I vape at work, but don't celebrate it. If someone notices and asks I explain how I failed with the patch, gum, and lozenge, but this nicotine inhaler finally worked. The next question is usuallly "My spouse/in law/buddy still smokes....where can I get that?"
Vaping at work may be banned...
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Silence, I'm still curious and awaiting any outcome from your HR department, but this is something I would consider doing. If you know for sure that the subject of vaping has been brought to the attention of HR already and before they have an opportunity to make a decision one way or the other, I would make an appointment to meet with them myself and bring all my vaping supplies with me...
Rather than have them make an uninformed decision without knowing much about them (sort of a rush-to-judgment), I would sit and carefully explain and demonstrate everything I possibly could about electronic cigarettes to them. Show them all the components, how they work and all of the benefits they provide. Demonstrate, encourage them to smell the vapor and form their own personal opinions.
I've been vaping and 100% smoke free for 1 month and already I find myself to be a much more productive person. There are far more advantages to vaping than smoking, at least in my opinion and I would suspect that employers would welcome it.
Keep us posted!
Rather than have them make an uninformed decision without knowing much about them (sort of a rush-to-judgment), I would sit and carefully explain and demonstrate everything I possibly could about electronic cigarettes to them. Show them all the components, how they work and all of the benefits they provide. Demonstrate, encourage them to smell the vapor and form their own personal opinions.
I've been vaping and 100% smoke free for 1 month and already I find myself to be a much more productive person. There are far more advantages to vaping than smoking, at least in my opinion and I would suspect that employers would welcome it.
Keep us posted!
I'm in the Army. By definition I am always in a Federal Building or motorpool etc. I vape in my office openly (after discussing it with my platoon leader) and he laughes all the time but has no prob with it. Motorpool? Vape all the time there. Today I was in a class where we ranged from E7-05 in rank...I was steath vaping lol. Noone noticed. The biggest reason alot are considering it is I am at Ft. Drum and, well, it gets COLD here, so the idea of staying inside and getting the nic-fix! The key for me is to educate and demonstrate alot (such a shame to have to vape). Only time I've hesitated is around one of the several pregnant women in our unit. I simply don't know for SURE that there is nothing that might harm so I would rather play it safe around them.
I vape at my desk, stealthily, but I do it. All three of my coworkers in our cubicle know I do it, and they do too. I haven't had any issues so far, but I'm not walking around our building waving it either. But, since I started, there are now about 50 of us doing it, including a few Division managers... which is a good thing, since they help make the "small" rules and persuade those who make the "big" rules. Every time I'm inspected at our gate, the gate guards now ask what day I'm on without real cigarettes, because the first time they inspected me and asked "what are those things you always carry in?!" I told them, and then showed them. I think a good approach is not to ask leadership BEFORE they know what you're doing, but don't be afraid to tell them how you've quit smoking with this, and then show them if they're willing to watch.
I hope this approach works out at my workplace, but only time and FDA decisions will tell...
I hope this approach works out at my workplace, but only time and FDA decisions will tell...
Kresh,
I knew I'd run into you eventually on here.... stay cold my friend, and stay vaping haha
I knew I'd run into you eventually on here.... stay cold my friend, and stay vaping haha
I think the best approach is really to make sure your upper management and especially HR understand what vaping is.
Once they understand its harmless water vapor they really won't care. Personally I don't this problem since I'm already at the top of the chain. If anything I"m promoting my employees to get off analogs and start vaping. Breaks will be reduced significantly and I expect that productivity will increase.
Once they understand its harmless water vapor they really won't care. Personally I don't this problem since I'm already at the top of the chain. If anything I"m promoting my employees to get off analogs and start vaping. Breaks will be reduced significantly and I expect that productivity will increase.
Resistance is futile.
I work alone on third shift at the moment and I vape all the time inside
So far nobody knows that I do, and I don't plan on letting them find out. Imagine a world where all the analog smokers were vapers and they openly vaped at work? When I work second shift, I work around other people and I go outside to vape. I live in New England and its getting damm cold here, but that's just the way it is.
