Vapers win in epic hashtag hijack
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Hey, what did you Expect with the word "Hijack" in the Title?
And allowing the thread to be seen in the OUTSIDE!
This is one of the biggest fattest lies that has been put out there and has continued for years. The truth is that smokers COST LESS than healthy people. Why? Because they don't go to the doctor. When they do go to the doc, the problems just get blamed on smoking. the treatment for that is? Quit. Which costs the average taxpayer NOTHING. No diagnostics, no treatment, just QUIT SMOKING. Well then, either you quit and then they say "Oh, sorry, looks like you're still sick, now lets help you" or you don't quit and there is no extra cost and maybe you get better and maybe you die.
On the other side of that, its the old people that costs a fortune in healthcare. It's well known that you are far less likely to actually get old if you smoke. Smokers die sooner, before they reach the ages where healthcare costs skyrocket. You could argue otherwise, but then you loose your argument about smokers being sicker and having more diseases because you must be HEALTHY to get old.
Its been proven, over and over again (math and money are incapable of lying) that the taxes paid by smokers not only pay for their healthcare costs, but they also result in a HUGE net revenue to the government.
See the number below in my signature about money saved? 80% of that is taxes that the government couldn't collect on. They would be prosecuting us for theft if they could!
Exactly right. The type of severe cough and congestion that would make a non-smoker seek a HOSPITAL since they'd be certain they had pneumonia, a smoker will curse and light another, and cough up the other lung. Been there, done that, many times.
And it's a fact about old folks' medical costs. My parents had over $15,000 in UNREIMBURSED medical expenses last year; medicare and their insurance paid for probably another $85,000 -- but if my mom hadn't quit smoking FINALLY a few years after she was diagnosed with COPD, then her diabetes and cirrhosis wouldn't have had time to present and cost all that money to treat. Every year for nearly 10 yrs now.
My dad's final expenses for his lung cancer wouldn't even come close to what my mom's and stepdad's medical bills have been.
Andria
Dear oh dear oh dear REALLY so people who smoke don't cost the nhs money and all illness in smokers is blamed on cigarettes so quit and your cancer will go away will it ???? If I follow a rainbow will I find a elf with a bag of gold ???? Smoking causes so many diseases that actually kill people and yes I know non smokers get those diseases too but to believe the bull that smokers get treat any differently to non smokers by gp's and medical staff because they smoke is an insult to everyone of them
Withdrewandi -- I of course could be mistaken, but I believe what was meant about smokers and doctors was referencing to here in the United States. In my own experience, I have not been to a doctor (nor any hospitals or "Urgent Care" type facilities) in over 20 years because in fact I would get the old, "Well then, quit smoking" routine. It became rather tiresome, rather quickly. I never get flu shots, take vitamins, supplements, or anything like that either. I rarely ever get a cold, never a flu nor pneumonia. Will I ever need a doctor? Probably, as we all will most likely need one sooner or later. But at least by then I'll be able to answer "No" to the smoking question with no other explanation necessary!
As for the doctors here in the U.S. -- it is very difficult (if not almost impossible) for the "average Joe/Jane" to find one that is truly worth his/her salt, so to speak, and that truly has a heart for people and cares about their overall health. It's like the situation over here right now with the Veteran's Affairs (VA) ...my husband spent 24 years in the Army of the United States (is a retired 1st Sergeant) and there is no way I would ever let the VA system touch him! There are recorded accounts of men who have literally died while waiting to hear back from the VA that they could even call just to make an appointment (and even then they might have to wait another 2 to 4 years just to get in and see a doctor)! Our health care system here is not good, not good at all -- not by a long shot!
As for the doctors here in the U.S. -- it is very difficult (if not almost impossible) for the "average Joe/Jane" to find one that is truly worth his/her salt, so to speak, and that truly has a heart for people and cares about their overall health. It's like the situation over here right now with the Veteran's Affairs (VA) ...my husband spent 24 years in the Army of the United States (is a retired 1st Sergeant) and there is no way I would ever let the VA system touch him! There are recorded accounts of men who have literally died while waiting to hear back from the VA that they could even call just to make an appointment (and even then they might have to wait another 2 to 4 years just to get in and see a doctor)! Our health care system here is not good, not good at all -- not by a long shot!
That's such a shame luckily we have 1 of the best health care systems in the world I mean it has issues but we don't have to pay like you do yes we pay by means of tax but not by getting a bill every time we use it....
Yes we get told to quit but not come back when you have......
My point wasn't about that tho it was about the reasons ecigs won't be banned here yes they will be legislated and taxed but unlike cigarettes they can now advertise on tv advertise you can use them indoors not be kicked to a curb...
Yes we get told to quit but not come back when you have......
My point wasn't about that tho it was about the reasons ecigs won't be banned here yes they will be legislated and taxed but unlike cigarettes they can now advertise on tv advertise you can use them indoors not be kicked to a curb...
WTG everyone! This made my week.
My husband heard Slantz on the radio, declaring he's taking the curbit campaign throughout all of California not just sf. He said the old fart was careful enough to say that eCigs are saFER than smoking, but he stuck to his children cry that kids are being attracted to safer alternatives that may or may not have nicotine to which nicotine is no more addictive than caffeine... wait, I'm filling in the blanks. But, we humans know the truth.
And that must be really nice, Withdrewandi. IMO, since everyone has their own preferences and needs, I'm sure no health system anywhere would ever be 100% "perfect", but as far as I can tell, health systems such as you have in the UK and what I have heard of Germany's (for examples), seem to overall be fairly excellent.
