Vaping gave me Eosinophilic Pneumonia, and I DONT use THC of any kind.

[Vapntime]

Hmm it makes me worry about this recent Australian study
I'm not saying this is the cause or that it wasn't caused by other ecig factors.

The link is 'new study' in the article. Ignore the article I cant link to the study for some reason
Vaping destroys lining and immune cells in the lung, says study

If this study is accurate there could be issue with various pneumonia.

From what I have read in most cases the lungs will return to normal function without damage after a period of time.

If you are smoking cigarettes your lungs may not recover as well.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

The thing that makes this so tricky is how vastly different certain vapes are. I vape at less than half the wattage of OP with no flavoring (or very little, sometimes), on DIY SS316 coils with rayon wick. And many people vape completely differently than either OP or myself.

So it could be related to the high wattage or perhaps something in the strawberry flavoring. It could be related to the coil materials in use. It could be something else entirely that none of us are thinking about.

I'm glad OP is doing better and was willing to share this experience with us in such a respectful and informative way.

 

[Vapntime]

I think there is some minor evidence now trickling through that it is the actual vapor causing injury to the lung as the above study suggests even PG, VG and nicotine were found to be able to cause lung irritation/injury alone. If you have asthma or any other lung condition at this stage I would be thinking of an alternative route, DIY nicotine oral/nasal spray etc. Its best to be on the safe side until some further information is available especially for those with compromised lung function or anyone with established symptoms.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I'm open to that possibility but incredibly dubious that it's the case. That said, I wholeheartedly agree that if one is experiencing any symptoms at all related to this, an alternative route/full cessation is in one's best interest. Definitely.

So far over my 5+ years vaping, the last several of which I vape somewhere between 10-30ml/day depending on the day, I've had no symptoms or issues with breathing or chest pain etc. The only thing that I've noticed (which I attribute to something else, but am open to the possibility that it's related to vaping) is a weakened immune system. Particularly the last two years, I've spent a lot of time being sick with a cold/virus/etc. But that's been true of a lot of people around me as well. So IDK, but like I say, I'm laser-focused on this whole situation with great interest and a healthy dose of concern.

 

[Horselady154]

I use to build myself years ago, Mostly use SMOK or HORIZON coils now and have for the last 2 years.

Huh? I thought you quit vaping and went back to smoking.

 

[LoriP1702]

So sorry you're having problems.

For anyone questioning the components of vaping, this is long, but a very informative read.
The witch hunt against e-cigarettes continues while people get sick from illicit THC and remain uninformed

 

[puffon]

I know there is a long term risk of smoking cigs, but it's better than dropping dead now in my specific case.

Did your pulmonologist tell you there is no short term risk to smoking?

 

[Vapntime]

So sorry you're having problems.

For anyone questioning the components of vaping, this is long, but a very informative read.
The witch hunt against e-cigarettes continues while people get sick from illicit THC and remain uninformed

I'm sure we are all aware of the thc issue now - no offence. However, there are still studies being carried out on nicotine, pg, vg vaping only. I think Dr Farsalinos is great, however we have to view all things critically and accept that Dr Farsalinos is most likely pro nicotine, vg and pg vaping. We can't have all our eggs in one basket and I'm am not trying to insinuate that Dr Farsalinos facts are not just that - real facts.

 

[LoriP1702]

I'm sure we are all aware of the thc issue now - no offence. However, there are still studies being carried out on nicotine, pg, vg vaping only. I think Dr Farsalinos is great, however we have to view all things critically and accept that Dr Farsalinos is most likely pro nicotine, vg and pg vaping. We can't have all our eggs in one basket and I'm am not trying to insinuate that Dr Farsalinos facts are not just that - real facts.

...well, no offense, everyone is free to research on their own, draw their own conclusions, and live their life accordingly...I agree, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of the issue. If it wasn't obvious, the link to the article was posted for reference to other scientific studies.

 

[vaperXant]

Huh? I thought you quit vaping and went back to smoking.

Slight of words, meaning I used coils like that two years before I stopped vaping which was only a few weeks ago at this point. Since I stopped, I have been getting better and relying less on my inhalers. I do occasionally take a drag of my wifes e-cig because I miss the taste.

