Vapelicious?

[Sighlense]

Look, the bottom line is this, for everyone. He's not a business person

This was evident after reading the first two pages of this thread. I don't know why you continue to have this guys back so vehemently. Bottom line is, if you can't fill orders then quit taking more. Better yet, quit taking their money until you CAN fill them. And, if anyone continues to order from this guy they are crazy given his bad history report, and get what they deserve.

 

[redrose]

This was evident after reading the first two pages of this thread. I don't know why you continue to have this guys back so vehemently. Bottom line is, if you can't fill orders then quit taking more. Better yet, quit taking their money until you CAN fill them. And, if anyone continues to order from this guy they are crazy given his bad history report, and get what they deserve.

It's because when he announces he has WTA, he is bombarded with orders. And he's been custom making flavors to spec. He also uses flavoring from Europe, that takes a long time to get a re-order. He uses 10 different flavors in my favorite, it doesn't even have a name, just numbers. Never had a problem with any subsequent orders. Anyone is free to not order from him.

It is buyer beware, not bad history. This is it when you choose to order from him. Bad-mouthing him when you could've known goin in, stops being shame on him.

And truthfully, what difference is there between waiting to get a flavor you can vape out of the envelope, and getting something in a week that you have to "steep" for months?

 

[redrose]

I will say this, when I first vaped x-tra high WTA from Vapelicious (DIY.WTA), not only did I not think about smoking, I couldn't even think about vaping afterwards! After those first two inahles I just plopped down diagonally across the bed and looked up at the ceiling. Man, I thought I knew about WTA, but I had no idea! I seriously had about 3.5 mL (used one atty for it) and that lasted me about a month. And here's the kicker, I used it about everyday. Do the math on that one. hahahaha

Now, if snus can work half as well as that, it will be awesome.

This is just about right. I got 36 ml DIY at the end of November. After giving most of it away, and still having some left, that math works. When I tried to re-order it a couple of months back, he told me I had more than he did

 

[Andtyler2]

I will say this, when I first vaped x-tra high WTA from Vapelicious (DIY.WTA), not only did I not think about smoking, I couldn't even think about vaping afterwards! After those first two inahles I just plopped down diagonally across the bed and looked up at the ceiling. Man, I thought I knew about WTA, but I had no idea! I seriously had about 3.5 mL (used one atty for it) and that lasted me about a month. And here's the kicker, I used it about everyday. Do the math on that one. hahahaha

Now, if snus can work half as well as that, it will be awesome.

LOL. No way. At least not for me. Snus offers a little tranquilizing relief not, um . . . . bliss? Sounds like they should require a script for whatever was in that bottle!

Great post! I tried snus a few times, but it burned my gums too much. I was soft, and smoked.

Redrose, I had that problem, too, initially. Someone gave me a wintergreen portion and I thought it would burn a hole through my cheek. I eased into snus with General mini mints. Mini's tend to have a lower nic content (though there are mini portions that are stronger such as the Thunder frosted brand.) The General mini is a white portion, too, so it releases more slowly and your mouth isn't deluged with tobacco juice. You can pop the portion in and out. There's a little compartment on the top of every snus can where you can park it if you need to titrate your nicotine level or it's burning your mouth. It's a little gross, I guess (my coworkers say it looks like "a cat turd" ) but not nearly as gross as those times when you ripped off the end of a cigarette because you didn't have time to finish it (and then shoved it in the pack next to all the fresh ones or--worse--wrapped it in a tissue and dropped it in your pocket.)

General brand is readily available in any decent tobacco shop. Just make sure they are keeping it refrigerated and check the expiration date. You can also buy it online. It's relatively inexpensive though the price went up when the tobacco act kicked in a couple years back. (So many geniuses in government: "I've got an idea! Let's raise a little revenue. We can stick it to people who are trying to improve their health by switching to a harm-reducing tobacco product and tax the hell out of them! Meanwhile, despite long-standing evidence to the contrary, we'll scare the crap out of them by requiring that all the labels contain dire warnings telling them what will happen if they use it. Win win. We make a little money AND we come off smelling righteous.") Anyway . . . if you want to give it another shot, I'd start with a General mini-mint white portion and see if that works better.