No, the HR person is not your friend. I can tell you that our job is to implement management decisions, within the law and to avoid p*ssing off a large majority of employees, unless there are cost savings involved. By the time you get a policy, it's been thrashed out behind closed doors.
And yes, I'm smiling as I explain policy to employees, because that's my job, to stuff policy down peoples throats, whether I agree with it or not.
But this is for a large corporation. For smaller places, try to convince your managers that e-cigs are good, before it becomes an issue.
Unforunately, I work for a large financial institution. Making an appointment with HR will do nothing as I will never get to talk with the ones that make the policy. So far, no decision has been made either way or I have not been informed of such as of yet. If they do decide to ban it then I will stealth it and vape outside on lunch. I do not go waving it around the building, nor do I shove it in people's faces. I have converted 3 of the smokers here so far and enticed a few people to ask if it was an e-cig that I was using. One of which was my bosses boss who smokes and was intrigued by the device. I will keep you updated on what HR says.
I’m also stealth vaping at work. I sit in a cubical, so it’s a little harder to keep it under raps. I just watch my door way and blow the vapor under my desk. My work as of last month became a "Tobacco Free Environment", but ecigs are not listed in the policy. I plan to keep it low key, for as long as possible. I know everyone wants to speak out for ecigs, but they have the same stigma as analogs. That can not be just changed with an explanation.
There is no sense in losing a job over a few steps. Discretion is the better part of valor.
No it's not smoking, but could still be found offensive by (ignorant) coworkers as they don't know any better.
Use caution... I found that deep draws and slow exhale helps to dissipate vape quickly.
E
No it's not smoking, but could still be found offensive by (ignorant) coworkers as they don't know any better.
Use caution... I found that deep draws and slow exhale helps to dissipate vape quickly.
E
HR people are just middlemen. They make policies for things which they have no experience in. There is nothing most can do about this. If the company bans vaping, stealth vape.
hello all.
there is a no smoking policy at work except for breaks. selected few are allowed to stop production and go outside all day to smoke real cigs, i am not one of them. i'm a welder surrounded by blinds hiding me at my station so i been sneeking e cig hits right there while working. a trouble maker saw me and lied to supervisor and told him i go take 15 min bathroom breaks to vape. so the supervisor started peeking in on me and caught me vaping at my station so i been suspended for 4 days for violating company no smoking policy. yes supervisor knows it was a e-cig, i got no warrning and its not is rules and aparently he knows about them and wanted one for himself but was told no.....so hes very aware about e-cigs and i wasnt really smoking a real cig. like to point out again selected employees are allowed to go out side many times a day to smoke real ones.
is there anything i can do?
thanks
there is a no smoking policy at work except for breaks. selected few are allowed to stop production and go outside all day to smoke real cigs, i am not one of them. i'm a welder surrounded by blinds hiding me at my station so i been sneeking e cig hits right there while working. a trouble maker saw me and lied to supervisor and told him i go take 15 min bathroom breaks to vape. so the supervisor started peeking in on me and caught me vaping at my station so i been suspended for 4 days for violating company no smoking policy. yes supervisor knows it was a e-cig, i got no warrning and its not is rules and aparently he knows about them and wanted one for himself but was told no.....so hes very aware about e-cigs and i wasnt really smoking a real cig. like to point out again selected employees are allowed to go out side many times a day to smoke real ones.
is there anything i can do?
thanks
I have to chime in real quick...
I work for a large telecommunications company and I vape at my desk. Fortunately, I have an office with a door but I have coworkers who vape as well. So, most people think it is great that I quit analogs and I vape instead. So far, I've had no complaints. But I DID want to tell a funny story regarding the ignorance of the uninformed...
