Vaping Hypocricy?
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Additionally, the photo is taken into the light, making the phenomenon look the worst possible.
I agree that the ventilation in these situations is key. A properly ventilated space can have a high density of vapors in it with very little impact on visibility.
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And the fact that people still talk about it means it's not dead.
Not talking about it makes it easier for governments to get things their way.
I have vaped in two situations that made me realize the vapor lingers in the air long after it is invisible. When vaping in a cold bathroom with a hot shower running and when I vaped in a freezing cold barn while tending some horses. In both cases you can see the vapor lingering in a cloud much, much longer than you can at room temperature. That means to me that the vapor is still there even if you can't see it, and personally I don't think I have a right to force anyone to breath my secondhand vapor if they don't want to and especially if they aren't even aware that they're doing it. I'll step outside and have a vape just like I would a cigarette if I feel it will bother people. However, I vape freely in my own home which I definitely would not do if I were smoking cigarettes due to the stink and the tar staining everything. I'm not vaping to prove a point or to protest or to be able to do it everywhere, I'm vaping because I like vaping and part of that enjoyment is knowing I'm not spreading bad vibes around.
This debate is a very stupid one. No offense...
Cologne, perfume, or anything of that nature is applied in private, at home, in the car, or a bathroom. People do not go around spraying themselves with this stuff while out at a restaurant or on a public bus. If you vape out of sight and out of mind, and then go out in public, then it could be compared to cologne.
I do not mind a person next to me smelling of cologne. I do not mind a person next to me smelling like what they vaped earlier. What I do mind is someone blowing vapor within vicinity of my meal.
I vape in my car and my house.
But when I'm out and about I treat it like a cigarette. It's just not worth the hassle and weird looks / questions etc.
I really don't think it's a big deal.
My "right" to vape is the same as my "right" to smoke.
When it only effects me. it's up to me.
If it has any effect (perceived or otherwise) on anyone else, I just move away and do my thing.
Common courtesy really. As long as a thing effects no one else, go do whatever the hell you want and don't tell me not to.
As soon as you have any effect on others.. just be a decent human.
I don't see what the big deal is..
j.
But when I'm out and about I treat it like a cigarette. It's just not worth the hassle and weird looks / questions etc.
I really don't think it's a big deal.
My "right" to vape is the same as my "right" to smoke.
When it only effects me. it's up to me.
If it has any effect (perceived or otherwise) on anyone else, I just move away and do my thing.
Common courtesy really. As long as a thing effects no one else, go do whatever the hell you want and don't tell me not to.
As soon as you have any effect on others.. just be a decent human.
I don't see what the big deal is..
j.
This, all day long, but...
What about the various bans on public property?
--Beaches
--Parks
--College campuses
--Hospital campuses
Please note that campuses usually includes parking lots, even in your own car.
So you would support a ban on vaping in all places other than the ones you choose to vape? In this case, your car or your house. So a ban on all public vaping of any kind other than the vaper's car or vaper's home is acceptable?
If they deserve accommodations, you do too, right? What makes a non-vaper have a right not to see your vapor but you as a vapor not have a right to produce it? Or what give you the right to produce it, but them not have protection from seeing it? -- See the problem with not just letting people work these things out among themselves?
I miss living in a free country. I miss it terribly. Where and when I grew up, people kept their nose out of my business. If someone did have any issue with something I did, they came and told me about it and we talked about it. -- Now? This idea of the government somehow having its own rights to involve itself to one individuals benefit and anothers' detriment is firmly entrenched to everyone's detriment, but not everyone seems to recognize that ... or maybe everyone does recognize that, but many want it that way so they can impose their will or views on others or avoid reasonable interactions with others altogether. It's sad.
THIS is what bugs the peewine out of me,,,,,,,
I am generally very reasonable about where I vape, but DAMMED if you're going to tell me I can't vape in my OWN CAR.
your rights end where my nose begins or something like that?
you make a point,,,,,,but here's the rub,,,,,,,we KNOW fresh air is reasonably safe.
and although we really REALLY THINK vapor is safe,,,,,,,,,we don't yet have the science to prove it,,,,,,
therefore, err on the side of caution.
That's an excellent place to be if you need to disinfect because your significant other is coming down with something.Nope, not BS at all, but I'm not going to search for them. You don't think 100 people vaping in a room reduces visibility? Really?
And while it's not a vape meet (it's a vape store, and a darn good one), and I know the lighting has an effect, I certainly wouldn't want to be watching a movie or eating out with my kids in an environment like this:
But, you might be different.
and considering some countries in the world,,,,,,,,,,,,and I've been to a few of them,,,,,,,,this one is pretty damm free.
I look at it this way: Vape considerately.
I try not to vape in the face of other people or in large gathering areas because I try to be considerate of others. The same way that I expect them not to belch and blow it in my face. We should have the ability to vape where we want when we want, but we should also be mindful of the situation and be considerate. Being a fog machine in a room, no matter how much enjoyment it brings us, might be annoying to others. This makes us seem rude. Being considerate of others helps them see your point. By not fogging them out they will see you as enjoying your habit without pushing it on them. Be respectful of others, especially non-vapers and they will likely be more respectful of us.
