Vaping Hypocricy?

[Sane Asylum]

What do vapors really want when it comes to where they feel they have the 'right' to vape? It's interesting that there are two threads here today. One is about where vapors feel it's okay to vape and the other is about smokers complaining about the smell of some vapes. In the latter thread, posters have mentioned liquids that smell pretty awful. In the other thread, they are posters who say they vape pretty much wherever they want.

Contrary to what some may think, vapor does create a smell and sometimes that smell isn't so pleasant. Do vapers have a right to impose that smell on other people, especially in closed situations like a restaurant? And yeah, there are people out there who smell up areas with perfume, food, bad breath, etc., but isn't using that to justify vaping hypocritical?

Personally, I've always thought that smoking, and now vaping, should be up to business owners, not the government. This gives people a choice.

 

[spartanstew]

It should be up to the business owner, correct.

And if I was a business owner, I doubt I would allow vaping in a restaurant (or similar) just for the reasons you mentioned, and in addition a cloud of vape isn't visually appealing - especially when there's a lot of it. I've seen pictures of vape meets where the visibility was less than 10 feet. Certainly wouldn't want that in a restaurant or movie theater or many other places. True, there's other things that smell (for example), but they're not often controllable. Vaping is.

 

[gingersnaps]

IMO the government can say if we can/can't vape in or near government and government funded buildings. However outdoors unless on government property should not be banned. in and around private businesses should not have bans based on legal bans. Basically the government should only ban things that are perfectly legal on their own property not everybody else's property.

Business owners should have the right to allow or deny vaping or anything else on their own.

 

[Harlen]

To each there own
Till there are laws against vaping I will vape where I please and if you don't like it kiss my ash-tray

 

[second2none]

Was this debated when cologne was invented ?

 

[spartanstew]

Was this debated when cologne was invented ?

Cologne was invented to cover up body odor, which was rampant at the time. I'm pretty sure the strong smell of colognes and perfumes was preferred.

 

[EddardinWinter]

IMO the government can say if we can/can't vape in or near government and government funded buildings. However outdoors unless on government property should not be banned. in and around private businesses should not have bans based on legal bans. Basically the government should only ban things that are perfectly legal on their own property not everybody else's property.

Business owners should have the right to allow or deny vaping or anything else on their own.

Who is the government?

It is us. Not the elected, but the whole of the people.

There needs to be a rational and justifiable reason for the government to ban any legal activity. The burden should be far greater for a government property ban.

Individual private owners can ban it for any reason or no reason at all. The property right of an owner trumps all other considerations.



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[Baldr]

It should be up to the business owner, correct.

Agreed.

I've seen pictures of vape meets where the visibility was less than 10 feet.

But I have to call BS on that, unless someone was running a fog machine as a joke or something like that.

 

[FringeChief68]

But they are scary,
I mean people sucking on them, and this smoke like stuff comes out, and people gave up cigarettes for these, and Worst of all,
They all seem Happy!

WE MUST BAN THEM ALL

 

[spartanstew]

But I have to call BS on that, unless someone was running a fog machine as a joke or something like that.

Nope, not BS at all, but I'm not going to search for them. You don't think 100 people vaping in a room reduces visibility? Really?

And while it's not a vape meet (it's a vape store, and a darn good one), and I know the lighting has an effect, I certainly wouldn't want to be watching a movie or eating out with my kids in an environment like this:

But, you might be different.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Nope, not BS at all, but I'm not going to search for them. You don't think 100 people vaping in a room reduces visibility? Really?

And while it's not a vape meet (it's a vape store, and a darn good one), and I know the lighting has an effect, I certainly wouldn't want to be watching a movie or eating out with my kids in an environment like this:

But, you might be different.

OMG, I know it's just vape but that's kinda gross. I'd have turn around and come back another time.
And yeah, we're all exchanging what each other exhales anyway but I guess I just don't like seeing it.

 

[Baldr]

You don't think 100 people vaping in a room reduces visibility? Really?

