Vaping Hypocricy?

[Uma]

My fear is the more the general public sees vaping in non-smoking areas, the more they are going to become reserved about it. There may not be many rules now, but they can definitely be on the way. My two cents is vape on, vape proud, but keep it on the DL a little when in restaurants and bars. I love it, I take liberties with vaping that I never would dare do with smoking.

So far most of us have been greeted with wide eyed hope and excitement from non smokers who have loved ones who do smoke. The questions water falling from their lips are a rush!
Smokers take awhile to come around. They need more exposure.
Ive only met 2people out of hundreds who were not excited or happy for me. One didn't like the banana scent and moved further away from me while all the others closed in on me. (Outdoor event). Another was a lady who kept staring at me but didn't say anything. I was sick though, so I might have read her wrong. Maybe she knew me and hoped I'd recognize her or something.

If anybody waves the cough, it gives us the right to wave it right back.
Don't hide it, don't flaunt it, just be your sweet considerate self. You're not hurting anybody, except the almighty psychotic ANTZ when people see there is nothing but pleas tries associated with vaping.

 

[Uma]

I find this thread a little offensive but unlike others, I'm a big boy and I can handle to be offended. I don't expect you to stop on my account.

As smokers, we watched for years as our rights were eroded to zero. We watched as studies on the dangers of second hand smoke were manipulated and our right to smoke outside in public was eliminated. We watched as our right to smoke in our own home and car was eliminated. We figured if we just nodded our heads and went along with it, the ANTZ would eventually be satisfied and leave us alone. Well, we know how well that's worked out.

Now the same thing is happening to vapers. We are treated as smokers, even though we don't smoke. We are on the verge of our equipment being banned while the poison we switched from is still actively sold and taxed. We are told we should be concerned about second hand vape when studies show that there is no discernable health threat to second hand vape. We are told by supposedly educated health commissioners that if it looks like smoking it must be the same as smoking.

Of particular interest was the incredible scientific insight provided by a mouthpiece for Tobacco Free Kids, regarding the use of e-cig. "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck".

Yes. That is the deep scientific thesis that was brought forward as a reason to ban public vaping at a recent NYC council meeting discussing e-cigs. This is the thinking of our public health officials. We are told that if we want to stop smoking we must either purchase over-priced ineffective NRT treatments or extremely expensive and hazardous anti-depressants known to cause depression and suicidal thoughts.

And with all this garbage, we have our own people who would ask us all to hide in the shadows as if we are bad people and hope the nice folks "who know better" will allow us to vape as long as we don't bother anyone. I've been down that road before. I know where it leads. That is why I won't go down without a fight this time.

If you have a problem with vapor...deal with it. God knows I have to deal with the old bag who bathes in cheap purfume, the guy who bathes once a week whether he needs it or not. the guy with the annoying laugh, or the potbellied middle aged guy at the beach in the speedo. You moan and groan about a room full of vape and then go outside into the smog and pollution that is a normal part of your everyday existence. If you're that concerned, buy a surgical mask, I don't mind.

If you can construct a half way logical platform on how e-juice that starts out made with materials that are all on their own considered non hazardous suddenly becomes poison once it is vaporized and mixed with the CO2 in my lungs then I'll listen to you. If you simply are offended because you see some white clouds coming out of my mouth, then deal with it, and look the other way. I guarantee you that if you go to a restaurant with a case with the sniffles, you are MUCH more of a public health hazard than I will ever be with my e-cig....(unless I have a case of the sniffles too...)

+1 and bookmarking for inspiration. You are really something else you know that? Please post more!

 

[p.opus]

Where's the part about my right to keep my large-ish 75 pound dogs? I've had dogs all my life, I would give up vaping in a second, way before I'd give up my dogs, yet it appears that almost every privately owned, as well as publically owned condo / apartment complex does not allow large dogs.

I just made a choice early on in life to fit my lifestyle to having my dogs.

I would do the same thing if vaping were important to me.

As they say, it's a free country. I have stayed all over the nation, in hotels, with my dogs, as well as found plenty of places to live. You have to find them though.

Explain how this is different?

BTW, I bet there are plenty of landlords who vape but don't allow dogs. (yes, I asked a few too.) Everyone likes to pick and choose their freedoms I guess.

How is this different?

Let me count the ways....

1. Dogs and Cats cause damage to homes and apartments and hotels. Dogs shed, they poop and pee and cause additional wear and tear on their surroundings. Apartment owners have to spend extra money to clean apartments after pet owners leave.....Vaping does not cause damage to their surroundings.

2. Dogs defecate on the lawn and owners don't clean up after their mess. I've never inadvertently stepped into a pile of vape.

