstly, I do believe Jerry's liquids are NOT rebranded Chinese dekang despite the name similarities. Jerry himself has attested to the fact that DK-Tab is a flavour, like RY4 and not a brand name. It is apparently their version of DK-Tab. I've tried both the regular Chinese DK Tab we all know about and Jerry's and I can taste a difference. If you have different information then please share it.

Secondly, I can't say much about Red Tail except I didn't really like it. It didn't sit well with me and made me feel a bit ill, and I am not sure why. Some juices have that affect on me, including vendors who have a good reputation like Pink Spot Vapor.

Most importantly, when I state that Aroma-ejuices liquids are as close to a tobacco product as you can get, I don't necessary mean to say that they are as close to an actual tobacco product or extracted from actual tobacco. I just mean to say, that subjectively, their juices mimic the affect that tobacco has on me more than juices from other vendors. It's something to do with the comprehensive throat hit you get when vaping WTA liquids. The DK -Tab actually smells like tobacco smoke in the air for me. Again this is subjective.

I have dropped back to 12 mig Nic on my WTA liquids from Aromae-juice because the 24 is too strong. My only take on this is that the synergistic properties in WTA liquids make liquids of similar strength more potent than their non WTA equivalents. I certainly don't feel like a cigarette after I have vaped Jerry's liquids whereas, in the past, I could have vaped non WTA liquid all day long and yet still have a subtle craving for an analog.

The reports I read are contained in the following link where several juices from both Vapelicious and Aroma-ejuice are reviewed. Though. upon second inspection I don't see the author of that site making a direct comparison but he seems to need to order in larger and larger doses of WTA from Vapelicious to get the equivalent WTA effect.

E Cig Juice Review: What I think of (WTA) Whole Tobacco Alkaloids

Regards

Oh, that is AaronY's blog--AaronY is the one that started the "How WTA from Aroma Make Me Feel" and the "WTA is the Future" thread. I don't know that they are Chinese for a fact, but let's be honest, if they aren't, they sure as hell taste like it. Now, the Red Tail Line tastes like an American vendor making his own juice, period! The Red Tail Line has some flavors that are, in fact, unique to Aroma. I still know people that fiend like an addict for DHT. (What is DHT? hahaha)

You write well and make more than valid points, AB. I can remember when I was in a similar situation and had it not been for Aroma, I would have never tried WTA. Jerry was more than kind to me and I was set for all I knew. After sometime, though, what once worked well for me, no longer did. I don't know what it was (maybe it was me) but the WTA in his juices began seeming more and more, I dunno, vacant. Man, I had no reason or wish to lose faith in his product--after all, I had so much of it--but I did lose faith in it. It wasn't until I tried Ethan's WTA that I realized that not only was it exactly what I wanted, it was as if even Aroma at its best (in the beginning) was still coming up short. Now, that being said, it may be due to me being able to order the higher strength, so that possibility is always there; but, the lack of any real impact (and I even increased my nic from 12 mg to 24 mg) in Aroma's WTA was not, at least in my body, imagined.

 

[AnthonyB]

Oh, that is AaronY's blog--AaronY is the one that started the "How WTA from Aroma Make Me Feel" and the "WTA is the Future" thread. I don't know that they are Chinese for a fact, but let's be honest, if they aren't, they sure as hell taste like it. Now, the Red Tail Line tastes like an American vendor making his own juice, period! The Red Tail Line has some flavors that are, in fact, unique to Aroma. I still know people that fiend like an addict for DHT. (What is DHT? hahaha)

You write well and make more than valid points, AB. I can remember when I was in a similar situation and had it not been for Aroma, I would have never tried WTA. Jerry was more than kind to me and I was set for all I knew. After sometime, though, what once worked well for me, no longer did. I don't know what it was (maybe it was me) but the WTA in his juices began seeming more and more, I dunno, vacant. Man, I had no reason or wish to lose faith in his product--after all, I had so much of it--but I did lose faith in it. It wasn't until I tried Ethan's WTA that I realized that not only was it exactly what I wanted, it was as if even Aroma at its best (in the beginning) was still coming up short. Now, that being said, it may be due to me being able to order the higher strength, so that possibility is always there; but, the lack of any real impact (and I even increased my nic from 12 mg to 24 mg) in Aroma's WTA was not, at least in my body, imagined.