Helluva post! You strike me as having similar ways of experiencing all of this, though I have never had anything under my lip.

May be worth a try just for comparison's sake. It's part of my everyday survival kit--my go-to option when even stealth vaping is impossible. (Too bad it won't send any of us into a ceiling-gazing reverie. Now THAT would be an excellent mood-enhancer/bummer-defeater, no?)

 

[AnthonyB]

I will say this, when I first vaped x-tra high WTA from Vapelicious (DIY.WTA), not only did I not think about smoking, I couldn't even think about vaping afterwards! After those first two inahles I just plopped down diagonally across the bed and looked up at the ceiling. Man, I thought I knew about WTA, but I had no idea! I seriously had about 3.5 mL (used one atty for it) and that lasted me about a month. And here's the kicker, I used it about everyday. Do the math on that one. hahahaha

Now, if snus can work half as well as that, it will be awesome.

Anything that makes you lay back and look at the ceiling surely needs to be questioned. I don't ever recall cigarettes doing that. Are you sure it's WTA he is putting in his liquids? lol.

 

[AnthonyB]

It's because when he announces he has WTA, he is bombarded with orders. And he's been custom making flavors to spec. He also uses flavoring from Europe, that takes a long time to get a re-order. He uses 10 different flavors in my favorite, it doesn't even have a name, just numbers. Never had a problem with any subsequent orders. Anyone is free to not order from him.

It is buyer beware, not bad history. This is it when you choose to order from him. Bad-mouthing him when you could've known goin in, stops being shame on him.

And truthfully, what difference is there between waiting to get a flavor you can vape out of the envelope, and getting something in a week that you have to "steep" for months?

Buyer beware? I wasn't told my liquids would take months. I was told he was brewing them for me and not only would he be shipping them, but he *had* shipped them. Buyer beware is a valid statement but in truth, if the buyer is well and truly aware of the risk of never receiving their order from Ethan Huff, well lets just say the only person who would be vaping his liquids is himself.

Bad mouthing him is about using the openness and exposure of a forum like ECF as a medium for information exchange. It is mediums like ECF and the leverage information carries that gives us such wonderful liquids, accessories and service from the other vendors who sell e-liquids.

What you call bad mouthing I call information. If I see somebody walking down the street approaching people and taking their money on false promises you can be damn sure that when that person approaches the next person to warn them.

Vaping is not a regulated industry so there are many inherent risks of doing business with strangers over the internet. Forums like ECF keep people honest because of the feedback provided. It's the ONLY reason that vendors are usually very honest, reliable and offer good service in an unregulated industry like vaping.

 

[AnthonyB]

For the record, I don't believe I am a one off case. I conducted searches on vapelicious on google and within ECF's search function and I've seen other posts by people puzzled as to why they never received their order from Vapelicious. I am guessing that for everyone who has posted about not ever having received their order there must be others who have let it all go and resigned themselves to having been duped for placing an order with a stranger over the internet and stayed quiet on the whole subject.

There is also a good chance that many of the people currently holding out for orders, (or a refund) for orders place 3-6 months ago will not get any liquids or any refund from Vapelicious. How's that for Buyer Beware?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Anything that makes you lay back and look at the ceiling surely needs to be questioned. I don't ever recall cigarettes doing that. Are you sure it's WTA he is putting in his liquids? lol.

Honestly, part of what I am saying is, well, no, it is how it happened, LOL. First, you have to understand that I hadn't had a cigarette in a long time, but was still, not necessarily desiring them, but almost in need of them. What happened that night was like, well, have you ever smoked a cig after awhile away from them and smoked it way too fast? Well, it was sort of like that. Part of me looking up at the ceiling was just that I felt so good, or rather, I wasn't spun from my over-vaping. I am not saying I was, err, inebriated, but I am saying that supposed "calming effect" of WTA had really hit home.

