VaperShark published test results on All Ejuice They Sell

[Papillon61]

No one is putting AP/ DP into e liquid, it comes from the flavorings used.
If they were interested in actually helping the industry they would have tested samples from the flavor concentrate manufacturers.
You know, the ones that make/produce the flavorings and make the AP / DP / cinnamaldehyde free claims that aren't true.

Well actually that can't be very useful. Flavour companies started out (and still do) making flavours for the food industry. To my knowledge AP/DP are not harmful when eaten or drunk. The doubt, if any, only arises when the flavours are vaporised. Flavour making companies do not necessarily make e-liquids so really the buck stops with the e-juice makers, whether they also make flavours or not.

 

[Racehorse]

If they were interested in actually helping the industry they would have tested samples from the flavor concentrate manufacturers.

I've read quite a bit on flavorings at TPA/TFA, Capella, and Flavour Arts. Tons of flavors without AP and DA, and many reformulated w/out those contaminants.

Am I missing something, or doesn't every ejuice maker have the option to use those?

Vaporshark is totally w/in their right to test juices they sell, to meet their testing requirements and which they in turn feel some liability for.

So you don't think goodwill includes letting your customer know the DA and AP levels in the ejuice they are paying for?

You speak of goodwill. The eliquid makers who are making money hand over foot and not bothering to do anything about testing their own products are the ones who will bring the FDA down on this industry. That's what happens when you refuse to self-regulate....somebody else steps in to do it for you.

 

[Racehorse]

Cigarettes are linked to many conditions, "popcorn lung" is not one I have heard before.

That has already been addressed.

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[skoony]

I've read quite a bit on flavorings at TPA/TFA, Capella, and Flavour Arts. Tons of flavors without AP and DA, and many reformulated w/out those contaminants.

Am I missing something, or doesn't every ejuice maker have the option to use those?

Vaporshark is totally w/in their right to test juices they sell, to meet their testing requirements and which they in turn feel some liability for.

So you don't think goodwill includes letting your customer know the DA and AP levels in the ejuice they are paying for?

You speak of goodwill. The eliquid makers who are making money hand over foot and not bothering to do anything about testing their own products are the ones who will bring the FDA down on this industry. That's what happens when you refuse to self-regulate....somebody else steps in to do it for you.

i a not sure vapershark is so full of goodwill.
it appears to me just another marketing scheme. a good one
i'll admit but no more.
the reason the FDA will come down on this industry is because
that is what they planned from the start.it has nothing to do
with industry standards,advertising to the chillin',the nicotine,
the flavoring or,lack there of.
the fact we don't know the difference between real risk and
potential risk is just another nail to hammer us with.

regards
mike

 

[Racehorse]

i a not sure vapershark is so full of goodwill.
it appears to me just another marketing scheme.

So, following the advice of a vape-friendly doctor and researcher as pertains to eliquid ingredients is a *marketing scheme*?

Seems like "taking responsibility" to me.

 

[j0nj0n3s]

So, even if you diy juice, you may still unknowingly be vaping these unwanted chemicals?

 

[skoony]

So, following the advice of a vape-friendly doctor and researcher as pertains to eliquid ingredients is a *marketing scheme*?

Seems like "taking responsibility" to me.

the good doctor was commenting on the test results if
in fact they are accurate and what it means.
he in no way endorsed vapershark nor condemned
the vendors involved.
i thought he made that quite clear.

regards
mike

 

[Mike 586]

So, even if you diy juice, you may still unknowingly be vaping these unwanted chemicals?

If you're using flavors, then yes, absolutely.

If you're going flavorless, there's nothing to worry about.

 

[Racehorse]

the good doctor was commenting on the test results if
in fact they are accurate and what it means.
he in no way endorsed vapershark nor condemned
the vendors involved.
i thought he made that quite clear.

regards
mike

Nobody said he didn't make that clear. I never said that.

Dr. F has made it clear that in his opinion, AP and DA don't belong in ejuice. And that acceptable exposure is......zero.

In the soundcloud interview, it appears that some eliquids appear to far exceed the levels of AP or DA in cigarettes....500x safety limits of NIOSH and represent more exposure than what a cigarette smoker may get per day.


Therefore, I was saying that Vaporshark wanting to test eliquid for those contaminants seems like "taking repsonsibility" to me.

You said you suspected it was a marketing scheme.


A vape friendly doctor and researcher with peer reviewed studies on electronic cigarettes is somebody I trust over somebody with a business trying to sell me something.

 

[Racehorse]

So, even if you diy juice, you may still unknowingly be vaping these unwanted chemicals?

Linda at TPA/TFA and Flavour Arts have tons of flavorings that don't contain AP or DA. There are also many that don't contain dyes, food coloring, butyric acid, acetoin and stuff like that, if you REALLY want to vape clean. I use very light flavoring, and those w/no ingredients that look offensive to me. I just got used to changing it up, and my taste buds adapted.

Vaping *safer* does not require going flavorless. Although doing so would remove most of the hair splitting.

 

[skoony]

Nobody said he didn't make that clear. I never said that.

Dr. F has made it clear that in his opinion, AP and DA don't belong in ejuice. And that acceptable exposure is......zero.

