Well, the party's over...ban at work

[soysos]

It's inevitable that ecigs will eventually be relegated to the break area smoking sections. Ultimately, most all smokers will quit or swap over to ecigs and the numbers will dictate that controls be put into place. You can't have everyone blowing vapor in a closed area with all the non-smokers. We knew it would come to that.

Electric cars can't park where gas models can't, either.

um, a lot of large scale shopping malls and office complexes have designated electric car parking with charging ports.

 

[Mrs C]

um, a lot of large scale shopping malls and office complexes have designated electric car parking with charging ports.

Yep and try parking your non electric car in one of those prime up by the building spots...

 

[gratefulbuddy]

............I don't see the need to put down someone for being unhappy about the change in situation.................

Agreed!
gpjoe, I am sorry this happened at your work. It is disheartening that an employer, who I would assume by your employment relies on manpower to be profitable, would make rules which seem to alienate their own workforce.

 

[philoshop]

I don't think anyone's questioning the business owners' rights to make the the rules in their workplaces. The concern is the motivation and rationale behind the rules.

Absolutely zero evidence exists that vapor from e-cigarettes causes any risk whatsoever to bystanders, and it's very likely that no such evidence will ever be found, yet people who engage in the activity are increasingly characterized as somehow less than 'normal' and commanded to deal with their 'abnormality' away from others.
And it's all because it LOOKS like smoking.

 

[gpjoe]

I don't think anyone's questioning the business owners' rights to make the the rules in their workplaces. The concern is the motivation and rationale behind the rules.

Absolutely zero evidence exists that vapor from e-cigarettes causes any risk whatsoever to bystanders, and it's very likely that no such evidence will ever be found, yet people who engage in the activity are increasingly characterized as somehow less than 'normal' and commanded to deal with their 'abnormality' away from others.
And it's all because it LOOKS like smoking.

You my friend have nailed it.

And to those who would suggest I find a new job: that ain't happening. I am a 35 year employee with stellar performance reviews, and can retire at any time. I don't work on an assembly line and my primary tools are a desk and computer. I thought the ONLY reason I haven't retired is because I get paid very well and have the coolest boss on the planet, but after hearing some of the would-be managers here, I realize now that apparently, on top of all, I work at a country club. Thank you for the perspective. Your stories have motivated me to stay for at least another five years.

So, if you're still confused about my motivation to post this tale of woe, please read philoshop's post that I have quoted. It should be crystal clear.

 

[gpjoe]

Agreed!
gpjoe, I am sorry this happened at your work. It is disheartening that an employer, who I would assume by your employment relies on manpower to be profitable, would make rules which seem to alienate their own workforce.

That's very kind, thank you.

 

[gpjoe]

Waaahhh! I want to wape at my desk and I can't. Get over it. Self control is a beautiful thing.

This is the absolute definition of irony. Look it up.

 

[Woofer]

You people don't get it. Your employer says you can't do this here. Your employer makes the rules. If you don;t like it then quit or stop complaining. You are an at will employee which means you work there at-will. Your not a slave or indentured servant. It's pretty simple. Start your own business where you can vape all day at your desk. The only one your a slave to is yourself because we need to keep buyin stuff we don't need.

You are complaining about people complaining.

 

[gpjoe]

You are complaining about people complaining.

Even more irony!

Thanks, I completely missed that gem.

 

[bman1977]

Lol. Have fun taking it to the man. I regretfully must retire myself from this thread because sanity has taken a backseat to lunacy. Thank you and have swell night.

 

[Scottitude]

This entire thread and every one like it is ironic.

Workplace and insurance carrier mandated vaping bans have been happening all over the place. Anyone who thinks their workplace - unless they are completely 100% self-employed or work in the vaping industry - won't eventually do the same thing is delusional.

Rather than drone on in yet another "woe is I, it's so unfair" thread, why not join or become more actively involved in CASAA?

Channel your energies in directions where they might make a difference instead of preaching (or complaining) to the choir!

 

[LeftofCenter]

Does anyone see that we get upset for being treated poorly for vaping and yet in a lot of these threads I see fat bashing?!

Aren't we better than that? Couldn't we find a better way of making our point?

 

[gpjoe]

This entire thread and every one like it is ironic.

Workplace and insurance carrier mandated vaping bans have been happening all over the place. Anyone who thinks their workplace - unless they are completely 100% self-employed or work in the vaping industry - won't eventually do the same thing is delusional.

Rather than drone on in yet another "woe is I, it's so unfair" thread, why not join or become more actively involved in CASAA?

Channel your energies in directions where they might make a difference instead of preaching (or complaining) to the choir!

Well, again, my thread is characterized as a tail of woe, which could not be further from the truth. I know I said it a few posts back, but it was tongue-in-cheek. You may have misinterpreted my intention in posting this, even though I have stated my reason multiple times and it's starting to get repetitive so I'll refrain from doing so again.

