Vaping can be more expensive than smoking

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BostonVape

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Blahhhhh. vaping is pretty much as cheap as you make it. MBV makes some of the BEST juices to be found and they're only like $7/$8 a 30ml bottle. .

I don't know about the 'best' juices around.. they have some good ones, but they also have some iffy ones and some terrible ones (try popcorn and you will know what i mean)

try some high end vendors and you can tell the difference in quality for sure.

I would rather have a vendor that has say 15 unbelievable flavors than a site that has 200 flavors that just get made to get made.
 

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Funny.. i bought a sampler pack from an expensive juice vendor and the only upside was nice packaging, a card from a card deck and some colored strips of paper..

you know, i think this place is the one exception - because I have heard this from multiple people.

still the reason I haven't ordered from them (plus the vendors who do the whole 'we are open 1 day a year at midnight on the 2nd solar eclipse for 5 minutes)
 

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As for hierarchies and dictatorships, I was identifying the form of hierarchy you've been discussing. A hierarchy is merely any system in which something or someone is ranked one above the other. A dictatorship is when one person has control and/or power over the rest of the group. Neither of these describe the early behavior of children OR the behavior of most tribes. And whether you believe it or not, most healthy people today DON'T desire the "alpha" position. This kind of behavior is pretty exclusive to those with mental disorders, which continue to be grossly under-diagnosed. A healthy person is social, but feels no need to exert power/authority/etc. over others... they do, however, feel the urge to be social and share with others/help them. They maintain a healthy balance between meeting their needs and extending their skills to others. They are self-focused in that they take care of themselves but have no interest in controlling other people. Now we could debate this in to the ground, but that's all I care to say about this topic since you are obviously not even going to consider that you *might* be wrong in your assumptions. Personally, I will not even entertain the idea that your projection of humanity is as you state. I did at one time, and it led me through a miserable existence... which is why at my very core I know this ideology is the wrong way to go if one wants to be happy in their lives. I have LIVED under that kind of hierarchy, dictatorship, whatever you want to call it... and am much happier now that I have gotten away from that type of thinking and that type of existence. Either way, it's pretty unrelated to the current topic, so I'm jetting off. Ciao.

I debated with myself as to whether I should bother saying anything at all, but I'll just say this;
I made some very generalized and over simplified statements about VERY early man, and you
continue to talk about modern behavioral science and reference indian tribes.
I am wrong a lot, and I am the first one to admit it. I am even occasionally guilty of filtering someones
statements through my own world view, as you are. You have obviously been through a lot, and
made it out the other side still kicking so.. "Good on ya".

Peace be upon you, and have a nice day. :)
 

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Is this still the "Vaping can be more expensive than smoking" thread? Well, back in the day when I was a Mod I would've suggested to you guys to shut the f up and stop being pretentious because this is an e-cig forum. But that was then and this is a new world.......!!! Please - if you don't mind...
 

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Is this still the "Vaping can be more expensive than smoking" thread? Well, back in the day when I was a Mod I would've suggested to you guys to shut the f up and stop being pretentious because this is an e-cig forum. But that was then and this is a new world.......!!! Please - if you don't mind...
Go on.. finish the sentence lol
 

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That's right, I said it.
Not! I'm nearing ten months without tobacco products. Figuring $43.77 for a carton of Wilboros (lol), that near $1,300 here or there I could of spent. Juice? Haven't ever (EVER) bought any premade juice. Oh' What's a carto?
Could it be more expensive? Way more. R.J. Reynolds has their funds pushing the little minds in the government.
 

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    I think vaping can be as cheap or as expensive as you want to make it.

    Vaping is addicting with wanting to try new products and juice, but if limit yourself with how much you buy, then is a lot cheaper than smoking, especially if buying juices from some like MBV, can't beat there prices for the quality of there flavors.
     

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    well sure, I don't buy from these cheap vendors either.. but if you are complaining about $ being spent like the OP.. either buy cheaper juice or don't make a thread about it lol

    Where was I complaining? Just warning that cheap juices are usually cheap for a reason. I stick with Janty and Ovale at about 5usd per 10ml - quality is my main aim.

    Although I do have opportunity on Monday to visit an online manufacurer (I live in Shangha, CHina) / vendor I'm not allowed to name and test all their clearos / new tanks etc and juices and buy not in bulk which they are happy for me to do. The price they offer on Dekang RY4, menthol and virginia tobacco - my fave juices - per 250ml bottle is insane, so if it's good I will buy it and not have to order juice for like a year.
     