In the soundcloud interview, it appears that some eliquids appear to far exceed the levels of AP or DA in cigarettes....500x safety limits of NIOSH and represent more exposure than what a cigarette smoker may get per day.


Therefore, I was saying that Vaporshark wanting to test eliquid for those contaminants seems like "taking repsonsibility" to me.

You said you suspected it was a marketing scheme.


A vape friendly doctor and researcher with peer reviewed studies on electronic cigarettes is somebody I trust over somebody with a business trying to sell me something.

did the good doctor know that his interview was going to
coincide with vapersharks knew marketing plan?
regards
mike

 

[DC2]

Linda at TPA/TFA and Flavour Arts have tons of flavorings that don't contain AP or DA.

Forgive me, because I'm not entirely up to speed on the entirety of these issues...

But do these flavors definitely not have those chemicals?
Or do these those flavors makers "say" they don't have those chemicals?

I don't DIY so I wouldn't have a clue if this has already been endlessly discussed.

 

[beckdg]

So, following the advice of a vape-friendly doctor and researcher as pertains to eliquid ingredients is a *marketing scheme*?

Seems like "taking responsibility" to me.

Should work pretty well then.

Anything a business does to increase trust is a marketing move. Period. Doesn't mean it is or isn't one we should value. That's up to each individual consumer.

This one... I value. Not that I much care for myself. But i do turn other folks on to vaping from time to time. If i can give them better tools and info they can make better informed decisions themselves.

Tapatyped

 

[Racehorse]

did the good doctor know that his interview was going to
coincide with vapersharks knew marketing plan?

You would have to ask him.

I have no response other than to suggest you go to the source(s) and ask questions that you believe will assauge your suspicions.

Not every ecig consumer has the balz to ask the questions russ did, as a consumer, on that soundcloud clip. I would love to see you put your question put to Dr. F.................publically and formally, if you are indeed suggesting some kind of collusion?

(Quite frankly, I think Dr. F. has enough smarts to prevent him from unknowingly being used as a "tool" for some ecig business.)

Or maybe i am missing some subtle undercurrent, like in your repeated use of "the good doctor" phrase. I don't do well with indirect inuendo. So let me know if I have misunderstood that you are....suspicious of something here.


All I see, quite frankly, are vape-friendly doctors, chemists, researchers, and eliquid makers who are *on the same page* with regard to their customers having zero exposure to contaminants. Who believe that is a worthy goal.


I guess I also don't get why having a marketing plan, if you are marketing a product, to consumers that goes into their bodies, and also want to stay in for the long term, is seen as something *conspiratorial* by you. I would be worrying about companies who have "no plan".

(The same company who was putting Titanium Dioxide into their ejuice a year ago, when a simple read of the MDS would have prevented that, is now showing red AP/DA levels in the Enthalay Labs testing. I prefer to deal with people who kinda know what they're doing myself. A marketing plan, mission statement, goal and knowledgeable people go a long way for me personally.)

 

[RavenZ]

Thanks for posting

 

[Jonny5]

I agree. It might be a marketing move, but it's a useful one. Not only as a tool in helping its' customers determine what juice meets their personal risk threshold needs but also one that will add pressure to other industry vendors in following suit.

 

[salemgold]

This topic has been done to death over the years and I rarely ever comment. One thing that I always wonder is if some of the folks overly (IMO) concerned about what they are inhaling in ppm with their eliquids ever truly knew of the toxins in most food that they are eating and the "clean" air that they are breathing, I wonder what they would do then?

This is just my perspective on things and everyone is entitled to their own

 

[beckdg]

This topic has been done to death over the years and I rarely ever comment. One thing that I always wonder is if some of the folks overly (IMO) concerned about what they are inhaling in ppm with their eliquids ever truly knew of the toxins in most food that they are eating and the "clean" air that they are breathing, I wonder what they would do then?

This is just my perspective on things and everyone is entitled to their own

Exactly

I've worked in industries concerned with and/or related to both.

Hence my lack of concern of what's in the 6% or so flavoring in the juice I make for myself.

Some of these folks methinks might hold their breath in protest until "fresh" air is regulated "properly".

[emoji38]

Tapatyped

 

[Alien Traveler]

This topic has been done to death over the years and I rarely ever comment. One thing that I always wonder is if some of the folks overly (IMO) concerned about what they are inhaling in ppm with their eliquids ever truly knew of the toxins in most food that they are eating and the "clean" air that they are breathing, I wonder what they would do then?

This is just my perspective on things and everyone is entitled to their own

You see, stomach is designed to cope with toxins in food, lungs are designed to cope with impurities in air. But lungs are not designed to inhale food additives. That's the problem.

 

[beckdg]

You see, stomach is designed to cope with toxins in food, lungs are designed to cope with impurities in air. But lungs are not designed to inhale food additives. That's the problem.

A bit simple and uninsightful don't ya think?

Please do explain when the human stomach (digestive system) developed for any of the garbage and additives we constantly inundate it with.

Explain why Jared was able to lose 200 pounds by switching to a diet made almost entirely out of Subway subs.

Please.

Tapatyped