Vaping can be more expensive than smoking

[Hotwire]

Ha ha, cheers mist, but I'm too lazy to do that. That's why I'm sticking with the tanks, I'm used to it and it's hassle free. If you knew me you'd laugh at the idea of me doing that too.

Cost not too much an issue as long as it's not costlier than smoking, I'm happy - and at 1ml a day it is.

Cheers for the suggestion though, but I'm more of a place an order and pay for it, stick it in the tank kind of guy, pay for someone else to do the hard part. I don't even cook, I eat out all my meals - literally all I do in my kitchen is make coffee ha ha.

 

[catalyst]

When figuring your costs and benefits did you factor in the approximately $13,000 annually for emphysema treatments? Stopping smoking for vaping WILL save you money in the long term if you factor in medical costs associated with smoking, such as the yearly bronchitis.

 

[boomhower1820]

Nor me or my wife are saving any money smoking. But were aren't continuing to subject ourselves to all the cancer causing agents in analogs. The chance of living longer and seeing my grandkids grow up is more than worth any extra expense. That's not counting the increased quality of life from just being able to breath better. Money isn't everything. Analogs could be a dollar a pack and I wouldn't go back.

 

[Myk]

When figuring your costs and benefits did you factor in the approximately $13,000 annually for emphysema treatments? Stopping smoking for vaping WILL save you money in the long term if you factor in medical costs associated with smoking, such as the yearly bronchitis.

Will it?
Because I incurred about $20,000 in medical testing bills as a result of quitting nicotine and now have $500-$1000 a month in medicines that I have to take for the rest of my life (or until they stop working in which case double or triple that price). If we should include possible future bills that means I have to include real present bills and I'll never catch up. And I was just thinking I'm back to $1000 ahead, I could get an eVic, guess not.

I'm not saying vaping isn't healthier but don't believe they ANTZ propaganda that smoking absolutely WILL cause problems and that not smoking and getting off nicotine absolutely WILL make you healthy. That is not always the case for either claim. Smoking is definitely bad but a lot of the nicotine use is people self medicating for problems they don't know they have.

 

[catalyst]

Yes, it will for most people. I don't know what your particular medical condition was that made you have 20K in medical bills for quitting nicotine, but I can safely assume that most people won't have that problem. Smoking doesn't always cause lung cancer, but it does cause emphysema in most cases if the person smokes long enough. Bronchitis is easier to catch for a smoker, as is pneumonia.

 

[Heavyrocker]

1.Ego kit-$70
2.Smok Telescope-$50.00
3.Vamo-$54
4.Smok Natural Telescope-$60.00
5.Nova tanks-$20.00
6.AGAT2 Tankk $23.00
7.RSST Tank-$23.0
8,Juice $100.00
7.All Metal Nova tanks tubes $10.00
8.Wire and Mesh-$10.00

Total=$420.00 before tax,so about $500.00,if you look at the money i saved in 6 months by not smoking,$330.00,my break even point is not far away,i think its money well spent as i ENJOY vaping.

 

[Bosco]

I was doing DIY for a while but it got to be a pain mixing juice all the time. Also - I was never very good at it. So eventually I would run into situations where I was all out of juice except my unflavored base mix so I started vaping that.

I have to say, unflavored vaping is awesome! It's easy, cheap and I never get tired of the flavor. It's not really flavorless . .it's kind of sweet with a bite. It kind of reminds me of smoking - when I smoked, I wasn't always seeking out new flavors to try . .I smoked camel lights day in and day out.

Give it a shot if you want to save money. Wizard Labs sells 250 mls of 24mg nic for $13.50 I get mine in 100% VG and then add 25% PG for 18mg unflavored nic. Love the taste, love the throat hit.

 

[Heavyrocker]

I tried flavourless,just not my cup of tea.

 

[cardenio]

i was having bronchitus 3-4 times a year miniumum.... come on man look at the greater benefits. it could cost twice as much if i dont have to go to my doctor that many times a year lol. im a specific case because i have asthma but i sure couldnt keep smoking.

 

[sbc83]

My monthly budget is 1/3 ($20-25) of what I spent on analogs. I only vape about 1ml a day (Still go outside to vape,same routine) and buy 30ml Liqua for $6, so I do it on the cheap while still having half way decent liquid. That leaves enough room for me to stockpile various items on top of what i NEED that month. So when all said and done I'd probably only need to spend about $10 per month to maintain my vaping. A savings of $60 per month.

If I vaped a lot i'd more than likely get into diy.

 

[Markh5682]

Here in the UK a pack of cigarettes cost the equivalent of $12+ for the cheapie brands, considerably more for the premium brands, so vaping here in the UK offers significant savings, smoking cigarettes is an ongoing expense which is never going to get any less, vaping is expensive to get started with, but once you have bought the kit you need (or want) the cost goes down significantly, so it's much less of an ongoing expense.

I have bought quite a few things with the money I have saved over the last few months.

 

[Heavyrocker]

One30 ml bottle of Halo 12 mg last me 2 months,$10.00/mo is pretty dam good,i have too cut it with VG as i find it still too strong taste wise and TH straight up.

 

[Myk]

Yes, it will for most people. I don't know what your particular medical condition was that made you have 20K in medical bills for quitting nicotine, but I can safely assume that most people won't have that problem. Smoking doesn't always cause lung cancer, but it does cause emphysema in most cases if the person smokes long enough. Bronchitis is easier to catch for a smoker, as is pneumonia.

