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Agreed and also if they send these small existing juice makers under I feel things will improve in some areas and decline in others. I tend to sit and vape and meditate on the pure artistry that went into an excellent juice. I don't think BT can replicate that.
Ok, after a powwow with someone who possesses far greater engineering knowledge than myself I need to revise something I said previously, and there doesn't appear to be any way to edit the original post since it's been stickied.
Regarding juice darkening and quality of base liquid:
Yes, PG nic base that is not as pure as you would hope for will darken all on its own. However, the way I worded my previous statement would make it seem that I am stating that any juice that darkens considerably over time is made using substandard base.
That is not true.
The hydrogenation of the components, and the flavorings used in E Liquid can have a big impact on this phenomenon, even when the base is as pure as angel's tears. Certain flavorings are big culprits in this.
So yes, I have nic base that hasn't been mixed with anything and has been sealed the whole time it's been stored that is amber. I would consider that to be subpar base. I also have juice that is clear as water that has stayed that way for 6 months in The Juice Cellar. However, it's just as likely that juice from that same vendor could have discolored due to the flavorings used.
I felt responsible for putting something out there that wasn't true because of the generalizations I made in those statements, so this post is to clear that up.
Regarding juice darkening and quality of base liquid:
Yes, PG nic base that is not as pure as you would hope for will darken all on its own. However, the way I worded my previous statement would make it seem that I am stating that any juice that darkens considerably over time is made using substandard base.
That is not true.
The hydrogenation of the components, and the flavorings used in E Liquid can have a big impact on this phenomenon, even when the base is as pure as angel's tears. Certain flavorings are big culprits in this.
So yes, I have nic base that hasn't been mixed with anything and has been sealed the whole time it's been stored that is amber. I would consider that to be subpar base. I also have juice that is clear as water that has stayed that way for 6 months in The Juice Cellar. However, it's just as likely that juice from that same vendor could have discolored due to the flavorings used.
I felt responsible for putting something out there that wasn't true because of the generalizations I made in those statements, so this post is to clear that up.
Vapenstein,
Hate to hear you picked up a cancer stick. If your ever in that spot from being short a batt or anything. PM me and I'll overnite you what you need. Like your reviews. They get better and better my friend.
Dave
Hate to hear you picked up a cancer stick. If your ever in that spot from being short a batt or anything. PM me and I'll overnite you what you need. Like your reviews. They get better and better my friend.
Dave
No, I'm not a tobacco nazi. I didn't feel like I was betraying myself or anything. I gave up cigarettes because of my then 4 year old son, and because after smoking 2 packs a day for so many years I felt like crap. If anything I'm glad it happened because it showed me that given the choice I prefer vaping.
Now my pipes are another matter. You'll have to fight me for them.
Now my pipes are another matter. You'll have to fight me for them.
Of all the posts in all the forums of the world, never has a post been more deserving of a sticky. Well done.
I know my experience is my own, and many people have been down very different paths with vaping, but this is my story. I ordered my first ecig April 10th... and now, three months, two weeks, and one day later... I am still smoking analogue cigarettes. I'm still smoking just as much as I was before I tried vaping. It's the juice. I've spend literally hundreds on liquid and equipment, and it is close to smoking but just not close enough to fool my brain. I'll be doing good for a few days or a week, but the longer I go, the more I think about cigarettes. Heck, believe it or not, I even began dreaming about cigarettes at one point. Then I fall of the wagon and am back to smoking 1-1/2 packs a day. Following that, I'm back on the juice hunt. I get more juice ordered and delivered and I think, "maybe one of these will be like my cigarettes... I'll keep and open mind", and every time... I am disappointed. I try to stick to it anyway, but each time I fail. Rinse, repeat; Rinse repeat, and here I am today... Still a smoker.
I mean no disservice to any of the juice vendors. Many, if not most of them, do very fine work. If I was a veteran vaper, I'm sure I would be in heaven, but for someone still trying to quit... every juice by ever vendor I've tried has missed the mark. And if you think I'm just not trying, go look at my posting history and check out my "survey" posts. I feel I've done my homework in spades. I may be alone in this, but I long for the day big tobacco (and their big money) gets involved in vaping. Then I expect we'll finally see liquids that can help people like me make the switch.