To 10 feet like you claimed? No, I don't.

 

[FringeChief68]

Nope, not BS at all, but I'm not going to search for them. You don't think 100 people vaping in a room reduces visibility? Really?

And while it's not a vape meet (it's a vape store, and a darn good one), and I know the lighting has an effect, I certainly wouldn't want to be watching a movie or eating out with my kids in an environment like this:

But, you might be different.

I say this is a bad Venting System. If your going to make a place for Vape or Smoke you need to make sure to have good ventilation.

 

[spartanstew]

To 10 feet like you claimed? No, I don't.

If the person in front of you is blowing clouds, the visibility could be 1 foot. Face it, some people take thing to extremes. Just because you wouldn't purposefully blow huge clouds around others, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. They would.

If you weren't a vapor, would you want these folks next to you:

What's your visibility there?

 

[wv2win]

What do vapors really want when it comes to where they feel they have the 'right' to vape? It's interesting that there are two threads here today. One is about where vapors feel it's okay to vape and the other is about smokers complaining about the smell of some vapes. In the latter thread, posters have mentioned liquids that smell pretty awful. In the other thread, they are posters who say they vape pretty much wherever they want.

Contrary to what some may think, vapor does create a smell and sometimes that smell isn't so pleasant. Do vapers have a right to impose that smell on other people, especially in closed situations like a restaurant? And yeah, there are people out there who smell up areas with perfume, food, bad breath, etc., but isn't using that to justify vaping hypocritical?

Personally, I've always thought that smoking, and now vaping, should be up to business owners, not the government. This gives people a choice.

Interesting, when this subject has been beaten to death and now you start another one?? When the reasons proffered for vaping bans/restrictions are lies, then that is hypocritical. Why is it that ECF members with only a few days to a few months of forum experience have this burning desire to start thread, after thread, after thread on this topic but won't go to the "vaping in public" sub-forum and read all the hundreds of threads on this subject? That is a more interesting and disquieting question. Is that more difficult than just spouting off???

 

[mare ze dotes]

as a simple ego vaper. I too have noticed that the vape travels long. Or at least much longer than I first thought. Thin as it is it does go across the room

 

[EddardinWinter]

Nope, not BS at all, but I'm not going to search for them. You don't think 100 people vaping in a room reduces visibility? Really?

And while it's not a vape meet (it's a vape store, and a darn good one), and I know the lighting has an effect, I certainly wouldn't want to be watching a movie or eating out with my kids in an environment like this:

But, you might be different.

I can see much greater than ten feet.

Is the air visibly foggy, yes. But not to ten foot visibility, which is what BS was called on...



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[Recycled Roadkill]

While most topics here have been beaten to death, there's always lots of new folks that have never seen them. I can't say as it hurts anything at all.

 

[six]

IMO the government can say if we can/can't vape in or near government and government funded buildings. .

You say that like you don't own those things as much as the person next to you (and I'm only assuming you are a US resident - if not, then what I say next is very dependent on what country you are a citizen of and may not be true). You are the govt. You own those buildings and properties. You paid for them - your ancestors paid for them - your relatives paid for them - your descendents will pay for them - You own it, not some 'thing' called "government". We the People are "the government" and We the People own "the government" and it is up to us what "the government" can or can not do. Thinking the government is its own entity and has its own rights and is somehow something that deserves personhood and the rights that go along with the idea of humanity is simply incorrect. - The court house? You own it. The Federal building in your area - you own it. The National Parks and Monuments - yup, those are yours. The State Capitol - you may as well have your name on the deed. .... Those are all yours. And, they are mine too.

 

[EddardinWinter]

If the person in front of you is blowing clouds, the visibility could be 1 foot. Face it, some people take thing to extremes. Just because you wouldn't purposefully blow huge clouds around others, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. They would.

If you weren't a vapor, would you want these folks next to you:

What's your visibility there?

Greater than ten feet in every picture. Its not even close.



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