Tobacco Absolute (the NET redheaded stepchild)
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Hey guys I'm new at DIY buy enjoy net tobbacos very much, has any of you ever tried a place called parkes vaping??
They have I believe 50 different TOBBACO flavors from pipe cigar and regular TOBBACO , they are very fair priced offer sample packs and coupons and frequent sales also, I am hooked on a few of Mary's liquids one of them is called Burley,their Joey flue cured is awesome, another I like is pure pipe, it kinda reminds me of HHV legend, there are a few others but just wanted to see if any of you have ever tried them before and was wondering if they use TA or something else.
Mann awesome thread I am getting ready to attempt my first DIY extraction and can't wait....
Thanks to all who. Offered their knowledgeful input here it's because of all of you that creative and interesting learning threads like these exist and it's what makes this forum what it is.....
They have I believe 50 different TOBBACO flavors from pipe cigar and regular TOBBACO , they are very fair priced offer sample packs and coupons and frequent sales also, I am hooked on a few of Mary's liquids one of them is called Burley,their Joey flue cured is awesome, another I like is pure pipe, it kinda reminds me of HHV legend, there are a few others but just wanted to see if any of you have ever tried them before and was wondering if they use TA or something else.
Mann awesome thread I am getting ready to attempt my first DIY extraction and can't wait....
Thanks to all who. Offered their knowledgeful input here it's because of all of you that creative and interesting learning threads like these exist and it's what makes this forum what it is.....
A lot of great information here on TA. I've been using TA for quite a while now and recently ran across a product called
Bulgarian Tobacco concrete from Nicotiana tabacum
Which is a thick waxie extract which is used to derive absolute from.
Naturally this caught my interest and as it was cheap ($7.50) I ordered some. I did not order from the link above I'm only using the link because it had a lot of data on it.
So my question is has anyone herd of this?
Anyone know how to use it?
I'm looking for any information at all on this as I know nothing about it.
What really caught my interest was the last line of the information listing
Application: Tobacco concrete is a product used for obtaining absolute.
Bulgarian Tobacco concrete from Nicotiana tabacum
Which is a thick waxie extract which is used to derive absolute from.
Naturally this caught my interest and as it was cheap ($7.50) I ordered some. I did not order from the link above I'm only using the link because it had a lot of data on it.
So my question is has anyone herd of this?
Anyone know how to use it?
I'm looking for any information at all on this as I know nothing about it.
What really caught my interest was the last line of the information listing
Application: Tobacco concrete is a product used for obtaining absolute.
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Danny I believe that is the same TA that azure vaping cells and is the same as TFA used to carry. I use the TA azure cells and it is a good TA, the rustica also uses the concrete description when reading about it but I have no idea what it means.
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Yep. As I stated in my OP (which I understand may have been TLTR):
"(C): TA is made through solvent extractions like hexane, pure grain alcohol or super critical CO2 into a tobacco concrete (essential oils, resins and essence in a dense matter, i.e, concrete) and a subsequent extraction using ethanol or ethyl alcohol from the concrete into an absolute..."
Now, I do not understand how to extract the TA from the concrete with alcohol, but TA only comes from concrete. One time I said that and someone thought I made a typo and meant "concentrate," but you are correct, it is tobacco concrete. Tobacco extracts that act like TA but not extracted from a concrete are most often tobacco hydrosolates.
When you get it, I would love to see some pics, please.
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Oh I read that wrong I thought you were talking about the concentrated TA not the actual concrete. Will be interesting to see what you do with it.
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I did some more digging around and I found a little info, but since this isn't the DIY forum, I'll post in your thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/529446-tobacco-concrete-what.html, about this topic.
Posted to follow and now have time thank Mr. Mann for this knowledgeable thread and also ask about TA.
I'm curious if anyone knows if TA is oil based? If so, wouldn't it be a hazard to vape even diluted to the extent we do for our purposes? Also the solvent(s) used to make the concrete do any remain in the concrete? It's just questions I was unable to answer on my own. We know how precise the search function is here. Thanks ahead of time.
I'm curious if anyone knows if TA is oil based? If so, wouldn't it be a hazard to vape even diluted to the extent we do for our purposes? Also the solvent(s) used to make the concrete do any remain in the concrete? It's just questions I was unable to answer on my own. We know how precise the search function is here. Thanks ahead of time.
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From my understanding of the test done, no solvent remains (from the concrete extraction). TA can be oily/fatty, but as to whether it is safe to vape is not for me to say as I don't know. I can say that I have and do vape liquids containing it, but when I say it's in low percentages, I mean it's low. But when liquids are heavy-handed with it, it can be a mess.