A few years back, my family decided it was easier to do Thanksgiving at a restaurant because my mother, who usually does the cooking, was sick from fighting cancer. So, this year was no different...we went a great restaurant in Thurmont, MD. The restaurant is a buffet style restaurant where you are seated and take your turn getting your food. The seating area is mostly tables opposed to booths...so, there isn't a whole lot of space. Anyway, after eating, I pulled out my black 510 and started vaping...right there at my seat. See, I'm trying to decide if I want to start selling these. So, I test the waters EVERYWHERE to see what kind of reaction I can get out of people and see if people are willing to at least HEAR the merits of vaping...hell, I haven't smoked since the first week of September. Well, this little old lady is sitting one table over and I can just FEEL she is DISGUSTED by my "smoking" inside. So, I proceed to explain to my 22 year old nephew how it is an e-cig and there is no second hand smoke, I can taste foods now, yada yada yada. All the while, making sure I am talking loud enough so this woman can hear me. Next thing I know, the waitress comes up and asks me if I am smoking. I told her no and the old lady tells me my lungs are filled with carbon and I shouldn't be smoking inside...yada yada yada. I proceed to tell her I am NOT smoking a cigarette and I am not breaking the no-smoking laws. She grabs her check in disgust and walks away.
Five minutes later, this nice older gentleman walks up to these men sitting at another table and starts talking to them. Then I hear the old lady....NOOOO, it's HIM!! HE is smoking. By this time, I am cracking up. This is nice man is the OWNER of the restaurant. You can tell he is just trying to appease the old lady by talking to me. So, I explain to him that it is an e-cig and not a real cigarette. He has a little trouble grasping the concept. Soooooo, I did what I have started doing with people who are misinformed about e-cigs, I handed him a two-sided business card size information booklet. See, I created a little four-panel card that explains what e-smoking is. It is a few FAQs on it, a diagram explaining how it works, etc. Once I gave that to him, he was fine. Ten minutes later, my waitress walks up and asks me if I have anymore of those information cards and asks if I sell them...some others on the wait staff want a card...lmao. I told her I don't sell them but if she went online to e-cigarette-forum.com, she would learn LOTS of information about e-cigs. Of course I gave her my email address in case she has any questions.
THe moral of my story? 1. Just a funny real life example of the ignorance of e-smoking and 2. a good idea of a way to educate people? Maybe one of these non-profits that says they are promoting e-smoking should create some information cards like I did. But if they do and I decide to start a business, can I put MY company name on there??? lmao
Take care and good vaping everyone.
Mike
I work for a large telecommunications company and I vape at my desk. Fortunately, I have an office with a door but I have coworkers who vape as well. So, most people think it is great that I quit analogs and I vape instead. So far, I've had no complaints. But I DID want to tell a funny story regarding the ignorance of the uninformed...
A few years back, my family decided it was easier to do Thanksgiving at a restaurant because my mother, who usually does the cooking, was sick from fighting cancer. So, this year was no different...we went a great restaurant in Thurmont, MD. The restaurant is a buffet style restaurant where you are seated and take your turn getting your food. The seating area is mostly tables opposed to booths...so, there isn't a whole lot of space. Anyway, after eating, I pulled out my black 510 and started vaping...right there at my seat. See, I'm trying to decide if I want to start selling these. So, I test the waters EVERYWHERE to see what kind of reaction I can get out of people and see if people are willing to at least HEAR the merits of vaping...hell, I haven't smoked since the first week of September. Well, this little old lady is sitting one table over and I can just FEEL she is DISGUSTED by my "smoking" inside. So, I proceed to explain to my 22 year old nephew how it is an e-cig and there is no second hand smoke, I can taste foods now, yada yada yada. All the while, making sure I am talking loud enough so this woman can hear me. Next thing I know, the waitress comes up and asks me if I am smoking. I told her no and the old lady tells me my lungs are filled with carbon and I shouldn't be smoking inside...yada yada yada. I proceed to tell her I am NOT smoking a cigarette and I am not breaking the no-smoking laws. She grabs her check in disgust and walks away.