Isn't that interesting that we've had opposite experiences. I have had to drop to 12 mg with Jerry's liquids because the 24mg would be too strong. The 12mg seems to be spot on now. My latest batch from Aroma e-juice came about 3 weeks ago and I am loving it. I am a great fan of natural house made tobacco extracts like those found at BWB and Vaperite, and as good as they are in terms of flavour, I will favour Aroma-ejuice liquids when I really need that 'fix' and have a mere 5 minutes or so in the office to duck out and vape. For me, they are spot on. The throat hit and the way their liquids make me feel mimic the feeling of those few drags you get out of an analog in the morning when one is in nicotine deficit. I've had an on and off relationship with analogs since I originally tried to convert to e-cigs back in 2009 and it's only in the last 3 months that I have completely stopped smoking analogs. I owe it to Aroma-eJuice.

If Ethan's liquids are 'superior' (which will always be a subjective evaluation) then all the more disappointing that I never received my product. I still am dreaming about what Ethan's Oakwood or Maui would taste like.

There could be mysteries surrounding the origins of the actual juices flavours of Aroma-ejuice (being Chinese dekang or not) but I have currently 3 bottles of dekang Dk-Tab lying around from different vendors who make no secret of the juice being dekang and they all taste the same. Jerry's Dk-Tab tastes different, much better in my opinion. The Dk-tab and Virginia remind me of cigarettes, the scent and the throat hit is so similar. They smell so much like cigarettes that occasionally, after I have vaped them, people in the office will ask me if I have slipped back into analogs because they can smell tobacco on me. That's just my take on my own personal experience. Maybe it's the WTA element that makes Jerry's Dk-Tab different, I don't know but if you were to ask Jerry where the Aroma-ejuices come from he won't tell you they are Chinese juices. Maybe the truth is somewhere in between. *shrug*

What Ethan needs is a business manager or someone to administer the more time consuming aspects of his business. But with his public open criticisms of Aroma-ejuice, backlash from the other closely named Vap-e-licious and his inability to fill paid for orders, he is of ill repute now and I certainly wouldn't deal with him on anything but a Cash on Delivery basis in the future even if he did restore his business. He is better off selling his product wholesale to another vendor who can handle order filling, enquiries,payments and general administration.

Regards

Oh, that is AaronY's blog--AaronY is the one that started the "How WTA from Aroma Make Me Feel" and the "WTA is the Future" thread. I don't know that they are Chinese for a fact, but let's be honest, if they aren't, they sure as hell taste like it. Now, the Red Tail Line tastes like an American vendor making his own juice, period! The Red Tail Line has some flavors that are, in fact, unique to Aroma. I still know people that fiend like an addict for DHT. (What is DHT? hahaha)

You write well and make more than valid points, AB. I can remember when I was in a similar situation and had it not been for Aroma, I would have never tried WTA. Jerry was more than kind to me and I was set for all I knew. After sometime, though, what once worked well for me, no longer did. I don't know what it was (maybe it was me) but the WTA in his juices began seeming more and more, I dunno, vacant. Man, I had no reason or wish to lose faith in his product--after all, I had so much of it--but I did lose faith in it. It wasn't until I tried Ethan's WTA that I realized that not only was it exactly what I wanted, it was as if even Aroma at its best (in the beginning) was still coming up short. Now, that being said, it may be due to me being able to order the higher strength, so that possibility is always there; but, the lack of any real impact (and I even increased my nic from 12 mg to 24 mg) in Aroma's WTA was not, at least in my body, imagined.

 

[Mr.Mann]

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As much as I don't want to do this, I must stop my participation in the manner that is has gone. I love to help, and I should keep it that way. I have been posting as if this was personal messaging, and for that, I am sorry. I take this post down on my own volition.

At the end of the night, what I think we need is more than a binary choice of WTA, period! I don't watch tennis but this is exactly like that. The worst part of it all is that I am a person who can benefit from WTA at very unique points of the day. I just wish it wasn't so unique. I hope the new kids on the block, yet to go live, will do it right. It's probably an e-Pipe dream!