I know a friend like that. He was peeved off when smoking in public places was banned, so now he's become like some sort of spiteful crusader who vapes in restaurants and clubs, just to "get one over the establishment". He just loves it when he's told to smoke outside so he can go on a rant about how it's an ecig and it's not smoke and there's no law about vaping in public and how his rights are being violated.
Vaping in a Retail Store (Plus, input from management!)
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I was talking to my brother the other week about this as he owns a group of companys with some retail and where he stood on vaping he was never a smoker or vaper and his answer was in the cafe\restaurant side they provided a separate area for vaping also separate from the smoking area but didn't allow it at the tables which I thought was good. In terms of retail stores very similar to the op no standing policy it was left to the individual manager to decide the threshold for tolerance though thanks to me educating him over the last couple of years (sometimes quite forcefully) all stores had the information to explain what vaping is and how it differs from smoking. I hadn't really talked with him about it in a business sense as I try to avoid getting into that side of his life given our vastly different circumstances but he just smiled at the start of the conversation and said "what took you so long" lol.
I think the op has a progressive and very customer orientated approach and should be congratulated as I think it's the best way to deal with it and applaud your perseverance and control as I struggle when I occasionally deal with the totally obnoxious and it's my hand I'm more likely to respond with then my brain or mouth lol.
I think the op has a progressive and very customer orientated approach and should be congratulated as I think it's the best way to deal with it and applaud your perseverance and control as I struggle when I occasionally deal with the totally obnoxious and it's my hand I'm more likely to respond with then my brain or mouth lol.
I am not picking on your post or your preference, but it is the perfect lead in to my points:
It is not so much the "need" to vape as it is the "desire" to vape. Without the negative connotation assigned to vaping, there would be no need nor desire to "stealth vape".
Putting that in context with the subject of this thread, The op has determined how he/his store chooses to deal with the situation without intervention by big brother, which I both applaud and find refreshing. Your not comfortable vaping there? You get to make a choice not to. Somebody else "desires" a vape while making an important purchasing decision (to them)? Why not let them make their choice? Those feeling they have the power and right to make those "choices" for all others? They are the ones who should be banned from public places.
here in Liberal Lakes where they have never seen a tax they didn't like
or a ban they can gleefully cheer for they haven't shut the door here
in Saint Paul.
no complaints as of yet. if we can all get along why does every where
else seem to have a problem?
we are feeling left out here.
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mike
or a ban they can gleefully cheer for they haven't shut the door here
in Saint Paul.
no complaints as of yet. if we can all get along why does every where
else seem to have a problem?
we are feeling left out here.
regards
mike
The only times I'm really tempted to vape in a store are times when it would probably go over LEAST well -- standing in line to check out. Or, if the thing you want to buy is missing from the shelf, and you send someone (if you can FIND someone) to go see if there's any in the back -- I *have* stealth vaped then, because there was no one around to see a cloud, even if there WAS a cloud, which there isn't, if you're really stealth vaping. But standing in line to checkout... any type of *waiting* is always a huge trigger for me. I wish stores would have an equivalent of an HOV lane -- you can check out faster there, but it will cost you something -- there are many times I'd pay a little, to keep from having to stand in line.
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Andria
It just seems like there are lots of vapers who seem to feel that they have to be the 'Rosa Parks' of vaping.
If I could be the 'Rosa Parks' of ANYTHING, I'd be thrilled and honored. Her action was so small, in the whole scheme of things... yet she will be remembered forever, as someone who had Finally Had Enough. If one small action of mine could be construed as something that caused an entire generation to rethink their hatred and discrimination, I would feel like a hero -- as Rosa Parks was and is a hero.
Andria
Andria
Scenario A. The store has a No Vaping policy that the OP is breaking himself, and is selectively enforcing it on some customers at his discretion.
Scenario B. The store has a Vaping allowed policy and the OP, annoyed by a customer, falsely accused him of "smoking" in order to make his case in calling security/police.
Neither looks very good to me.
Scenario B. The store has a Vaping allowed policy and the OP, annoyed by a customer, falsely accused him of "smoking" in order to make his case in calling security/police.
Neither looks very good to me.
No (policy is up to management)
And no (complaints were made about jerk behavior, guy was asked to be more descrete and became even more obnoxious, was asked to leave, refused and left management no choice but to get help from authorities)
Policy has to be clear and properly communicated to customers. And once established, it has to be observed by management too.
What that customer really did is assault/battery. The accusation of "smoking" is false.
Am I being trolled?
1. I'm getting the vibe you don't understand management policies from retail companies. Every company I've ever worked for has the two. One is up to manager discretion (store policy) . The other is up to the higher ups at the company(company policy). If you read my earlier post, you would see that most of the upper management has left it at our discretion to talk to vapers in store if they are causing attention. I do it just to get to know them and warn them about any potential complaints that may never happen. But it's good to let them know.
2. Did you not ready the story correctly? Or are you the guy in it? Because I'm getting the vibes when someone loudly curses you out in a store in front of other customers I have all the right to warn you off the property. Or warn you that I will do so if you don't stop. When you act immature and flip me off, of course I'm gonna take action.
See, I'm thinking you didn't read it properly. Because I never accused anyone of smoking. Accusing would imply I didn't have evidence, when me and everyone in the store could see him doing it. When I went to talk to him giving the usual *nice* conversation (that you can see in my first post) he rejected it, and decided to get an attitude.
Also did you know that as management, I reserve the right to refuse service? I'm beginning to think there's a lot of stuff you aren't aware of before you posted that.
I say kudos to the OP for how the situation was handled. Unfortunately, I am seeing more and more cloud chasing vapers in stores and honestly feel it's the reason why soo many states are pushing for indoor vaping bans. Sometimes it's hard to be upset with the law when you see this kind of stuff being done by disrespectful vapers.
We had so many "cloudz in Walmart" threads, none with pics, wouldn't it be time by now to see some (especially since these days everyone carries a phone with a camera)?
As an ECF regular, I would surely have the idea to take some pics if I were to see something unusual about vaping.
As an ECF regular, I would surely have the idea to take some pics if I were to see something unusual about vaping.
I think the real problem isn't vaping, though some obnoxious Mrs. Kravitz types think it is; it's really about jerks vs. regular folks, and that situation can occur anywhere at any time over any matter -- some people are just jerks in everything they do, they can't help themselves, and it really gripes them for others to call them on it -- or call the cops about it! Sometimes the Mrs. Kravitz types ARE the jerks... they just can't 'live and let live,' but have to go sticking their eyeballs and noses into things that don't concern them in the slightest.
Andria
Are you Implying that what the OP has Posted Didn't Happen?
Or that Without Pictures, that a Post about Vaping in Public is Not Credible?
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