**In the beginning when I vaped Aroma juice, I had a similar, albeit less intense experience, but this was next level. All that said, I will probably never try an order again from Ethan again--the thought of waiting that long again just pains me and I am too funny with the money nowadays. That liquid was from a friend, but I am happy I got the chance to vape his product because it was more than special.

Unless I get some of Ethan's liquid from a friend, my WTA ordering days are likely over. (Maybe?)

**Like I have said before, I did like Aroma, but after awhile (maybe it was me), the WTA seemed less and less, I dunno, effective? But, when I first had it, these were some of my thoughts exactly a year ago (wow, what a difference a year makes):

These are my thoughts on the Aroma WTA RED TAIL Dark Honey Tobacco:


After vaping it I noticed a subtle lightheadedness, my eyes were like blinds slightly drawn, and my mood seemed to be really chill. Placebo? I don't think so!

 

[redrose]

For the record, I don't believe I am a one off case. I conducted searches on vapelicious on google and within ECF's search function and I've seen other posts by people puzzled as to why they never received their order from Vapelicious. I am guessing that for everyone who has posted about not ever having received their order there must be others who have let it all go and resigned themselves to having been duped for placing an order with a stranger over the internet and stayed quiet on the whole subject.

There is also a good chance that many of the people currently holding out for orders, (or a refund) for orders place 3-6 months ago will not get any liquids or any refund from Vapelicious. How's that for Buyer Beware?

Well, we're all sitting here and "all those people" aren't lining up to post. The people who were waiting in older threads, got theirs and some have posted that they stopped smoking with it.

By buyer beware, I meant that a search here would reveal that people wait a long time.

I said I would ask Ethan about your order, and you clearly couldn't wait to continue your rant. Perhaps you are the person in Australia that he sent the order to twice, he's checking.

 

[eikon]

so after 4 months of waiting, and posting various complaints, Ethan decided that I was not worthy of his juice and offered me a refund. I finally got said refund the other day, in the form of a Western Union Money Order!!!??. I have said it before, he may be a "Master" at flavors, but he has no fracking business being in business.

I am starting to get the feeling that redrose should have to register as a "supplier associate", but alas, she can't as Vapelicious and Ethan have been ban from ECF, so sad...

 

[Faylool]

I wonder if Rednose gets her juice in a timely manner....

 

[hittman]

Tyler mentioned the PACT act that was passed a couple years ago. It basically doesn't allow tobacco to be shipped via USPS. It is shipped via ups and requires an adult signature which raised the shipping cost to a much higher level. The real losers on the deal were the American Indian people here in the US that we're shipping their cigarettes and cigars via USPS.

 

[AnthonyB]

Well, we're all sitting here and "all those people" aren't lining up to post. The people who were waiting in older threads, got theirs and some have posted that they stopped smoking with it.

By buyer beware, I meant that a search here would reveal that people wait a long time.

I said I would ask Ethan about your order, and you clearly couldn't wait to continue your rant. Perhaps you are the person in Australia that he sent the order to twice, he's checking.

I really appreciate your efforts Redrose. I have no qualms with you, or even Ethan if he eventually sends the liquids.

Redrose, I tell you what. If Ethan sends my order I will publicly and openly make a statement that I got my order and I will also make commentary on my experience with his juices. Hows that?

It's very unlikely that he sent my order twice and it never arrived. Almost impossible. I have ordered a plethora of liquids from many vendors and never has one been seized or lost. Also, when Ethan initially told me he sent my order and it must have never arrived, he subsequently told me that I had to be patient and wait after a further 6 weeks. Then I never heard anything from him despite numerous emails. So my take on it is that order never got sent.