 

[vaperXant]

Did your pulmonologist tell you there is no short term risk to smoking?

No he wanted me to quit completely obviously, going back to smoking was my idea but I will be starting the Nico medication shortly to stop completely. Resuming smoking at all is obviously not recommended, but in my case, it was better than sudden death which at one point I certainly faced. (Worse part is for a while there was very little info about vaping out, and I didn't initially take my doctor seriously until it got a lot worse even after being hospitalized once.) There is weird shortness of breath I get after smoking an e-cig that progressively gets worse that I don't get from smoking, almost like I have water in my lungs.

Going back to smoking was really a test to see if I stopped getting this shortness of breathe attacks, and it actually helped. I think the thing that really pushed me over the edge, is when I was on a family trip recently and the news about vaping was just starting to break, I bummed a cig off someone for the first time in years and we got to talking. I told him I was a vaper and he told me how he use to vape heavily but it gave him severe phenomena so he went back to smoking and got better. This is what gave me the idea to go back to smoking and it actually worked, I am getting better now and I'm not sure in a half sick state depending on my inhaler and waking up out of breathe.

Overall, my goal is to quit in general so I have been working with my doctor on that. Originally, They did not want to put my on the nico medication because they were worried the dosage would be too high with me being on 3MG liquid. Going back to smoking from brought my tolerance back up so that shouldn't be a problem now.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

No he wanted me to quit completely obviously, going back to smoking was my idea but I will be starting the Nico medication shortly to stop completely. Resuming smoking at all is obviously not recommended, but in my case, it was better than sudden death which at one point I certainly faced. (Worse part is for a while there was very little info about vaping out, and I didn't initially take my doctor seriously until it got a lot worse even after being hospitalized once.) There is weird shortness of breath I get after smoking an e-cig that progressively gets worse that I don't get from smoking, almost like I have water in my lungs

I wonder if you are one of those rare cases of developing an extreme allergic reaction to one of the components in your eliquid you used to use?

Allergies sound mild, but they can be extreme enough to kill, eg. peanut allergy, or anaphylaxis from a bee sting, penicillin, etc. Was it just your lungs, or did it affect your mouth/sinus cavities, throat, or tongue?

Staying away from vaping sounds like the best bet for your safety. Swedish Snus is supposed to be a good nrt option for quitting smoking, maybe look into that.

 

[vaperXant]

I'm open to that possibility but incredibly dubious that it's the case. That said, I wholeheartedly agree that if one is experiencing any symptoms at all related to this, an alternative route/full cessation is in one's best interest. Definitely.

So far over my 5+ years vaping, the last several of which I vape somewhere between 10-30ml/day depending on the day, I've had no symptoms or issues with breathing or chest pain etc. The only thing that I've noticed (which I attribute to something else, but am open to the possibility that it's related to vaping) is a weakened immune system. Particularly the last two years, I've spent a lot of time being sick with a cold/virus/etc. But that's been true of a lot of people around me as well. So IDK, but like I say, I'm laser-focused on this whole situation with great interest and a healthy dose of concern.

When I got sick it wasn't really like a cold, more like a nagging cough that lingered for months before rapidly turning into full-blown pneumonia. The hospitals at first had a really hard time figuring out what was wrong, it took me several months and a specialist to identify the issue and a treatment plan, and I really believe if I had gotten the wrong doctor who flagged my case in my prob 5th ER visit to a specialist with experience in rare lung conditions, I would have likely died or been in a coma.

But I don't really feel like it was an immune system-related issue nor was I getting colds more often at that point. I read a few similar articles, previously where others had similar symptoms of a lingering cough that suddenly turns into severe lung damage.

 

[vaperXant]

I wonder if you are one of those rare cases of developing an extreme allergic reaction to one of the components in your eliquid you used to use?

Allergies sound mild, but they can be extreme enough to kill, eg. peanut allergy, or anaphylaxis from a bee sting, penicillin, etc. Was it just your lungs, or did it affect your mouth/sinus cavities, throat, or tongue?

Staying away from vaping sounds like the best bet for your safety. Swedish Snus is supposed to be a good nrt option for quitting smoking, maybe look into that.

I've thought about that too, but it was really limited to pneumonia. I didn't have any swelling, rashes or telltale allergies signs. I guess it's still possible though.

