VAPERS NEEDED FOR RESEARCH STUDY

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LouisLeBeau

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I don't trust this at all, not doing it.

Please reconsider. They have X number of spots available. Think about what DUMB things some people say, without considering how it can be twisted or abused. The more AWARE people that take part, the less opportunity there is for those without a clue. Seriously, who do you trust more to be careful about what statements might be available for abuse? :)
 

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Please reconsider. They have X number of spots available. Think about what DUMB things some people say, without considering how it can be twisted or abused. The more AWARE people that take part, the less opportunity there is for those without a clue. Seriously, who do you trust more to be careful about what statements might be available for abuse? :)

What I consider is that it's corrupt in it's motives from the get-go and a sneaky effort on the part of BT and ANTZ to use ECF for their propaganda. There is nothing so low they will not resort to it.

I'm having none of it.
 
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I'm hoping that the study is being conducted, at the very least, to find truths. I am not however, extremely optimistic that this is the case at this point.

My reason for saying that, is that the project administrator is one Eric Soule. Googling this person led me to this article, where Mr. Soule was a member of a team that attended a vape convention, to surreptitiously measure the air quality in the presence of a large number of vapers by sneaking in and concealing air monitoring equipment.

Yeah, well there ya go!

I think the agenda behind this is quite clear, as are the motives of those attempting to USE ECF for it. How sweet it would be for them to claim their STUDY used sources from the biggest vaping site there is. It's quite logical thinking on their part, and they are not stupid, just evil.
 
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Yeah, well there ya go!

I think the agenda behind this is quite clear, as are the motives of those attempting to USE ECF for it. How sweet it would be for them to claim their STUDY used sources from the biggest vaping site there is. It's quite logical thinking on their part, and they are not stupid, just evil.

The money is allocated, the study is established, and it IS going to happen with a predetermined number of participants. I think it would be best that people who are AWARE of their previous study, are rational and have some intelligence and common sense SHOULD try to occupy those positions. I fully support your decision to not participate.

There ARE other ways that you can help influence the study. Perhaps a letter to the Dean of their science program, pointing out the junk science used in the previous study, and commenting on the value that this kind of thing takes away from those who are obtaining their degrees from this particular school. Alumni doing this would be MOST effective.
 
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This study is in the public record somewhere. There had to be a proposal with a design and purpose. The researchers have proposed to try and find out something that is useful to somebody. That is writtein down somewhere in a public document because it funded with tax money. So what purpose have they claimed for this study?

Perhaps the people who made the first post are following this dicussion and will provide us with a link to the relevent documents?
 
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This study is in the public record somewhere. There had to be a proposal with a design and purpose. The researchers have proposed to try and find out something that is useful to somebody. That is writtein down somewhere in a public document because it funded with tax money. So what purpose have they claimed for this study?

Perhaps the people who made the first post are following this dicussion and will provide us with a link to the relevent documents?

Awesome points. I am sure there was a request document, responding proposals, and final documents of agreement. I would think that those would and SHOULD be available, even if a FOIA request is required to obtain them. Sounds like as good a means of "vetting" studies that solicit forums for participation as any possible!
 
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Some good reasons for participating in the Study, so far.
Also some Good conspiracy theories, so far.

My Personal Take:

I do not want some Unknowns giving their opinion on why Vaping is good or bad for me. My Voice Counts! :cool:

If you think your experience will shed a Bad light on Vaping............You already have some Bad ideas about Vaping:ohmy:
 

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First you answer a bunch of perfectly normal background questions.
The 999 thing is really not a concern given the context of that question.

Then you move on to a second part where you "brainstorm" your thoughts.
You write brief statements about good things you felt after vaping.

Think about what DUMB things some people say, without considering how it can be twisted or abused.
I have already seen lots of the dumb things people have already said in this survey.
There's some real idiots in this world.

One such idiot added a statement that went something like this...
"My brain feels like it's doing 360s!"
 
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One such idiot added a statement that went something like this...
"My brain feels like it's doing 360s!"

Gawd... I read some mildly stupid ones, but that epic stupid one, I missed.
It does seem like the question will lead to answers like that. It's just vaping for pete's sake. "how I feel when vaping" is akin to eating a good piece of chocolate or something, it's not up there with a menage a treize with the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders...
:facepalm:
 

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My impression of my own vaping experience might be interesting, might be inspiring to someone else, but it's not science.