To add to this I would say that if a vendor sends liquids and they got lost in the mail they will usually make a fairly big deal about it and usually not refund or send again because most vendors take no responsibility for lost orders once they have posted it. This is due to the potential for confiscation by customs in some countries. When I had notified Ethan I still hadn't received it he was fairly mild and relaxed about it saying 'oh it must have got lost, I will send it again'. I even agreed to pay half of the total bill again if that was what happened but he didn't respond to that offer. He just didn't respond anymore period.

AK

 

[Mr.Mann]

I feel a little saddened that I wrote the line "[a]fter those first two inhales I just plopped down diagonally across the bed and looked up at the ceiling" because I know how that makes it look, and no, don't take it as then I reached for some Visine and a bag of Cheetos. NO, I am not saying I was inebriated, but as has been stated on both websites that customers report a "calming effect," that is indeed what it was, though it was very calming! LOL

This brings me to my oft repeated gripe/point: if I cannot say what the mg of WTA is, all I know is that x-tra high is just x-tra high--the different levels are not what I want necessarily, but it's close enough to percentages. If one goes back and reads the original, old, threads about WTA, or was there like Hittman, one would be able to attest to similar reports when the originator first made his liquids--this is not unheard of, some "foreign" substance, or even not to be expected when vaping a (super) high mg of WTA. I think the biggest problem is that most have only had and gotten accustomed to, and for reasonable reasons, a WTA from a vendor that has a standard level.

 

[hittman]

I don't know for sure but have assumed that the wta from aroma has the same alkaloid spread as you would find in tobacco which would be nicotine making up 95% and the other minor alkaloids making up the other 5%. I would guess that the extra high you mentioned had a higher concentration of the minor alkaloids. I do know from a previous discussion on the topic that aroma puts the same amount of minor alkaloids in the 12 and 24mg liquids.

Once again I don't know for sure but believe that the 30mg wta that Dvap made and I used had a higher concentration. I've never gotten an inebriated feeling from any wta. What I consider to be over use of it makes me too relaxed.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I don't know for sure but have assumed that the wta from aroma has the same alkaloid spread as you would find in tobacco which would be nicotine making up 95% and the other minor alkaloids making up the other 5%. I would guess that the extra high you mentioned had a higher concentration of the minor alkaloids. I do know from a previous discussion on the topic that aroma puts the same amount of minor alkaloids in the 12 and 24mg liquids.

Once again I don't know for sure but believe that the 30mg wta that Dvap made and I used had a higher concentration. I've never gotten an inebriated feeling from any wta. What I consider to be over use of it makes me too relaxed.

Yep, "too relaxed" is what I was getting at because like I said, I wasn't inebriated. Now, I saw a post on VF where Dvap "mixed down" and "vaped... 48 mg/mL WTA." I would have to say, other than for the sake of research, that is damn near scary. In his take on that, well, it was a little more than too relaxed, haha.

And yes, I do remember seeing or hearing that the 5% approach is how that works with Aroma--I think that is an admirable approach. But, like you said, the same goes into a 12 mg as a 24-26 mg (I think P-38 was offered in 26 mg) and 5% of different nicotine percentages would necessitate a lowering or raising of the level. It's all a moot point, really, but I do find it interesting.

 

[PLANofMAN]

I will say this, when I first vaped x-tra high WTA from Vapelicious (DIY.WTA), not only did I not think about smoking, I couldn't even think about vaping afterwards! After those first two inahles I just plopped down diagonally across the bed and looked up at the ceiling. Man, I thought I knew about WTA, but I had no idea! I seriously had about 3.5 mL (used one atty for it) and that lasted me about a month. And here's the kicker, I used it about everyday. Do the math on that one. hahahaha

Now, if snus can work half as well as that, it will be awesome.