Five minutes later, this nice older gentleman walks up to these men sitting at another table and starts talking to them. Then I hear the old lady....NOOOO, it's HIM!! HE is smoking. By this time, I am cracking up. This is nice man is the OWNER of the restaurant. You can tell he is just trying to appease the old lady by talking to me. So, I explain to him that it is an e-cig and not a real cigarette. He has a little trouble grasping the concept. Soooooo, I did what I have started doing with people who are misinformed about e-cigs, I handed him a two-sided business card size information booklet. See, I created a little four-panel card that explains what e-smoking is. It is a few FAQs on it, a diagram explaining how it works, etc. Once I gave that to him, he was fine. Ten minutes later, my waitress walks up and asks me if I have anymore of those information cards and asks if I sell them...some others on the wait staff want a card...lmao. I told her I don't sell them but if she went online to e-cigarette-forum.com, she would learn LOTS of information about e-cigs. Of course I gave her my email address in case she has any questions.
THe moral of my story? 1. Just a funny real life example of the ignorance of e-smoking and 2. a good idea of a way to educate people? Maybe one of these non-profits that says they are promoting e-smoking should create some information cards like I did. But if they do and I decide to start a business, can I put MY company name on there??? lmao
Take care and good vaping everyone.
Mike
malarkie...
Wow, that's a toughy. I would say DEFINITELY find a lawyer. But you ARE treading on thin ice since there is no legal presidence. But I STILL would be interested in seeing them PROVE you were breaking the No Smoking law. MOST no smoking laws that I have seen relate to burning tobacco and the clean air act...the Clean Air act does not address steam..or vapor. So, if ANYTHING, I would think you would have one helluva law suit for them....
Good luck and let us know how this landmark legislation turns out...
Wow, that's a toughy. I would say DEFINITELY find a lawyer. But you ARE treading on thin ice since there is no legal presidence. But I STILL would be interested in seeing them PROVE you were breaking the No Smoking law. MOST no smoking laws that I have seen relate to burning tobacco and the clean air act...the Clean Air act does not address steam..or vapor. So, if ANYTHING, I would think you would have one helluva law suit for them....
Good luck and let us know how this landmark legislation turns out...
thank you,
i have a few days to talk to one. this issue is still unresolved and im to meet with higher up's at when i return to work to possibly be fired over this. i will talk to a lawer but im really ...... i was snitched on and many other employees get to go outside and smoke real ones all day. I dont believe i was violating the anti smoking ban.
i have a few days to talk to one. this issue is still unresolved and im to meet with higher up's at when i return to work to possibly be fired over this. i will talk to a lawer but im really ...... i was snitched on and many other employees get to go outside and smoke real ones all day. I dont believe i was violating the anti smoking ban.
Personally, I don't think I would WANT to go back to work there. I think I would be on the horn with a lawyer and slapping a lawsuit on them SO fast for defamation of character, wrongful accusations, improper reprimand and whatever else a labor lawyer can come up with. I MAY be stretching it a bit but depending the size of the company you work for, I would be looking at RETIRING. Honestly. There is no law against vaping...not to my knowledge; if someone knows otherwise, please educate me and point me to the references. But I'm telling you friend, you NEED to contact a labor lawyer and find out what your rights are. And I wouldn't call the lawyers provided through your employee assistance program...I don't care what ANYONE says, if the job provides the assistance, they are on the job's side....
Good luck
Good luck
thank you for your time and advice.
i will be talking to a lawyer. what about discriminatly choosing employees who can violate company smoking policy and those employees are allowed to smoke outside when they want.
my copy of warning report clearly says violating company smoking policy and whell alot are allowed to but i wasnt. i was vaping. nothing against it in company handbook or rules.
and no i dont want to go back there the place sucks really bad.
most importantly if i am fired over this when i go back can i still collect unemployment???
i will be talking to a lawyer. what about discriminatly choosing employees who can violate company smoking policy and those employees are allowed to smoke outside when they want.
my copy of warning report clearly says violating company smoking policy and whell alot are allowed to but i wasnt. i was vaping. nothing against it in company handbook or rules.
and no i dont want to go back there the place sucks really bad.
most importantly if i am fired over this when i go back can i still collect unemployment???
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