3. Large dogs, if they attack some one have a higher probability of causing bodily damage. Apartments have to carry extra liability insurance to allow large dogs. I have never been bitten or mauled by a cloud of vape.

You are comparing ownership of large dogs which have been shown to cause more property damage, leave behind unhealthy and unpleasant detritus, and have the ability to seriously maul or kill innocent children (I know...I know...My dog would NEVER do that...Famous last words) to vaping which does no property damage, leaves a vapor cloud that disippates and causes no harm to surrounding individuals.

 

[Uma]

Racehorse, I've yet to see a town banning dogs from condos, cars and sidewalks on a leash.

 

[Racehorse]

You are comparing ownership of large dogs which have been shown to cause more property damage, leave behind unhealthy and unpleasant detritus, and have the ability to seriously maul or kill innocent children (I know...I know...My dog would NEVER do that...Famous last words) to vaping which does no property damage, leaves a vapor cloud that disippates and causes no harm to surrounding individuals.

Gee, that's odd.

My house is immaculate, you can eat off the floors, and there are no signs of any of this dog damage you describe.


I've seen many rental units destroyed, like what you describe though .....smelly stench, holes in floors and carpets, film on walls, ceilings, and windows and furniture and stink in the air ducts......they were not dog owners, but they were smokers.

Smokers have given vapers a bad rap ......hope we can overcome that. Can't blame landlords for not realizing the difference though, since they have had massive damage to their property from smokers, and vaping is still new and unproven to them. it is really hard to rent out a unit that once housed smokers to new tenants who don't smoke. The damage is pretty severe. Maybe they don't want to take the chance.....

I'm sure many of these landlords were told by these smokers that their "rights" were being violated by not allowing them to smoke inside the units though.

I can see both sides, that's all. I think the only way to overcome the biases with landlords is to work on it in a polite way, after all, it IS their property

 

[EddardinWinter]

Gee, that's odd.

My house is immaculate, you can eat off the floors, and there are no signs of any of this dog damage you describe.


I've seen many rental units destroyed, like what you describe though .....smelly stench, holes in floors and carpets, film on walls, ceilings, and windows and furniture and stink in the air ducts......they were not dog owners, but they were smokers.

Smokers have given vapers a bad rap ......hope we can overcome that. Can't blame landlords for not realizing the difference though, since they have had massive damage to their property from smokers, and vaping is still new and unproven to them. it is really hard to rent out a unit that once housed smokers to new tenants who don't smoke. The damage is pretty severe. Maybe they don't want to take the chance.....

I'm sure many of these landlords were told by these smokers that their "rights" were being violated by not allowing them to smoke inside the units though.

I can see both sides, that's all. I think the only way to overcome the biases with landlords is to work on it in a polite way, after all, it IS their property

Who have you seen on this thread demanding landlords (or any property owner) permit smoking? I don't think I have.

The overwhelming majority of the posters here simply want these building owners to be able to make their own choices whether to permit or not permit vaping. All too often that choice is made for these owners by local or state ordinance which lumps vaping into anti-smoking laws. I am not aware of anyone here advocating vaping in a building over an owner's wishes because it is their right to do so.



Tapped out

 

[Racehorse]

During the last summer, my neighbor was using a smoker to smoke up some meat.
It was a hot day, and our windows were open.

The wind was blowing all of the smoke directly over the fence and into our yard.
And then it blew straight into our living room, and I mean damn near every single smoke particle.

What did I do about it?

I opened a beer and enjoyed the smell.

Sounds like you were able to do that because you "enjoyed" that particular smell?

Try doing that with a chicken house down the road from you and the wind is blowing in your direction.


Listen, i"m all for vaping. But when I read stuff that says stuff like: "If you have a problem with vapor...deal with it." I stop reading. Ultimatums tend to back people into a corner, and among good negotiators, are rarely used because we all know they don't work.

As for smoking bans in cars, I have very mixed feelings about people who roll up their windows and chain smoke with children in there. It is not rocket science to know this is not good for small developing lungs.

People leave their dogs inside hot cars in the summer too, and many dogs have died that way, and it is sad that we have to tell them that this is wrong, and I myself HAVE (and will continue) to call in dogs locked inside cars in shopping parking lots on hot summer days when the temps inside there are excessive in terms of life support.

 

[DC2]

Sounds like you were able to do that because you "enjoyed" that particular smell?

Try doing that with a chicken house down the road from you and the wind is blowing in your direction.


Listen, i"m all for vaping. But when I read stuff that says stuff like: "If you have a problem with vapor...deal with it." I stop reading. Ultimatums tend to back people into a corner, and among good negotiators, are rarely used because we all know they don't work.