I know my experience is my own, and many people have been down very different paths with vaping, but this is my story. I ordered my first ecig April 10th... and now, three months, two weeks, and one day later... I am still smoking analogue cigarettes. I'm still smoking just as much as I was before I tried vaping. It's the juice. I've spend literally hundreds on liquid and equipment, and it is close to smoking but just not close enough to fool my brain. I'll be doing good for a few days or a week, but the longer I go, the more I think about cigarettes. Heck, believe it or not, I even began dreaming about cigarettes at one point. Then I fall of the wagon and am back to smoking 1-1/2 packs a day. Following that, I'm back on the juice hunt. I get more juice ordered and delivered and I think, "maybe one of these will be like my cigarettes... I'll keep and open mind", and every time... I am disappointed. I try to stick to it anyway, but each time I fail. Rinse, repeat; Rinse repeat, and here I am today... Still a smoker.
I mean no disservice to any of the juice vendors. Many, if not most of them, do very fine work. If I was a veteran vaper, I'm sure I would be in heaven, but for someone still trying to quit... every juice by ever vendor I've tried has missed the mark. And if you think I'm just not trying, go look at my posting history and check out my "survey" posts. I feel I've done my homework in spades. I may be alone in this, but I long for the day big tobacco (and their big money) gets involved in vaping. Then I expect we'll finally see liquids that can help people like me make the switch.
Yes, because they've proven so responsible with what they've put in their cigarettes.
True, but I prefer to be realistic about it. This is true for every industry. It is just human nature, unfortunately. Any industry or organization that makes a lot of money, or wields a lot of power, will attract people with... well... flexible morals. That's true for Big Tobacco just as it's true for the Textiles Industry (sweat shops), Energy (BP anyone?), fast food, Walstreet, Government, or even Religion. I don't think it's fair to demonize any industry like it's a large faceless beast lurking behind a tree waiting to eat our children, when in reality every one of those groups I just named is just a collection of people. Add in a few bad apples (or a lot of bad apples), and bad things happen. Organizations are not bad by default, even if they've made serious mistakes in the past, it's still just bad people that are responsible -- not the orgainzations themselves. It's our job as consumers and voters to keep an eye on those in power and make sure they're held accountable. It happens all the time... CEO's resign in shame, companies get split up or fined, laws get passed, and Presidents get replaced.
But... I think it's important to remember that large organizations with money and power also bring us good things. Corporations, commerce, and the watchful public have brought us the life we know today. Everything from the roads you drive to the foods you eat, the shoes you wear, the computer you use, and the entertainment you consume.
The fact is that no one, and I mean no one, is in a better position to take eliquids to the next level than Big Tobacco (as far as bringing an authentic cigarette experience to ecigs). No one else has more experience with tobacco or deeper pockets... and it will take both.
I imagine you're right and it would also be a big step towards vaping becoming main stream and if vaping keeps advancing like it is now it's simply going to happen for better or worse. I do fear what we may lose in the trade off though.
Yea, I do worry that it may put a lot of little mom and pop type shops out of business. But I hope it won't. In an attempt to be optimistic about that, I look toward the "hand made" trend through sites like etsy and elsewhere. I think the internet has allowed more small shops to remain in business because they don't have to have a brick and mortar store front, or worry about distribution or retail contracts. Also, I think today's homogenized products (you can buy the same shirt in a Target in Seattle as you can in a Target in Houston) has lead people to look for products that are different or special. I certainly think that will help, and I think that is more than a trend. What I can say for sure, is that if mom and pop eliquid shops do stay open, it will in large part be due to communities like the ECF. If this were to take place in the past though, say 20 years ago, Big Tobacco getting in the business would have meant certain death for these small entrepreneurs.
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Although I do agree that Big Tobacco jumping on the eliquid bandwagon will bring with them the money to bring eliquids to a whole new level as well as vaping as a whole into the mainstream...
The fact is that I no longer trust Big Tobacco... They had a perfectly profitable product in the analog..However, it wasn't enough..I think that all things e-cig related will skyrocket. They'll be a market and they'll see it (already do). Not only will it mean higher prices ..It'll be taxed ( and you know how they love to tax/punish smokers). No longer will the cost of analogs be a motivating factor for switching to vaping.. Off the top of my head, If scientifically provin, the only benefits will be - improved health/smell/ and no second hand smoke. All of this is nothing new..I'm pretty sure all of us have considered all this...
