I keep hearing about the new kids on the block. Do we know much about them? Is this like Planet X syndrome or is there a new contender out there getting ready to sell WTA liquid?
Vapelicious?
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Okay, so from this point on, I will do what I do best and holler at you in the alley!
Incoming..........
i got some via another "advanced" place....
sweet bacco is great!!
their gooey cake OMG i love gooey cake and nom nom!!
their bottles have hearts for dots, very cute, so yes i would go and order some.
sweet bacco is great!!
their gooey cake OMG i love gooey cake and nom nom!!
their bottles have hearts for dots, very cute, so yes i would go and order some.
All I can say is aroma supposedly shipped my order the same day, yesterday. I'll see when it actually arrives. I can't even order from vapelicious any more. But hopefully aroma gives me a good wta experience and I can quit. I will definitely be trying vapelicious once the issues are resolved as if this wta works for me I'll want to try them all.
Vapelicious is definitely cheaper. Not sure how their extra wta compares to aroma. They also offer bigger bottles but that doesn't matter right now because you can't even get the small ones.
Vapelicious is definitely cheaper. Not sure how their extra wta compares to aroma. They also offer bigger bottles but that doesn't matter right now because you can't even get the small ones.
I saw my name mentioned a little while back and thought I'd pop in and read thru the thread. Yes, like mr Mann said, I've been somewhat involved with wta since its first days. Dvap was generous enough to let me try it when he first started doing extractions. I still dream of the 30mg unflavored wta that Dvap made for me. That being said, I would like to be upfront that I like aroma's liquids and that I think Jerry is a real stand up guy. I've never ordered from Ethan and won't comment on him or his business model.
I've been using Swedish snus for over three years now and will offer any advice that I can on that subject. Like Mr. Mann said, stubby is the resident guru and has a much larger knowledge base than I do. Anyone interested is more than welcome to post in the smokeless section. We're a pretty friendly bunch there.
I've been using Swedish snus for over three years now and will offer any advice that I can on that subject. Like Mr. Mann said, stubby is the resident guru and has a much larger knowledge base than I do. Anyone interested is more than welcome to post in the smokeless section. We're a pretty friendly bunch there.
Thanks for stopping by, Hittman!
I think one of the biggest problems around here is that so many of the original heads, like yourself, went though so much back and forth in the beginning, these topics are uber played out for you all. For instance, I just recently did a little digging and found out that even Dvap is still around. That just blows my mind because he was always, to me, such a mythical person. Man, I sure wish I wouldn't have been just a lurker in those days and would've became a member much earlier!
You vouching for Jerry's WTA is more than just another vaper chiming in since you were an original tester. However, setting aside Jerry's WTA, I would pay obscene money to have some of that 30 mg WTA from the man himself! Sheesh, it must've been nice. Those days it seemed as if no question was off limits and no answer was incapable of being provided!
You have always been a straight-shooter, even on other shoot-em' up forums, so I, for one, am always happy to see one of the OGs (LOL) posting in the largely novice area of the forum.
I tried a couple of the other forums but they were a little raw for me. I haven't heard from Dvap in a while and am glad to hear he's still around. Where did you see him post lately?
You're right about it being a little played out for me but I still hold a firm belief that Wta can help people that are struggling. I'm not saying its for everyone but it has made the difference for some who needed it. I have noticed lately that there has been some new interest in snus in the smokeless forum.
You're right about it being a little played out for me but I still hold a firm belief that Wta can help people that are struggling. I'm not saying its for everyone but it has made the difference for some who needed it. I have noticed lately that there has been some new interest in snus in the smokeless forum.
Edit***His page said latest activity "yesterday" but there was no post since last year, I think.
Testing, IMO, should still be the final frontier for WTA vendors. I have heard and read all the, "show me yours," "no, you show me yours" back and forth about testing, but as far as I know, no posting has happened from anyone selling WTA.
You coming here has sparked a curiosity in me with snus because, BS aside, there is no BS, period! All the tests, and more, have been done and there is a wealth of information out there.
The only reason that I had a resurgence of interest in WTA is that after I had V's WTA/DIY, I realized that sometimes, especially if I have vaped myself too stimulated, those alkaloids do it for me.
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Snus has been around a long time and the Swedish people take it very serious. It is regulated as stringent as a food product and if it doesn't meet the safety requirements then it can't be sold. Unfortunately vaping and wta haven't been around long enough to have the history and long term studies yet but more is becoming available. I won't pretend to know about what testing should or shouldn't be done on liquids and wta. I do know however how they make me feel and which to use for the desired result.
Edit***Dvap's page said latest activity "yesterday" but there was no post since last year, I think.
Did Dvap manufacturing WTA or just develop it? If Dvap has gone quiet and is not manufacturing it, then where are vendors such as Ethan Huff getting it from? I thought China would have been all over WTA but as far as I can see, there are no Chinese enterprises selling WTA liquids. That is where vaping consumers such as myself who are not Americans will need to get their products from if the FDA gets its way and regulates the industry.