Honestly, part of what I am saying is, well, no, it is how it happened, LOL. First, you have to understand that I hadn't had a cigarette in a long time, but was still, not necessarily desiring them, but almost in need of them. What happened that night was like, well, have you ever smoked a cig after awhile away from them and smoked it way too fast? Well, it was sort of like that. Part of me looking up at the ceiling was just that I felt so good, or rather, I wasn't spun from my over-vaping. I am not saying I was, err, inebriated, but I am saying that supposed "calming effect" of WTA had really hit home.

**In the beginning when I vaped Aroma juice, I had a similar, albeit less intense experience, but this was next level. All that said, I will probably never try an order again from Ethan again--the thought of waiting that long again just pains me and I am too funny with the money nowadays. That liquid was from a friend, but I am happy I got the chance to vape his product because it was more than special.

Unless I get some of Ethan's liquid from a friend, my WTA ordering days are likely over. (Maybe?)

**Like I have said before, I did like Aroma, but after awhile (maybe it was me), the WTA seemed less and less, I dunno, effective? But, when I first had it, these were some of my thoughts exactly a year ago (wow, what a difference a year makes):

I could say that when I first started smoking, the nicotine seemed less and less, I dunno, effective? until I was up to a pack a day.

I have read similar stories from people who have tried Ethan's WTA and in every case, I remember thinking, I never got that kind of a reaction, even after I smoked after quitting for several days, or even from when I first started smoking. So I have to ask, is getting a pack to a carton's worth of tobacco alkaloids in one vape session something that we should want or encourage? I remember when I first got Jerry's (Aroma E-Juice) WTA, and I ignored the instructions about shaking the bottle up. That last couple of ml packed a punch. Every bottle I have gotten since then, I have shaken well. Why? because I don't need something that makes me feel better than smoking a cigarette. I just need something that cuts down on the urges while I get myself over that hump. More "mellow and relaxed" while nice, isn't necessary, and I have to wonder if chasing that dragon won't cause more problems for ex-smokers than it solves. I've been vaping nothing but WTA juices for the last 2 months and it has gotten me off of the cigarettes (for about two weeks now). Now I'm in the process of cutting back on my WTA and switching to the same flavor non-WTA juices.

Before I started using WTA, when I was in the process of deciding who I would order from, I came across this thread that Ethan from Vapelicious started. Want to Try Whole Tobacco Alkaloid eLiquid? You know what they say about first impressions. I walked away from that thread with a bad taste in my mouth and I will not do business with someone who disrespects not only his competition, but also Dvap, who pioneered this process.

I do think it's funny that the only two vendors who offer WTA have such different operations. Aroma has a reputation for being the quickest shipper in the ejuice industry, while Vapelicious has the slowest order fulfillment of anyone...except Jbox.

I'm biased, I'll admit it. But it was a bias brought about through reading what both Ethan and Jerry have written about themselves, their customers, and their competition, not through reading reviews about their products or other people's comments.

EDIT: To my knowledge, Jerry has never written anything negative about Ethan or Vapelicious, the same cannot be said of Ethan.

 

[redrose]

so after 4 months of waiting, and posting various complaints, Ethan decided that I was not worthy of his juice and offered me a refund. I finally got said refund the other day, in the form of a Western Union Money Order!!!??. I have said it before, he may be a "Master" at flavors, but he has no fracking business being in business.

I am starting to get the feeling that redrose should have to register as a "supplier associate", but alas, she can't as Vapelicious and Ethan have been ban from ECF, so sad...

It amazes me that as soon as someone gets resolution, they ..... anyway. And then some just lie. I did not mention you to Ethan as I've never had any contact with you.

I am not an associate of Ethan. I am a customer who also waited a long time for my first order. I didn't post inflammatory remarks about him while I waited. I was involved in another thread with others waiting, where we kept each other posted, Because his product is the only thing that stops me from smoking, and tastes like it ought to, I re-order quickly and am in touch with him frequently. When orders are customized, there is a two way communication in place to create it. I also treat him respect, as I do most people I deal with.

I wonder if Rednose gets her juice in a timely manner....

