vaping is NOT smoking!!

[USMCotaku]

Last note....it is in this very context that we NEED to be more clear, and say what something is, not what it looks like, in an effort to distance ourselves from the negative stigma of actually smoking
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[mattiem]

In a fair world all things would be judged by what they are...not what they LOOK like.

In the world we live in if it LOOKS like smoke.....let's call it smoke and give the ANTZ ammunition to ban it.

This thread has shown me that some of us as non-smokers have a LONG way to go when even those that have become non-smokers will still argue that if it LOOKS like smoke.....it's smoke

 

[bluecat]

In a fair world all things would be judged by what they are...not what they LOOK like.

In the world we live in if it LOOKS like smoke.....let's call it smoke and give the ANTZ ammunition to ban it.

This thread has shown me that some of us as non-smokers have a LONG way to go when even those that have become non-smokers will still argue that if it LOOKS like smoke.....it's smoke

Some of us weren't arguing what it looked like. We were discussing true definitions.

Besides, if I want to call it vapor, smoke, ecig or vaporizer. I should be free to do so. If you want to really do something, stop the government from demonizing smoking. People have been smoking for 1,000s of years. (that is just tobacco) now when did they truly start? It is this silly PC government.

 

[carrdoc]

Well, you said you haven't seen her in awhile,so you won't mind another long period without her.closed minded people try to make everyone around them miserable so they feel better.keep on vaping,you are awesome and an example of what people should aspire to be.

 

[Ed_C]

I think this boils down to the fact that there's more than one definition of smoke. The more restrictive and in my mind more accurate definition, deals with the particles and gases associated with combustion. The more broad definition includes other smoke-like substances such as vapor. If we, as a community, wish to distance ourselves from smokers, it might be in our best interests to utilize the former, more restrictive, definition.

 

[turbocad6]

in a fair world many things would be very different than they are now, but in the real world perception is reality, and the sad truth of the matter is, vaping is perceived as smoking, in the real world anyone blowing a cloud of smoke is smoking to anyone who isn't trying to prove a point on a technicality. not my rules, not my perception, but just about everyone will see smoke being exhaled and say that person is smoking.

I'm not stupid. I do know the difference between smoke and vapor and I do know that smoking and vaping are not the same thing, but I also do know that anyone that see's me exhale a puff of * will see what they perceive as a puff of smoke and anyone would say that I was "smoking" just as they would say there is smoke coming from under the hood when there car is overheating... I don't make the rules nor do I influence public perception.

 

[mattiem]

Some of us weren't arguing what it looked like. We were discussing true definitions.

Besides, if I want to call it vapor, smoke, ecig or vaporizer. I should be free to do so. If you want to really do something, stop the government from demonizing smoking. People have been smoking for 1,000s of years. (that is just tobacco) now when did they truly start? It is this silly PC government.

I smoked for 45 years. I was quiet while our rights to smoke were gradually taken away from us. (I know that there are those that will argue that it wasn't/isn't a right but this isn't the place for that argument)

I am fighting as much as I can to keep our right to vape. I answer all the calls to action. Make no mistake about it. We are in a fight for our very life and the life for all the smokers out there that have not yet discovered this wonderful smoke free life. We just all need to be on the same page.

We are all free to call it what we choose to call it. For myself, I am no longer a smoker and I am very proud of that accomplishment. All who have chosen this healthier path should be too.

To the OP.....Good for you. Be proud of your 100+ days of being smoke free. I am proud of you.......

 

[bluecat]

I think this boils down to the fact that there's more than one definition of smoke. The more restrictive and in my mind more accurate definition, deals with the particles and gases associated with combustion. The more broad definition includes other smoke-like substances such as vapor. If we, as a community, wish to distance ourselves from smokers, it might be in our best interests to utilize the former, more restrictive, definition.

This I like. There is only one issue with that. I believe if we distance ourselves from smokers (personally smoking cigarettes vs vaping - is how I like to term it) great, we have distanced ourselves from traditional tobacco cigarette smoking. 6 months they are back after us. It is about control. I seriously doubt they give up after are we distance from smoking. Unless, some scientific.medical report comes out that states using 12 mg nicotine from a electronic device that is rate at 3.7 volts regulated has no detrimental effects to the body or second hand. Just look at insurance companies. They have changed to nicotine use unless prescribed as a cessation. There goes me and my grilled eggplant dinners.

That is really sad for us as a populous.