I didn't ike the first post in the thread. The more I learn the less I like
Awesome points. I am sure there was a request document, responding proposals, and final documents of agreement. I would think that those would and SHOULD be available, even if a FOIA request is required to obtain them. Sounds like as good a means of "vetting" studies that solicit forums for participation as any possible!
Perhaps the best person to request the information we are discussing is someone who is already participating. It would also be interesting if someone would copy and past the questions. I'd like to see them. If the people doing this study have to conceal their purpose it can't be good for vapers.
 

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it's not up there with a menage a treize with the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders...
:facepalm:

Then you're doing it wrong ;)

:lol:

I got the phone call yesterday and have completed the brainstorming section. It was pretty much as described, there's not much to add to what's been reported here.

My feeling parallels that of crxess and others here , the more serious and committed vapers that respond to such things, the better off, I believe, that we are.
 

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My impression of my own vaping experience might be interesting, might be inspiring to someone else, but it's not science.

I didn't ike the first post in the thread. The more I learn the less I like

Perhaps the best person to request the information we are discussing is someone who is already participating. It would also be interesting if someone would copy and past the questions. I'd like to see them. If the people doing this study have to conceal their purpose it can't be good for vapers.

Acknowledging your thoughts. PM sent.
 
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"Thank you for your participation in the Vaperspective study. Attached below is your e-gift card. When you go to redeem your gift card code, enter the study email (vaperspective@vcu.edu) in the email box. This will allow you to redeem your gift card code."

It seemed fishy, saying to enter their email instead of mine, but it's a verification not a "where should we send your gift." I tried it first with my own email, it just said "that's not the right email address." When I tried it again with theirs like it said, it took me to a page with the gift card number, and I just took a screenshot of it.
 

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"Thank you for your participation in the Vaperspective study. Attached below is your e-gift card. When you go to redeem your gift card code, enter the study email (vaperspective@vcu.edu) in the email box. This will allow you to redeem your gift card code."

It seemed fishy, saying to enter their email instead of mine, but it's a verification not a "where should we send your gift." I tried it first with my own email, it just said "that's not the right email address." When I tried it again with theirs like it said, it took me to a page with the gift card number, and I just took a screenshot of it.

Nothing I try makes that dang link work..............No gift card for me :oops:

Edit..........tried 3 more times and it finally realized I wasn't giving up:D
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's a gift card for a free carton of cigarettes.:sneaky:
Hahahaha..... That was funny...

I can still remember when I was a kid, downtown there were always people walking around handing out free little packs of cigarettes with 3 or 4 in them. I would have been about 13 then, and I was already smoking, and of course they were happy to give them to me. Unreal. Nobody thought anything of an 11 year old buying a pack of cigarettes in the store, either.
 

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I'm hoping that the study is being conducted, at the very least, to find truths. I am not however, extremely optimistic that this is the case at this point.

My reason for saying that, is that the project administrator is one Eric Soule. Googling this person led me to this article, where Mr. Soule was a member of a team that attended a vape convention, to surreptitiously measure the air quality in the presence of a large number of vapers by sneaking in and concealing air monitoring equipment. While I will link to the article at the end of this, I find this particular paragraph especially troubling:

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The researchers misleadingly characterized the droplets they observed as PM2.5 — which refers to particles (i.e., tiny solid bits) of size less than 2.5 microns, which are believed to cause health risk independent of their chemistry due to their size — and likened them to smoke (which is the dominant source of real PM2.5). As has been noted numerous times by quite a few commentators since Igor Burstyn and I pointed it out more than two years ago, e-cigarettes do not produce particles, they produce droplets (i.e., tiny liquid bits), which have entirely different health implications. There is no reason to believe that droplet size matters. Some instruments cannot tell the difference between particles and droplets, but this does not make them the same. I have explained this in easily-understood terms several times; I recommend this one, and see also here. (Also note that the health claims about actual PM2.5 are rather more tenuous than is usually portrayed in public health discussions, as I pointed out in the first of those three links, but that does not matter since this is not about actual PM2.5.)

The authors then go further and call for policy actions which could not possibly have been supported by any result this research could have produced. In particular, in spite of having generated no information about health risks, and in spite of having studied only an extreme environment which tells us nothing about normal settings, their conclusion statement demanded, “establishing policies that prohibit ECIG [sic] use anywhere combustible cigarette use is prohibited.” "

The article itself:
Serious ethical concerns about public health research conduct; the case of vape convention air quality measurement

I will continue to participate in the study. They will surely find enough to fill their quota either way, and at least I am forearmed with the above information, to look for potentially misleading or loaded questions that could be used to our detriment.

Mr. Kershaw, @SmokeyJoe have you personally, or someone that you consider competent to do so, vetted this study, the administrators, and the purpose?
 
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