(Looks like we're neighbors )

 

[gpjoe]

Does anyone see that we get upset for being treated poorly for vaping and yet in a lot of these threads I see fat bashing?!

Aren't we better than that? Couldn't we find a better way of making our point?

I have often wondered why smokers seemed to be continually targeted with "sin" taxes when revenue could just as easily have been generated through alcohol and Big Mac taxes. All are unhealthy, but only cig taxes were repeatedly raised. I'm not singling out heavy people just making a point that there are other destructive habits that are ignored.

 

[LeftofCenter]

I have often wondered why smokers seemed to be continually targeted with "sin" taxes when revenue could just as easily have been generated through alcohol and Big Mac taxes. All are unhealthy, but only cig taxes were repeatedly raised. I'm not singling out heavy people just making a point that there are other destructive habits that are ignored.

This I understand and stated as such is not offensive. The way it is usually put out there..... pretty offensive.

 

[AndriaD]

This I understand and stated as such is not offensive. The way it is usually put out there..... pretty offensive.

The thing is... people smoking or vaping are told over and over, "it's a choice you're making." Well, the same applies to the morbidly obese -- yes, it's a difficult thing to do, to try and lose 100 lbs or more, probably just about as difficult as quitting smoking -- yet the morbidly obese are treated as if they have some disability, beyond their control, while smokers/vapers are treated like dirty addicts. If someone is +100 lbs overweight, they're addicts too -- to food. It's time for people to realize that getting that fat involved a LOT of bad choices; it's not a disability they were born with, or some accident that just *happened* to them -- they chose it with every bite they put in their mouths, just as smokers/vapers chose their addiction.

I don't "make fun" of the obese anymore, because karma came and found me with 30 lbs I didn't want, and then had to lose, and now that I'm past 50, losing 30 lbs is not an easy thing to do. But the obese are not disabled; they're free to make better choices at any time, and all it takes is educating themselves about better, healthier ways to eat. Smokers who've switched to vaping have educated themselves about a better, healthier way to live, which doesn't even harm others, yet we're still being treated like contagious lepers.

Andria

 

[LeftofCenter]

The thing is... people smoking or vaping are told over and over, "it's a choice you're making." Well, the same applies to the morbidly obese -- yes, it's a difficult thing to do, to try and lose 100 lbs or more, probably just about as difficult as quitting smoking -- yet the morbidly obese are treated as if they have some disability, beyond their control, while smokers/vapers are treated like dirty addicts. If someone is +100 lbs overweight, they're addicts too -- to food. It's time for people to realize that getting that fat involved a LOT of bad choices; it's not a disability they were born with, or some accident that just *happened* to them -- they chose it with every bite they put in their mouths, just as smokers/vapers chose their addiction.

I don't "make fun" of the obese anymore, because karma came and found me with 30 lbs I didn't want, and then had to lose, and now that I'm past 50, losing 30 lbs is not an easy thing to do. But the obese are not disabled; they're free to make better choices at any time, and all it takes is educating themselves about better, healthier ways to eat. Smokers who've switched to vaping have educated themselves about a better, healthier way to live, which doesn't even harm others, yet we're still being treated like contagious lepers.

Andria

I will respectfully disagree here. While a majority of overweight people are so because of over eating and lack of exercise, that is not the only reason for obesity. There are diseases of the endocrine system that can cause weight to go out of control no matter what a person does among other things. Never judge a book by it's cover as you do not know what is inside.

 

[AndriaD]

I will respectfully disagree here. While a majority of overweight people are so because of over eating and lack of exercise, that is not the only reason for obesity. There are diseases of the endocrine system that can cause weight to go out of control no matter what a person does among other things. Never judge a book by it's cover as you do not know what is inside.

I know that's true, but there are ways to minimize the problem; people who have a disorder like that, who stay on top of it, might be slightly overweight, not morbidly. I've always been blessed, till post-menopause, with a fast metabolism, but I've had my own weight battles to face -- post-baby, post alcoholic 12pak-every-day beer consumption... but I just *started* trying to deal with the problem, and eventually the trying paid off, and I lost the weight. Same is true, post-menopause... if I don't try, I gain more weight than I want; if I do try, it takes a LOT longer to see results now than it did when I was younger, but the effort *finally* pays off. Just saying "well I've got this metabolic problem, so nothing I can do about it," is just choosing to accept that one will always be overweight. Possibly one always will... but there's a difference in "slightly overweight" and "morbidly obese."

Andria

 

[sub4me]

Being overweight or underweight has nothing to do with not vaping at work that I can think of.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Does anyone see that we get upset for being treated poorly for vaping and yet in a lot of these threads I see fat bashing?!

Aren't we better than that? Couldn't we find a better way of making our point?

It's a childish response that has been used by children for ages. Johnny stop that! But what about Timmy he's doing X?

The most offensive thing is that adults are still using it and considering it a sound approach to something that negatively affects them. It's easier to attack someone else and make them look just as "guilty" rather than make your point based on reasoning and facts.