My friends and I vape. We will vape where ever its allowed. But if we are asked to stop or take it away from a group of people we will. At work we were originally asked to take it outside with the smokers. We didn't argue or put up a stink. In fact we enjoyed going outside when it was nice. When it started getting cold the non-smokers actually took our side and convinced management to allow us to vape in the exit area that leads to the smokers huts, because it is a heated and ventilated area well away from the majority of the employees, but kept us out of the cold and bad weather. We were respectful to them and they were respectful of us.
The other day at while at the mall, my friend James and I ran into 3 people hanging outside the food court entrance blowing vapor into the faces of people entering and leaving the building. They were pissing people off and handing out pamphlets to convince people to request that the small vape seller carts in the mall be removed. They were just dragging on the e-cig to fill their mouth and discharging the vapor at people to get reactions. When people confronted them, they explained that they were using no nic carts but doing this as an example of what will happen if people don't take a stand against the sale of e-cigs in the mall. Luckily a cop made them leave.
If we act like the people we ran into at the mall, the people being disrespectful of others to prove their point, we are just going to solidify their point while shooting ourselves in the foot at the same time. A little consideration goes a long way.
I try not to vape in the face of other people or in large gathering areas because I try to be considerate of others. The same way that I expect them not to belch and blow it in my face. We should have the ability to vape where we want when we want, but we should also be mindful of the situation and be considerate. Being a fog machine in a room, no matter how much enjoyment it brings us, might be annoying to others. This makes us seem rude. Being considerate of others helps them see your point. By not fogging them out they will see you as enjoying your habit without pushing it on them. Be respectful of others, especially non-vapers and they will likely be more respectful of us.
My friends and I vape. We will vape where ever its allowed. But if we are asked to stop or take it away from a group of people we will. At work we were originally asked to take it outside with the smokers. We didn't argue or put up a stink. In fact we enjoyed going outside when it was nice. When it started getting cold the non-smokers actually took our side and convinced management to allow us to vape in the exit area that leads to the smokers huts, because it is a heated and ventilated area well away from the majority of the employees, but kept us out of the cold and bad weather. We were respectful to them and they were respectful of us.
The other day at while at the mall, my friend James and I ran into 3 people hanging outside the food court entrance blowing vapor into the faces of people entering and leaving the building. They were pissing people off and handing out pamphlets to convince people to request that the small vape seller carts in the mall be removed. They were just dragging on the e-cig to fill their mouth and discharging the vapor at people to get reactions. When people confronted them, they explained that they were using no nic carts but doing this as an example of what will happen if people don't take a stand against the sale of e-cigs in the mall. Luckily a cop made them leave.
If we act like the people we ran into at the mall, the people being disrespectful of others to prove their point, we are just going to solidify their point while shooting ourselves in the foot at the same time. A little consideration goes a long way.
I don't have to vape in any of these places. Now let's say I'm on a beach or in a park and I'd like to have a vape. Well, if there isn't someone close enough to me to be bothered by it, I'd probably do it inconspicuously and take my chances on not being caught, knowing that it's doubtful that the wind is going to carry the vape THAT far to actually bother anyone. On hospital property, um, that just goes without saying. Why do you need to vape in a hospital? On a college campus, well, probably there's some designated smoking area that you can vape in I would imagine, if not, just obey the rules--what's the problem?
Well, that is no reason for us to surrender freedoms. Now, you can make a rational argument against public vaping in certain circumstances, and I will be happy to listen to it.
But just because we have greater freedoms than the people in North Korea or China, that is absolutely no reason to give any up. Not one inch of individual freedom should be yielded without cause, IMHO. If vaping makes people less healthy and there is a danger to second hand vapor, fine. If there are verified dangers of vaping that can be transferred to other non-vapers, fine. If an owner of a restaurant chooses to not allow vaping on his premises, fine.
A government ban in public places including private businesses equivalent to the smoking bans? No way.
I just think that if you "have" to vape everywhere, that's because you're addicted to nicotine and simply must have it. But you caused your own nicotine addiction. You shouldn't expect others to accommodate you just because you got yourself addicted to nicotine, and there is nicotine in secondhand vape. People have the right not to have to breath your secondhand nicotine. That's where I stand on it.
I beg to differ... I have seen it, although it was a public school bus. they'd spray their self then make a blow torch on the bus... I nearly had my .... set on fire all while choking on half a can of axe. These were the same people who would smoke on the bus, too.
Anyway, If I weren't a vaper I'd rather breathe in second hand vape than second hand smoke. Plus the smells would be awesome!
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I dare you.
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I dare you.
There are studies of the second hand effects of vaping that refute this assertion. One is the famous Drexel study. One is on an active thread in this forum. So if there is no threat of secondhand nicotine, do you support public vaping when an establishment's owner permits it?
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