Sorry, but I think people like you are what is going to get vaping baned. We as vapers have to show that we think it is safe. We have to get over the fear that surrounds cigarette smoke. This is where all of the fear comes from. Every study I have seen. Only finds harmful chemicals in vapor after they have burnt up the juice/wicking. Of course they are, since at that point you are smoking and not vaping. Nothing burns while vaping. If we can not convince ourselves it is safe then we will never convince anyone else. Innocent until proven guilty!
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Sorry, but I think people like you are what is going to get vaping baned. We as vapers have to show that we think it is safe. We have to get over the fear that surrounds cigarette smoke. This is where all of the fear comes from. Every study I have seen. Only finds harmful chemicals in vapor after they have burnt up the juice/wicking. Of course they are, since at that point you are smoking and not vaping. Nothing burns while vaping. If we can not convince ourselves it is safe then we will never convince anyone else. Innocent until proven guilty!
At the same time, I understand the point. It's definitely about image. It's one thing to show our confidence in the products. It's another to be brazen and "not care what people think."
Same reason I don't want people going beyond battery capabilities/using devices with major design flaws. You're going to ruin vaping for the rest of us when your mod explodes.
Actually, people like me are doing everything in their power to promote vaping as the cure for smoking -- if one in fact WANTS a cure but hasn't found it in the useless NRT that BP flogs. I sign petitions; I read and tweet articles which have some common sense and good science related to vaping; I talk up vaping to anyone who'll hold still long enough; and most importantly, I've ended 39 yrs of smoking, thanks to vaping -- and none of the people in my life, who "endure" my indoor vaping, has any sort of problem with it.
But what ignorant people think is never going to be important to me, nor will I base my life, opinions, or choices on those ignorant opinions. And just for the record, opinionated people give me a pain.
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I don't think I stated anything about being brazen. Also, I shouldn't have to care "what people think" if I take my kids to the park, and I am vaping away while they play.
I mean that's one thing, I'm just imagining someone puffing on an e-cig while holding a kid in their arms or something. Boxing a car out with vapor while their kid is in the back seat. I realize those are the extremest of extremes, and it's hard to draw the line, I just don't think it'd be a good image to perpetuate.
Chill dude, no need to get derogatory. The entire purpose of this forum is to have intelligent conversation. Everyone brings their own opinion to the table, and we have to agree to disagree civilly and respectfully. Name-calling doesn't help anything.
On topic: You do have a fair point, the components of e-liquid are arguably "not natural" because they aren't naturally occurring. But: People have been inhaling PG/VG/nicotine for a long time. The real "questionability" comes from the flavorings -- and potentially burning your juice, but the "I don't know" factor makes me want to tell everyone to err on the side of caution. For all anyone knows, we could find out 10, 20 years from now that there are poisonous byproducts of vaporizing e-liquid. It doesn't seem likely based on what currently-available information, but really it's a "time will tell" situation.
We aren't guinea pigs as much as we are pioneers: We need to decide what to question, what to let slide, what's important to the industry. I'm not a fan of letting anything slide, though. I think it requires scrutiny and risk assessment like anything else in life.
I try not to vape around any child in any circumstance if I can help it. Even if I'm just standing outside I try to hold it until the kid walks by. Especially with older kids, I don't need any of them seeing me and thinking it looks cool. It's just personal preference, and I certainly agree with those who have said that you are the parent and thus have to make your own decisions for your child.
For me, the hazard posed to others has little to do with it one way or the other on this one.
For me, the hazard posed to others has little to do with it one way or the other on this one.
I try and vape around as many teenagers as I can. I am a fat, bald, old guy! I don't make anything look cool anymore!
I did not call you sheep. I was mocking the idea of "you will ruin this for everybody" by going against the grain. Saying such a thing is arguing that everyone ought to be like sheep and follow the herd, regardless of rationality.
No, there is indeed much to what Joray12 said about it not being natural.......... What I think he was referring to was the "ACT" of breathing in something which is not normal ( or natural) for human lungs to take in...... It's just common sense. Lungs were not designed to take in smoke as they were designed to provide oxygen to the rest of the body by the inhalation of oxygen. Look at what a disaster it has been to participate in the unnatural act of inhaling smoke (lung cancer / Emphysema) . If I jumped into a pool and tried to breath while under water, I would die as this is not a NATURAL act or a natural thing for the lungs to be exposed to. If it were natural, then we would have been born with gills instead of lungs. Same thing applies to vaping.... It is not a NATURAL act to take in mass amounts of vapor that our bodies were not designed for. It's definitely way safer than tobacco smoke but to what extent the long term use is, nobody knows yet.
Then I apologize to you, because that was the conclusion I came to when reading it.
I meant more around 10-12 year olds... but point taken. I doubt I make anything look too cool anymore either
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One thing as a smoker most are not aware or no longer concerned where their smoke is blowing. This usually carries onto vaping.
Recently i was made aware that it bothers some people, even outside where sometimes the wind will catch it if its blowing in different directions you cant always control where its going.
I now treat it like second hand smoking and make an effort to not effect others. I.e blow out of the window in cars, or in other peoples houses.
This also has some draw backs, e.g my sis inlaw has always let me vape inside, i started vaping outside or near a window and she looks at me funny as in "why are you blowing it out, i thought it wasnt that bad for you". Sort of like its going to kill her now that im blowing it out a window, yet it was fine blowing it wherever.
Recently i was made aware that it bothers some people, even outside where sometimes the wind will catch it if its blowing in different directions you cant always control where its going.
I now treat it like second hand smoking and make an effort to not effect others. I.e blow out of the window in cars, or in other peoples houses.
This also has some draw backs, e.g my sis inlaw has always let me vape inside, i started vaping outside or near a window and she looks at me funny as in "why are you blowing it out, i thought it wasnt that bad for you". Sort of like its going to kill her now that im blowing it out a window, yet it was fine blowing it wherever.
Lungs were designed by whom, or what? They were very obviously designed to take in smoke, as this does occur in nature.
All natural. "Disaster" is a judgment call.
The inability to survive under water is natural. Really only responding to your post cause you chose to emphasize natural. And because OP mentions this. Vaping is clearly natural. It occurs in nature.
By the rationality of "if it were natural, then we would have been born with gills instead of lungs," then vaping is clearly natural as we were born with lungs that are clearly designed to allow vapor to be inhaled into them.
One of these days, someone will have a rational argument for what is not natural.
Today is not that day.
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