I guess you would say that Dvap came up with the idea and was able to follow thru since he's a professional chemist. He never had any interest in marketing it himself. I too am surprised that the Chinese manufacturers haven't latched onto the idea yet. I figured by now there would be several vendors jumping on the bandwagon.
Maybe this is a testament to how ingenious of an idea Dvap had.
The coolest part to what was done is that it was all laid out, not necessarily in a single post, but he provided anyone with the technical know-how the ability to do it. That type of thing, now, and even back then was unheard of. I posted some links to what Dvap was up to a few posts back.
As for the Chinese not doing it, I, too, am surprised, but they must not feel it is profitable enough. All the money is in devices.
Helpful info, Redrose and Mr. Mann. I did notice that flavorless was hard to snag at Aroma. (And that the quantities/bottle sizes were smaller). I've tried several times over the last 6 months with no luck.
Offering more choices (in terms of quantity/strength) is great from the perspective of a consumer. But the limited options available from Aroma (and--with respect to flavorless--even the number of bottles you can order) also might make it easier for them to keep better control of their inventory and serve customers more efficiently.
I do appreciate the fact that the Aroma site specifies what is and isn't in stock. If it ain't in stock, you can't order it plain and simple. On the other hand, when Ethan announces that he's getting a new batch in, there is no way of knowing whether it's basically already spoken for and will go toward filling however many back orders. He could avoid confusion by configuring the website to only permit in-stock orders. That means he wouldn't get as much money up front. But it would also avoid a lot of headaches and stress. And it would spare his customers the hassle of bugging him (and Redrose
) for info on their orders.
I haven't received my order from Ethan yet. And I haven't tried Aroma, though I did place my first order a few days back. So I can't really speak to a difference in quality. But just judging from the feedback on this thread, it looks like the take-away is: If you want WTA in larger quantities and you can afford to wait (perhaps indefinitely but at least several months), order from Vapelicious. If you think you can get by with smaller quantities, are willing to pay a higher price per ml, and want the stuff to arrive relatively quickly, go with Aroma.
I haven't vaped flavored juice in years so it'll be interesting to see how it works for me. I might try to dilute the flavors and hope I'll still benefit from a reduced % of WTA. If that doesn't work, I'll try dripping the WTA liquids sparingly on 510 attys in between tanks of my usual flavorless. (I sure hope they don't taste like those toxic DK liquids from China.) We'll see how it goes.
Offering more choices (in terms of quantity/strength) is great from the perspective of a consumer. But the limited options available from Aroma (and--with respect to flavorless--even the number of bottles you can order) also might make it easier for them to keep better control of their inventory and serve customers more efficiently.
I do appreciate the fact that the Aroma site specifies what is and isn't in stock. If it ain't in stock, you can't order it plain and simple. On the other hand, when Ethan announces that he's getting a new batch in, there is no way of knowing whether it's basically already spoken for and will go toward filling however many back orders. He could avoid confusion by configuring the website to only permit in-stock orders. That means he wouldn't get as much money up front. But it would also avoid a lot of headaches and stress. And it would spare his customers the hassle of bugging him (and Redrose
) for info on their orders. I haven't received my order from Ethan yet. And I haven't tried Aroma, though I did place my first order a few days back. So I can't really speak to a difference in quality. But just judging from the feedback on this thread, it looks like the take-away is: If you want WTA in larger quantities and you can afford to wait (perhaps indefinitely but at least several months), order from Vapelicious. If you think you can get by with smaller quantities, are willing to pay a higher price per ml, and want the stuff to arrive relatively quickly, go with Aroma.
I haven't vaped flavored juice in years so it'll be interesting to see how it works for me. I might try to dilute the flavors and hope I'll still benefit from a reduced % of WTA. If that doesn't work, I'll try dripping the WTA liquids sparingly on 510 attys in between tanks of my usual flavorless. (I sure hope they don't taste like those toxic DK liquids from China.) We'll see how it goes.
Helpful info, Redrose and Mr. Mann. I did notice that flavorless was hard to snag at Aroma. (And that the quantities/bottle sizes were smaller). I've tried several times over the last 6 months with no luck.
Offering more choices (in terms of quantity/strength) is great from the perspective of a consumer. But the limited options available from Aroma (and--with respect to flavorless--even the number of bottles you can order) also might make it easier for them to keep better control of their inventory and serve customers more efficiently.
I do appreciate the fact that the Aroma site specifies what is and isn't in stock. If it ain't in stock, you can't order it plain and simple. On the other hand, when Ethan announces that he's getting a new batch in, there is no way of knowing whether it's basically already spoken for and will go toward filling however many back orders. He could avoid confusion by configuring the website to only permit in-stock orders. That means he wouldn't get as much money up front. But it would also avoid a lot of headaches and stress. And it would spare his customers the hassle of bugging him (and Redrose
I haven't received my order from Ethan yet. And I haven't tried Aroma, though I did place my first order a few days back. So I can't really speak to a difference in quality. But just judging from the feedback on this thread, it looks like the take-away is: If you want WTA in larger quantities and you can afford to wait (perhaps indefinitely but at least several months), order from Vapelicious. If you think you can get by with smaller quantities, are willing to pay a higher price per ml, and want the stuff to arrive relatively quickly, go with Aroma.