1 in 200 people have IBD, about half of those are Ulcerative Colitis. Nicotine seems to provide protection against UC making it known as a non-smoker's disease. Most won't have it, but many of those that do have it get bad after quitting won't make the connection unless they have an honest doctor because of the ANTZ brainwashing telling people nicotine is always bad, or they've learned to question everything the ANTZ say and have already educated themselves. (One reason I am so open about this is I had just learned about it about the time the flare I was in when I quit nicotine started, so not only did I ask the doctors if lack of nicotine could be the cause, once I got diagnosed I got their permission to go back on nicotine.)

Actually if you want to believe the ANTZ claims of "most" for one you may as well believe it's most for the other. The thin air numbers from ALA has 90% of all lung cancer attributed to smoking but only 80%-90% of COPD.
Just continue ignoring the fact that groups like that attribute any "smoking disease" to smoking if at all possible even if the person never smoked.

Cigarettes aren't a healthy habit but trying to figure in future costs that haven't happened is ludicrous. Just say you can't put a price on health. (Which I would still laugh at because I generally feel like crap since quitting but at least I wouldn't have any hard numbers showing I'll be dead long before I break even from vaping if I include medical costs.)

 

[e-pipeman]

Hi Myk,

My mum is 89 and has IBD (amongst other problems). I know what misery this sort of health issue can cause. Good luck with your condition - it seems that, for you, vaping is the perfect solution.

 

[catalyst]

You can in fact put a price on health and you can price future costs to a degree. The people who do that are called actuaries and they work for the insurance companies. I would venture that they don't find their line of work "ludicrous." My best friend has worked for BC/BS for over ten years in that capacity and believe me, there are loads of data involved in estimating someone's future life span. You most definately can put a price on smoking.

The reason I say *most* people who smoke will develop emphysema is because emphysema is basically any destruction of the alveoli in the lungs. It can also be caused by smoke inhalation (firefighters), air pollution (Beijing), or exposure to asbestos (Construction.) If you are smoking cigarettes you are directly causing damage to the lungs.

If you want hard numbers showing that smoking will shorten your life, they are out there.

I'll be honest with you, I don't know what we are arguing about.

 

[Leegim]

I agree with OP, in exception of the cigarettes part. never really did spent a whole lot on analogs BUT i do have a couple of hookah setups. Now that im into vaping, im so addicted to the MODS and juices. a buddy of mine ask why i get new juices every week, only one answer to that...

"IM NEVER SATISFIED!"
-Will Ferrell

 

[Myk]

Hi Myk,

My mum is 89 and has IBD (amongst other problems). I know what misery this sort of health issue can cause. Good luck with your condition - it seems that, for you, vaping is the perfect solution.

I don't have it so bad, especially since getting diagnosed and treated I have times where I'm actually normal which has been a rarity as far back as I can remember. So there is a silver lining.

I'll be honest with you, I don't know what we are arguing about.

Just the part of justifying vaping costs by predicted health costs. As I have proven the health costs can easily go the other way. It's really a crap shoot when looked at as an individual.
There's also Alzheimer's and Parkinson's to consider. Granted these things are protected against with nicotine so I guess the best bet would be to vape nicotine then offset the financial benefits to lowering the risk of UC, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's to the risk of heart problems then compare that to the Crohn's, lung and cancer issues of smoking.
Have your insurance friend crunch the numbers

I'd say you can't put a price on health because watching my (non-smoking) aunt die of cancer would've been priceless for anyone to avoid. I got my metal lathe at a great price because the guy (smoker) couldn't do anything any more because of emphysema, walking to the door was a chore.
If you can avoid dying in these ways it's worth a lot more than the medical costs they cause.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Vaping can be more expensive than smoking

Only if you let it be. If you quit smoking through vaping, that's priceless. If you then quit vaping and don't pick up smoking after that, it's priceless with a bonus.

[Rant]
If you want to consume less, consume less. Start living more. I agree with your comments about that. We're a consumer culture thats gone berserk. Some where along the line we went from primarily being a country who makes things to a country who consumes things. The more we consume, the less we actually have. Things become clutter, junk, excess. When poor countries hear that Americans actually have Self Storage for our excess crap, they are baffled. I'm baffled. We had a flood in our house about 8 years ago, we lost $60K worth a crap. The only things I missed were my camera and my computer out of all that crap, the rest was just waste. We have TV shows about people hoarding and collecting gross amounts of things. Kids shop for entertainment. Adults as well. I am guilty myself. Those of us who are consumers need to take a hard look at ourselves and stop equating living with buying. Thank you for inspiring this free form rant

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[Hotwire]

I have to say, unflavored vaping is awesome! It's easy, cheap and I never get tired of the flavor. It's not really flavorless . .it's kind of sweet with a bite. It kind of reminds me of smoking - when I smoked, I wasn't always seeking out new flavors to try .

Lol I was vaping a near flavorless tobacco juice last night and I loved it, that sweet perfumy aftertaste from the vg or pg lol.

 

[rnln]

juice is not expensive, even with between 10 to 15 ml a day like I do. Hardware is expensive, even with poor man like me, always buy cheap products. My RSST just cracks. Now I want to find the replacement glass instead of buying the whole rsst unit.