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    vplizajane

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    i have spent something of a small fortune switching from smoking even 3 packs a day to vaping (more expensive because i have both pg and sucralose sensitivities ... every time i try to vape "less expensive" juice with either of these things i end up paying for it by feeling awful) but my outlook is that i am doing this to quit smoking - and trying to quit smoking is miserable; vaping makes it "fun" - like a new hobby - and few hobbies are free!! in just a couple of months i have cut my nicotine intake (approximately, of course) by about half ... and dropping all the time. i am starting to get to the point at which i have found "hardware" that works for me and am trying just to buy larger bottles of just a few juice flavours i really like rather than trying lots of different flavours in smaller, often more expensive bottles. it is still not cheap, but it is starting to even out. i just keep telling myself you cannot put a price on your lungs, heart, &c ... and you can't!!
     

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    I "think" Im done buying stuff now I finally found the right atomizer and I just use ego battery and passthrough
    I buy 30ml of 24nic and cut it down to make like 80-100ml of my own juice, I did some bad math and Im about $30
    under even. took 3 months to find out what I want, now I can start saving $

    I went the opposite way. The wife and I started off with a cheap cig-a-like and prefilled cartos. Did that for a about a month then discovered I could refill and reuse those empty pre-filled's. So I bought some juice and started refilling. After a couple more months and several hundred dollars of savings we upgraded to 650mAH eGo-T pass through batteries with Mini Vivi Novas and Evods. Now at 5.5 months in, I am at about $1250 in savings. Now that I have a good buffer under my belt, now I am considering trying out something like an iTaste SVD. I could almost buy 1 of everything and still be in the positive. On the other hand I have made it this far without a "high end" PV so part of me says why bother now. Either way I have quite a bit more cash now than i would have still smoking.
     

    Heden Aklowd

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    Dude if you are paying $16-$20 for a 30ml bottle of juice you are getting ripped off. MtBakerVapor has great juice and sells 30ml bottles for $7.50-$8.50 each. I just bought 236ml of my all day juice for $40. That equates to about $0.17 per ml or about $1.00 day vaping 6ml/day ($0.50/day vaping 3ml).

    Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes, USA made E Juice, and Accessories
    I'll second MBV if it hasn't already been done. MBV make great juice @ great prices to order & ships it the same day you order it.
    Lots of vapers here love it.
    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/285341-mtbakervapor.html
     

    ScottP

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    Scotp - which would you say has the edge - the evod or the vivi novas? I'm going to a factory that makes em on monday (they said they'd sell small amounts to me no probs at reception!) and want to try both but if one has major advantages, I'd rather save money and get a handful of the better one....

    Honestly I like them both and use both daily. If you want to use so called "tank cracker" juices then an all metal Mini Vivi is the way to go. Otherwise they both have Pros and Cons. The Vivi being top coil likes to be horizontal and rolled around to keep the wicks wet while the Evod preferres to remain vertical. The Vivi is easier to refill with the removable top and it is the only one you can replace the drip tip on. The Evod has a built in tip and is bottom filled. I think the Evod, which uses ego threading, feels more sturdy on top of ego batteries. The Vivi Nova's 510 threading slightly less so. The Vivi is also easier to disassemble for cleaning and dry burning. As far as actually vaping both are good performers. The Vivi can get gurgly if over filled while the evod can seem a bit dry as it gets low even if there is a bit more juice left in it. Also the Evod has a bit more airy draw but you can block one of the holes to help with that. As I said both are great devices, but nothing is perfect. Really as inexpensive as they both are I would get one of each and try them out.

    One final thought: my Vivi Nova is Vision brand. I have heard stories that the Smok brand Vivi's are prone to leaking and sometimes have an issue with the center pin.

    I hope this helps you decide.
     

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    Cheers scotp!

    In all honesty it did help me a lot. I'm gonna stick with my 1.1ml tanks and ego-c atty, as they sound easier to maintain and have less possible performance issues and I'll probably get the Janty ego dual coil xl cartos when I get back to the UK (find them less hassle than tanks, tho tanks are fine, it's a tiny, tiny preference and if they still sold the old single coil ones would get those, I'm easily pleased.)

    You saved me an hour long subway ride each way and about a tenner on a cab ride, so cheers!

    Hotwire.
     
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