But, the one thing I can not get past is the fact of how they added umpteen chemicals into analogs for the soul purpose of addicting consumers to a crazy level...If this were not true then we'd all have switched over easily. I mean, our nicotine levels are met vaping. So why is it that if I try to go cold turkey. You can find me rocking in a fetal position, clutching my prodigy like it's a bottle of choc milk - on a good day.lmao...You honestly think they can't and wont do the same to our e-liquids?
I would think that here's where the smart, small vendor could prevail.. Decent pricing and If they could prove that their liquids were free of anything addictive/ harmful..And thankfully, like MikeB stated - "communities like the ECF, will help keep them open and growing.
(lil yawn) Another rambling post. And I'm not even sure what all I wrote. (shuffling off to get coffee... fuzzy robe dragging the floor) lol
The fact is that I no longer trust Big Tobacco... They had a perfectly profitable product in the analog..However, it wasn't enough..I think that all things e-cig related will skyrocket. They'll be a market and they'll see it (already do). Not only will it mean higher prices ..It'll be taxed ( and you know how they love to tax/punish smokers). No longer will the cost of analogs be a motivating factor for switching to vaping.. Off the top of my head, If scientifically provin, the only benefits will be - improved health/smell/ and no second hand smoke. All of this is nothing new..I'm pretty sure all of us have considered all this...
But, the one thing I can not get past is the fact of how they added umpteen chemicals into analogs for the soul purpose of addicting consumers to a crazy level...If this were not true then we'd all have switched over easily. I mean, our nicotine levels are met vaping. So why is it that if I try to go cold turkey. You can find me rocking in a fetal position, clutching my prodigy like it's a bottle of choc milk - on a good day.lmao...You honestly think they can't and wont do the same to our e-liquids?
I would think that here's where the smart, small vendor could prevail.. Decent pricing and If they could prove that their liquids were free of anything addictive/ harmful..And thankfully, like MikeB stated - "communities like the ECF, will help keep them open and growing.
(lil yawn) Another rambling post. And I'm not even sure what all I wrote. (shuffling off to get coffee... fuzzy robe dragging the floor) lol
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Great post, like the reviews too. Ordered some Halo juice today and can't wait to try it. Want2vape will be my next order. Acid Blondie reminds me of some of my ex-girlfriends!
For me the transition was within a couple of days but I think it was a result of months of smoking cherry & strawberry filtered little cigars. At $6 to $7 a pack (Texas taxes) it caused me find an alternative. On a limited retirement income, I started hunting on the internet and found these little filtered cigars from an Indian tribe at about $15 a carton. Started with cherry & strawberry with no intent to quit smoking. Then I heard about e-cigs, investigated, and started off with cherry & strawberry flavors. They tasted so good that I was easily able to quit the "real" cigarettes.
Hopefully, you also will be able to find some way of transitioning off cigarettes.
Been a DIY fan for a while and have recently found a garlic like aftertaste to some, but not all the e-juice. I cold store everything and nothing is yellowed. I traced it to one PG source, but then noticed that some small samples I had gotten of TPA flavoring also had that effect. The odor is in the juice, not the nic which is Carolina's best. It is also noted by spouse. Any thoughts?
This part is very bad information on your part. There is no connection with snus and any type of oral cancer. Also no risk of internal cancer. This has been shown by decades of studies done in Sweden where snus is the main way of using tobacco. Even american style moist snuff is dramatically less harmful then smoking. You may want to do a bit of research before before putting this type of nonsense out to the public.
Agreed. And there's quite a bit more that's wrong or misleading which I might come back to when I have more time.
For now tough just wanted to note that this has been decalred as a sticky thread by the powers that be, along with an antii-WTA scare thread.
It is not true that smoking became addictive only when BT added stuff, it already is because tobacco contains more than just nicotine as active ingredients. Likely they tried to maximise this in various ways though much of what was done was with regard to making the product more palatable (acceptable to more people). So though that point is overstated, BT, knowing the harm yet still pushing their products, are hardly good guys.
I can see the forums having a vested interest in BT getting involved because it could make an even bigger revenue stream.
If this happened (maybe more a case of when), this will be very much a mixed blessing. The OP is way off to assume that BT will do a better job; it will simply make it more mainstream.
As regards possible taxes, the government always looks to increase its revenue to hand out to its cronies. The point is why people are so fatalistic; are we already in a quasi-fascist state ('too big to jail') or by being a nation of lambs we let the rulers be wolves? What happened to government by for and of the people?
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