Man, if I could go back and edit that first post, I would cut out about half of it. I must've drank way too much coffee that day! LOL
Diy for myself and friends and just started experimenting with TA. 2 drops dissolved in 10ml pg. Also the same with ethyl maltol added to the mix. Using two types of TA. 1% to mix or less. Waiting on results as we know how steeping can change the liquid SO very much with time.
Thanks for the answer to the solvents. I just know oils are really bad as a user in another forum (not related to anything vaping)relayed his serious lung damage from vaping other types of concentrates containing trace oils. Seemed serious enough and I had no reason not to believe him. I'll keep researching.
Thanks for the answer to the solvents. I just know oils are really bad as a user in another forum (not related to anything vaping)relayed his serious lung damage from vaping other types of concentrates containing trace oils. Seemed serious enough and I had no reason not to believe him. I'll keep researching.
I don't know if you saw Dr.F's study on the cytotoxicity of some natural tobacco liquids (and possibly other flavors), but some of the liquids they investigated that were said to have natural tobacco ingredients tested fine in terms of cardiovascular health. Considering some of the names on the list of vendors that were tested, I can only assume that those vendors use TA as only one (if I remember correctly) was a vendor that used tobacco soaks (and that vendor was the one that had some liquids testing to be cytotoxic).
As a whole, most eliquids that have "natural tobacco" ingredients are using TA. There is a small segment of the market that "extracts" their own flavor from tobacco leaves, but it's pretty small (small enough that you can know the vast majority of them).
Now, I don't know if my assumptions about the lack of cytotoxicity has any bearing on lung damage, but I can say that TA has been used in "tobacco" eliquids since vaping began -- it's been around the block. That doesn't make it right or safe, but nothing has shown up so far (AFAIK).
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Good to know and makes total sense. If possible maybe you could link me to that Dr F study.
Just when I got my TA my first thought was that this must contain oils. Though I could totally be wrong. Like you said, our tobacco concentrate flavorings derive probably from similar extracts.
Just when I got my TA my first thought was that this must contain oils. Though I could totally be wrong. Like you said, our tobacco concentrate flavorings derive probably from similar extracts.
I far from know what I'm talking about when it comes to TA. I'll say though I have also heard the dangers of vaping flavoring that contains oils, such as certain Loranne flavoring that are oil based which shouldn't be used in vape juice. However, I think there's a difference between a substance that has the properties of being oily, and the oils we should avoid vaping. I'm under the impression TA falls in the first category. Even vg can be considered oily, at least it's how I would describe it rubbing it between my fingers.
So what are the "oils" we should avoid and what property makes them dangerous? No idea.. but the answer to that would answer why oily TA isn't considered the dangerous oil we should avoid.
Since I'm here, and really like the TA juices made by NudeNicotine, along with their other flavors I find quite good, I did a search on them in this thread and came up with this. It feels weird typing "nude" into the search lol.
Have you tried the tobaccos from NN yet Jingles? I have tobacco and Island Tobacco. I'm not well-versed in commercial TA vapes, but I think the result of these is quite different than juices made from the common TA made in mass quantities for the perfume industry.
Just got a bottle of nicotiana rustica tobacco absolute.
Not nearly as "clean"as nicotiana tobacum I received first. Lots of, what I hope is plant material in it. Lol made the pg a cloudy, green, mess and had to strain through a coffee filter to remove material. Actually hesitant to even use. Might be money wasted.
Any opinions?
Not nearly as "clean"as nicotiana tobacum I received first. Lots of, what I hope is plant material in it. Lol made the pg a cloudy, green, mess and had to strain through a coffee filter to remove material. Actually hesitant to even use. Might be money wasted.
Any opinions?
Also just received a bunch of well steeped, like a year, liquids from a fellow vaper. Couple big names and was amazed to find how many contained TA or m4 type tobacco in them. Something I hadn't tasted before in the normal steep and use period.
Velvet Cloud Vapor TA!!!
My particular brand of poison and the only liquids I can vape daily without issues, or get sick of vaping. Ice Beard is my favorite, but the rest are pretty good too
My particular brand of poison and the only liquids I can vape daily without issues, or get sick of vaping. Ice Beard is my favorite, but the rest are pretty good too
Do you know anything about this one? I bought it from ECX and is the Signature Tobacco Absolute brand.
Tobacco Absolute Diluted 10ml
Diluted 50% in 190 proof pure grain alcohol (PGA).
This is HIGHLY concentrated and you should use this at 1 drop at a time until you are familiar with its taste. Using too much will ruin your e-liquid.
Botanical Name: Nicotania tabacum
Color: Deep Brown
Consistency: Medium
Perfumery Note: Base
Strength of Initial Aroma: Medium
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