Well Fayfool, I get my orders the same way as everyone else . I wait the same time as everyone else. When he's not bombarded, I get it quickly, as YOU did. I didn't do a charge back however as you later did, and then try to punish him for my action. I anxiously waited as I was advised I would.

I came on this thread to let people know my experience, and to re-assure anyone concerned that Ethan hasn't run away with their money. I don't back down to bullies. Either move on, as you have nothing more to contribute, or wait till he re-opens and buy what he has ready made.

 

[redrose]

I don't know for sure but have assumed that the wta from aroma has the same alkaloid spread as you would find in tobacco which would be nicotine making up 95% and the other minor alkaloids making up the other 5%. I would guess that the extra high you mentioned had a higher concentration of the minor alkaloids. I do know from a previous discussion on the topic that aroma puts the same amount of minor alkaloids in the 12 and 24mg liquids.

Once again I don't know for sure but believe that the 30mg wta that Dvap made and I used had a higher concentration. I've never gotten an inebriated feeling from any wta. What I consider to be over use of it makes me too relaxed.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I do get that "too relaxed" feeling when I first vape DIY, that is straight DIY without adding the percent of flavoring called for. Since Ethan uses the percent of nic, with higher nic having more WTA to keep the ratio correct, DIY alone has higher nic and WTA than I am used to. I just feel satisfied, as like having a cig when the ratio's are what they are supposed to be.

 

[redrose]

I could say that when I first started smoking, the nicotine seemed less and less, I dunno, effective? until I was up to a pack a day.

I have read similar stories from people who have tried Ethan's WTA and in every case, I remember thinking, I never got that kind of a reaction, even after I smoked after quitting for several days, or even from when I first started smoking. So I have to ask, is getting a pack to a carton's worth of tobacco alkaloids in one vape session something that we should want or encourage? I remember when I first got Jerry's (Aroma E-Juice) WTA, and I ignored the instructions about shaking the bottle up. That last couple of ml packed a punch. Every bottle I have gotten since then, I have shaken well. Why? because I don't need something that makes me feel better than smoking a cigarette. I just need something that cuts down on the urges while I get myself over that hump. More "mellow and relaxed" while nice, isn't necessary, and I have to wonder if chasing that dragon won't cause more problems for ex-smokers than it solves. I've been vaping nothing but WTA juices for the last 2 months and it has gotten me off of the cigarettes (for about two weeks now). Now I'm in the process of cutting back on my WTA and switching to the same flavor non-WTA juices.

Before I started using WTA, when I was in the process of deciding who I would order from, I came across this thread that Ethan from Vapelicious started. Want to Try Whole Tobacco Alkaloid eLiquid? You know what they say about first impressions. I walked away from that thread with a bad taste in my mouth and I will not do business with someone who disrespects not only his competition, but also Dvap, who pioneered this process.

I do think it's funny that the only two vendors who offer WTA have such different operations. Aroma has a reputation for being the quickest shipper in the ejuice industry, while Vapelicious has the slowest order fulfillment of anyone...except Jbox.

I'm biased, I'll admit it. But it was a bias brought about through reading what both Ethan and Jerry have written about themselves, their customers, and their competition, not through reading reviews about their products or other people's comments.

EDIT: To my knowledge, Jerry has never written anything negative about Ethan or Vapelicious, the same cannot be said of Ethan.

I think I answered above why people report a different feeling than they get from a cigarette. It's with DIY WTA used as straight vape. As for your last sentence tho, I have read terrible things Jerry wrote about Ethan and Vapelicious on other forums, that may have been edited out later, he's just not allowed to do it here. And if someone sent someone to spy on me, and impune me, I'd react much like Ethan did. I don't think he's proud of it, but it was in reaction.

Look, there is room for both vendors. It should be that people come to their own decision based on trying both, as it is in every other aspect of vaping.

If it turns out that one is a better product, perhaps the other will up their game.