Also I use to use SKOAL SNUS, is there a better type I can try now?

 

[Blitzdonlife]

I'm not sure if skoal brand was real snus, I think it's made differently. Swedish snus from wikipedia
Snus - Wikipedia

One popular brand is called General, there are many.

 

[vaperXant]

I'm not sure if skoal brand was real snus, I think it's made differently. Swedish snus from wikipedia
Snus - Wikipedia

One popular brand is called General, there are many.

Ya it's been a while but I remember getting some general as well. I just went to the gas station and found some new products for nicotine replacement called RYN nicotine only patches in 3 and 6MG. I tried the coffee and mint and they are actually pretty good. I purchased them instead of cigs and they seem to do the trick so I will go with it for a bit and see how it goes.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Ya it's been a while but I remember getting some general as well. I just went to the gas station and found some new products for nicotine replacement called RYN nicotine only patches in 3 and 6MG. I tried the coffee and mint and they are actually pretty good. I purchased them instead of cigs and they seem to do the trick so I will go with it for a bit and see how it goes.

Good luck, hope SNUS works out for you. I'll have to look into RYN, thinking about getting into SNUS lately.

 

[vaperXant]

Good luck, hope SNUS works out for you. I'll have to look into RYN, thinking about getting into SNUS lately.

RYN actually isn't SNUS, it's nicotine SALT flavored pouches with nicotine extract only, no tobacco apparently. Thank you though! I also ordered one online called ON! Berry 4 MG which is apparently like redbull flavor.

 

[vaperXant]

I was thinking it might be a good idea to have a harm reduction sticky now that the side effects of poor reactions to vaping are becoming more clear. I suspect some major lawsuits, similar to when the cig companies were all fined, are likely in the works at this point, although I personally am not interested in such.

In my case, shortness of breathe, coughing, low oxygen levels and severe weight loss (15+ pounds over 12 months) were all in effect. I don't think it should be a generalized warning, rather if you seeing these side effects you should visit your doctor and cease smoking.

Here are some of the most common side effects I have seen in similar cases to mine online.

These include the difficulty of breathing, chest pain, coughing, or shortness of breath. In some cases, patients experienced nausea, vomiting, fever, ........ and weight loss.

The most distressing factor for my doctors and the hospitals were low O2 levels in the blood, especially at my age being otherwise healthy. This can be checked with an O2 thumb reader from amazon if anyone is interested to see if side effects are onsettings. (If you're below 98% I believe, it's a cause for concern) Unforchantly, I was sick for nearly a year before I knew how low my O2 levels were and it was very very odd to the doctors, really that was the thing that prompted specialists to get involved.

I was reading a link someone else posted in this thread which had a promoted article to this,

Scans show vaping teen’s lungs blocked with solidified oil

In this article, it mentions a very similar finding even worse than my own O2 readings. (37%)

“Left lung is about 80% congested and right is about 50%, O2 level was 37! According to the doctor, this is showing areas that have essentially solidified like bacon grease. The pulmonary doctor said he had seen dead people with a higher O2 level,” Tanya Marie, the boy’s mother, posted on her Facebook.

The doctors said that Anthony’s case needs to be reported to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the vape oil or chemical he had been using has been sent for testing. His case is the first in Pennsylvania, and now, doctors said he has the lungs of a 70-year-old lifetime heavy smoker.

 

[Horselady154]

I'm open to that possibility but incredibly dubious that it's the case. That said, I wholeheartedly agree that if one is experiencing any symptoms at all related to this, an alternative route/full cessation is in one's best interest. Definitely.

So far over my 5+ years vaping, the last several of which I vape somewhere between 10-30ml/day depending on the day, I've had no symptoms or issues with breathing or chest pain etc. The only thing that I've noticed (which I attribute to something else, but am open to the possibility that it's related to vaping) is a weakened immune system. Particularly the last two years, I've spent a lot of time being sick with a cold/virus/etc. But that's been true of a lot of people around me as well. So IDK, but like I say, I'm laser-focused on this whole situation with great interest and a healthy dose of concern.

For me, before I stopped smoking and started vaping, I got bronchitis twice a year. Since then, and that has been about 10 years, I have gotten it 0 times.