I haven't vaped flavored juice in years so it'll be interesting to see how it works for me. I might try to dilute the flavors and hope I'll still benefit from a reduced % of WTA. If that doesn't work, I'll try dripping the WTA liquids sparingly on 510 attys in between tanks of my usual flavorless. (I sure hope they don't taste like those toxic DK liquids from China.) We'll see how it goes.
See your a snus user. Nice.
Really good assessment of the thread--you clearly read it!
Helpful info, Redrose and Mr. Mann. I did notice that flavorless was hard to snag at Aroma. (And that the quantities/bottle sizes were smaller). I've tried several times over the last 6 months with no luck.
Offering more choices (in terms of quantity/strength) is great from the perspective of a consumer. But the limited options available from Aroma (and--with respect to flavorless--even the number of bottles you can order) also might make it easier for them to keep better control of their inventory and serve customers more efficiently.
I do appreciate the fact that the Aroma site specifies what is and isn't in stock. If it ain't in stock, you can't order it plain and simple. On the other hand, when Ethan announces that he's getting a new batch in, there is no way of knowing whether it's basically already spoken for and will go toward filling however many back orders. He could avoid confusion by configuring the website to only permit in-stock orders. That means he wouldn't get as much money up front. But it would also avoid a lot of headaches and stress. And it would spare his customers the hassle of bugging him (and Redrose
I haven't received my order from Ethan yet. And I haven't tried Aroma, though I did place my first order a few days back. So I can't really speak to a difference in quality. But just judging from the feedback on this thread, it looks like the take-away is: If you want WTA in larger quantities and you can afford to wait (perhaps indefinitely but at least several months), order from Vapelicious. If you think you can get by with smaller quantities, are willing to pay a higher price per ml, and want the stuff to arrive relatively quickly, go with Aroma.
I haven't vaped flavored juice in years so it'll be interesting to see how it works for me. I might try to dilute the flavors and hope I'll still benefit from a reduced % of WTA. If that doesn't work, I'll try dripping the WTA liquids sparingly on 510 attys in between tanks of my usual flavorless. (I sure hope they don't taste like those toxic DK liquids from China.) We'll see how it goes.
Since you quoted me, I'll say you're close. I don't think there is any comparison in the quality of the WTA or the flavors. Nor that ppl wait because it's a little cheaper. I've read about people who tried Aroma and liked it but never tried Vapelicious. I've read about people who tried Aroma and didn't think WTA worked for them. I've read about people who had both and stopped smoking with Vapelicious.
I don't remember reading about anyone who had both and thought Aroma was the superior product.
Thanks. I've been around for a while but only pop in occasionally and only post in binges (this WTA business obviously being one of them).
I do use snus (around 2 to 4 pieces daily, depending upon whether I'm carrying regular, mini, or extra-strong mini portions.) My experience has been that snus adds back a bit of what's missing for me in e-liquid. The nicotine hit is quite variable. If I keep a stronger portion in too long, I can develop the hiccups or get nauseous. Regular portions also have a different effect compared to the drier white portions because the nicotine is released more quickly. There is definitely a learning curve, just as there is when you start vaping and have to experiment with different flavors, strengths, and set-ups to find what works best. It's worth taking a little time to educate yourself beforehand so that you know all the options and don't end up buying ersatz garbage. As you've already noted, all the fine folks in the "what's under your lip" crowd can provide a wealth of info for anyone interested in learning more. Some of the online snus vendors and snus forums also offer lots of information and links to tutorials. It's a whole 'nother world . . . .
Snus has been a godsend for me when traveling and also at work. I don't have the opportunity to take many breaks and vaping is specifically forbidden at my workplace ( I manage to do it anyway, in snatches--one of the advantages of using flavorless/odorless/low-vapor liquid). It has definitely helped keep me off cigarettes for the last 4 years.
While snus definitely smooths out the rough edges and helps me stay calmer at work, I still seem to crave the physical act of vaping. Neither snus nor vaping--individually or in combination--does the trick for me. Thus, my interest in WTA. I'm hoping that if I can find a good WTA liquid, I might actually vape less at home and can drop my nic level. Worth a try. Now I just need to get my hands on some.
Helluva post! You strike me as having similar ways of experiencing all of this, though I have never had anything under my lip.
Great post! I tried snus a few times, but it burned my gums too much. I was soft, and smoked.
I will say this, when I first vaped x-tra high WTA from Vapelicious (DIY.WTA), not only did I not think about smoking, I couldn't even think about vaping afterwards! After those first two inahles I just plopped down diagonally across the bed and looked up at the ceiling. Man, I thought I knew about WTA, but I had no idea! I seriously had about 3.5 mL (used one atty for it) and that lasted me about a month. And here's the kicker, I used it about everyday. Do the math on that one. hahahaha
Now, if snus can work half as well as that, it will be awesome.
Now, if snus can work half as well as that, it will be awesome.
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