It's great that they are allowing the advertising! I would think that seeing the ads would get people to do a little research on their own to find out facts, whether they were interested in the actual vaping aspect or perhaps just knowing more about it in regard to friends/family. I certainly hope that this whole "curbit" thing here gets ...well ..."curbed"!
Thanks so much for sharing!
Interesting... hmmm... ok, this is sort of what I had expected, somewhat. But also that we would be seeing similar campaigns in other places. Especially since they would go towards influencing public opinion on matters that are going to be big legislative issues this year.
So, speaking as "one of the hijackers". I'm sure most have heard or seen it but I'll repeat it here and feel free to share this with anyone you think might be interested;
"If you want to be part of a coordinated and planned response to the disinformation campaign currently being waged against you, as a business in this industry, by the San Francisco Tobacco Free Coalition, please contact me immediately at stefan [at] norcal.sfata.org as we are putting together a team and a plan and I would love you to be be part of that."
I already had quite a lot of responses and we are very seriously looking into a counter campaign. But one that is well thought out in a measured and appropriate response that would allow itself to be used as a template for other similar campaigns we're expecting to see. I'm actually quite pleased with the positive responses and support given how the past few months it felt like the entire industry and vaping communities were overtaken by apathy. Maybe I should send SF Tobacco Free and Glantz a thank you note for sparking a renewed positive fighting spirit at a time when we all needed it.
Disclaimer; while I'm routing this effort through NorCal SFATA and trying to organize a counter campaign, this is not solely a SFATA effort. But that's as much as I'll say about that at this time.
I don't care. I want to demonstrate to the TC extremists that vapers have zero tolerance for acts of terrorism. By hurting the SF economy we can get local businesses to push back against the SanFran cell of the TC terrorist network on their own turf.
OK.
I'm just not sure how comfortable I am at Punishing someone who does Business in, or has the word, San Francisco in their DBA. Seems like they are just Pawns who happen to be caught in the Crossfire.
For All I know, this Coffee Company could be Very Pro-Vape to it's Employees. And contributes to Pro-Vape organizations.
I blame the government. US politicians have whored and sold themselves and thus the US and state governments to commercial interests. They have made bribery effectively legal. Politically appointed ideologue supreme court justices have cemented it. We're not likely to get our government back via the ballot box. The system in place locks out candidates that might make a difference. The US has become an oligarchy.
A better system is simple. Install a government with laws that bar corporate lobbying and campaign money, PAC's, etc. Severely limit personal campaign contributions (Koch brothers for example). Forbid political office holders from ever profiting from an entity their vote(s) ever benefited once they leave office. Place their financial investments in a blind trust as a condition of holding office.
Improbable but not impossible. It will probably require a revolution to get it done. Improbable because of the complacency of the vast majority of Americans. We didn't used to be that way.
Interesting... hmmm... ok, this is sort of what I had expected, somewhat. But also that we would be seeing similar campaigns in other places. Especially since they would go towards influencing public opinion on matters that are going to be big legislative issues this year.
So, speaking as "one of the hijackers". I'm sure most have heard or seen it but I'll repeat it here and feel free to share this with anyone you think might be interested;
"If you want to be part of a coordinated and planned response to the disinformation campaign currently being waged against you, as a business in this industry, by the San Francisco Tobacco Free Coalition, please contact me immediately at stefan [at] norcal.sfata.org as we are putting together a team and a plan and I would love you to be be part of that."
I already had quite a lot of responses and we are very seriously looking into a counter campaign. But one that is well thought out in a measured and appropriate response that would allow itself to be used as a template for other similar campaigns we're expecting to see. I'm actually quite pleased with the positive responses and support given how the past few months it felt like the entire industry and vaping communities were overtaken by apathy. Maybe I should send SF Tobacco Free and Glantz a thank you note for sparking a renewed positive fighting spirit at a time when we all needed it.
Disclaimer; while I'm routing this effort through NorCal SFATA and trying to organize a counter campaign, this is not solely a SFATA effort. But that's as much as I'll say about that at this time.
Excellent campaign!
And I bet the European vapers will be with you again, when it comes to social media presence
I can't wait for some TC stupid person to once again bleat that such campaigns are "orchestrated", because they simply have no idea about emergent behavior. (see here - No. 4) If they can bleat their evil lies worldwide - well then we can tell the truth worldwide. And they can stick that in their imaginary pipe and smoke it
By the way: I had a ball
That silly nonsense is just too stupid to ignore 
The truth is they are not complacent. They are comfortable.
Anyone who has lived outside of the US, for any period of time, (or even done a decent amount of international travel) understands that we have a lot of freedoms here. We can vote, we can practice our religion, we can post stuff like this openly on forums without being listed and/or arrested, we are not thrown into prisons without due process, or sentenced w/out a trial. Women can work, they can earn money, they are not possessions or chattel. Chances are that your family is not so poor that you've had to sell your children into slavery of some sort.
And that's just the "little stuff."
We probably have the most freedom of any people on the planet, and probably one of the highest and best lifestyles.......yet we seem to complain more than anybody else.
No, it's not an illusion. Its very real.
I was out last night a 2:00am, and nobody stopped me to ask for my papers.
I'm sorry, but I really have to stifle a chuckle when people tell me that we dont' have any freedoms. How many other nations have you visited/lived in? Just curious...
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