As for smoking bans in cars, I have very mixed feelings about people who roll up their windows and chain smoke with children in there. It is not rocket science to know this is not good for small developing lungs.

People leave their dogs inside hot cars in the summer too, and many dogs have died that way, and it is sad that we have to tell them that this is wrong, and I myself HAVE (and will continue) to call in dogs locked inside cars in shopping parking lots on hot summer days when the temps inside there are excessive in terms of life support.

I don't disagree with any of this.

 

[Novasonic]

It's not about having rights, it's about having manners. If I do something others may object, I rather stop and do it in the privacy of my home. That goes for everything one may do in public and is not limited to vaping.

 

[wv2win]

It's not about having rights, it's about having manners. If I do something others may object, I rather stop and do it in the privacy of my home. That goes for everything one may do in public and is not limited to vaping.

And there is a difference between "having manners" and having a law that states that vaping and smoking are the same and must be restricted in the same way. We "tolerate" the mostly few in our society with bad manners, we don't legislate their poor behavior if it doesn't harm others.

We advocate vaping openly most places but respectfully and with common sense.

 

[ACQPL]

Well, that escalated quickly (I've been waiting to use that quote for years !)

Interesting discussion so far, I've yet to find many forums where people can actually disagree in a manner that doesn't resort to name calling, insults and slander !

Back on topic.. A few interesting points have been raised.. I fully understand some people would disagree with being in proximity to vapers in public. Now whether that be through sheer ignorance or genuine dislike is for another topic.

I appreciate that while I'm having a marvelous time making a bubble of blueberry aurora, which I personally enjoy the taste and smell of, in the same way if someone was standing next to me vaping... Butterscotch ? I'd want to go barf in a bin as the smell makes me feel sick

Should we be lumped in with tobacco users ? Of course not ! Its a completely different method of nicotine (or lack of) delivery, and I understand the anger and frustration this would cause to be stereotyped in this way, especially with the relatively new technology still being tested.

Should we be consider how our vaping may affect those around us ? I see no reason why not We're all considerate human beings !

At the same time however, as long as you don't exhale straight at someones face, the likelihood of them being even aware of it is very low.. Not that I've ever done that before

 

[p.opus]

Sounds like you were able to do that because you "enjoyed" that particular smell?

Try doing that with a chicken house down the road from you and the wind is blowing in your direction.


Listen, i"m all for vaping. But when I read stuff that says stuff like: "If you have a problem with vapor...deal with it." I stop reading. Ultimatums tend to back people into a corner, and among good negotiators, are rarely used because we all know they don't work.

As for smoking bans in cars, I have very mixed feelings about people who roll up their windows and chain smoke with children in there. It is not rocket science to know this is not good for small developing lungs.

People leave their dogs inside hot cars in the summer too, and many dogs have died that way, and it is sad that we have to tell them that this is wrong, and I myself HAVE (and will continue) to call in dogs locked inside cars in shopping parking lots on hot summer days when the temps inside there are excessive in terms of life support.

I think you misunderstood my intention. I would not EVER go up to someone and blow a big cloud of vape in their face and then tell someone to "deal with it".

I am completely for being courteous. What I am against is people who have nothing better to do than to try and regulate my behavior because they can't think of something better to do with their time.

Being courteous is fine. Respectful education is fine. However, when someone insists on being an irrational shill, then they need to be called out.

How many times must one say it. I don't smoke. Stop treating me as if I do.

 

[Novasonic]

Well, that escalated quickly (I've been waiting to use that quote for years !)

Interesting discussion so far, I've yet to find many forums where people can actually disagree in a manner that doesn't resort to name calling, insults and slander !

Back on topic.. A few interesting points have been raised.. I fully understand some people would disagree with being in proximity to vapers in public. Now whether that be through sheer ignorance or genuine dislike is for another topic.

I appreciate that while I'm having a marvelous time making a bubble of blueberry aurora, which I personally enjoy the taste and smell of, in the same way if someone was standing next to me vaping... Butterscotch ? I'd want to go barf in a bin as the smell makes me feel sick

Should we be lumped in with tobacco users ? Of course not ! Its a completely different method of nicotine (or lack of) delivery, and I understand the anger and frustration this would cause to be stereotyped in this way, especially with the relatively new technology still being tested.

Should we be consider how our vaping may affect those around us ? I see no reason why not We're all considerate human beings !

At the same time however, as long as you don't exhale straight at someones face, the likelihood of them being even aware of it is very low.. Not that I've ever done that before

Well said