 

[turbocad6]

I think this boils down to the fact that there's more than one definition of smoke. The more restrictive and in my mind more accurate definition, deals with the particles and gases associated with combustion. The more broad definition includes other smoke-like substances such as vapor. If we, as a community, wish to distance ourselves from smokers, it might be in our best interests to utilize the former, more restrictive, definition.

how can that be done when even us vapors can't distinguish the difference visually? no one can say who is and isn't smoking in the pics I put of people smoking because for all intents and purposes they are all smoking... yes one may be vaping, but which one? the general public will never make that distinction

now if we could make the vapor pink, or make the vapor invisible, then maybe we have a chance of really differentiating one from the other, but in reality if you are blowing clouds of what is generally perceived as smoke you don't have a great chance of changing everyone's mind as to what smoking is. ecigs started out wanting to be as close to smoking as possible, and they have achieved that, but now want to be as different as possible. don't get me wrong, I wish I could actually convince everyone that it is not smoke but I don't see that as being possible because what you are emitting is perceived as smoke, so to anyone observing it IS smoke, you are blowing smoke, you are smoking... that will be what anyone would think. arguing against that is futile

I vape, I do not smoke, but I also am not surprised when anyone perceives what I am doing as smoking because as an action I am blowing smoke therefor I am smoking, I can't argue with that logic, yes I can point out the technicalities but in the end anyone who see's my emissions see's smoke. I still say I don't care, call it whatever you want. I can't understand being shocked or disappointed because people see "smoke" and say I'm smoking whether it's technically correct or not. I can't expect people to use a spectrum analysis device to determine what the smoke they see actually is...

 

[DC2]

I would question that comment.
nicotine addiction - Google Scholar

You'd certainly be right to question that comment, since it is most likely wrong...
Some research on the seemingly minimal addictive potential of nicotine when divorced from tobacco...

 

[Ed_C]

We talk to people when they ask us about what we are doing. I talk to friends, family members and people I run into, all the time. It might not happen overnight, but there's more of us everyday and more and more people see vaping as a healthier alternative to smoking. Once people get that idea, it really won't matter what you call it, vapor, pseudo-smoke, magic mist.

 

[patkin]

I think the whole controversy on what "smoke" is is (LOL) totally missing the point. Yes.. to stigmatize vaping by using the word smoke is the goal. To describe an ACTION (verb)... not the SUBSTANCE (noun)... is the method being used to accomplish that. The by-product in the air may appear the same but it isn't the same because the substance being used isn't and if you're going to argue with someone too thick-headed or malicious... whatever.... to deal with that fact you should keep bringing them back to that fact. The appearance is a red herring. Blowing each by-product into a clear glass or bottle or onto a white kleenex should be enough to eliminate it. In this case, where there's smoke there isn't always fire. What I do is vape and that action may produce something that shares the appearance of burning some substance but its still the substance that matters. No one, but no one, is going to eliminate the word "VAPE" from my vocabulary and replace it with the word "SMOKE" for any reason... period. The ANTZ can work their little heads off trying to redefine but they will not succeed in eliminating vape or vaping from my life... verb or noun.

 

[DC2]

I haven't read this whole thread, because it's making me a bit sick to my stomach.
It's as if so many of us are afraid to take on the challenge of education.

I have such a different approach from so many of the responders to this thread.

If someone tries to ASSERT their opinion that vaping is dangerous...
And won't listen to reason...

I do not walk away, or turn the other cheek, or give them up as a lost cause.
I call them stupid idiots who are unable to grasp scientific fact.

I berate them until THEY walk away, or turn the other cheek.
That's just how I'm built I guess.

I don't suffer fools, I don't take any crap, and I make sure people that want to step up to me are prepared for what they are getting into.

I doubt I'll get any likes for this post.
But I know I'm right.

 

[Tangaroav]

If the many millions vapers would replace the words smoking with vaping, smoke with vape and e-cigarette with vaporizer ...etc ( starting with our own ''smoking'' sub forum), the world would be a better place... for us.

I am doing it since a while.....

But it looks like that will only happend once gov. regulations are enforced. Probably too late for most of us.

 

[Anjaffm]

I think the whole controversy on what "smoke" is is (LOL) totally missing the point. Yes.. to stigmatize vaping by using the word smoke is the goal. To describe an ACTION (verb)... not the SUBSTANCE (noun)... is the method being used to accomplish that. The by-product in the air may appear the same but it isn't the same because the substance being used isn't and if you're going to argue with someone too thick-headed or malicious... whatever.... to deal with that fact you should keep bringing them back to that fact. The appearance is a red herring. Blowing each by-product into a clear glass or bottle or onto a white kleenex should be enough to eliminate it. In this case, where there's smoke there isn't always fire. What I do is vape and that action may produce something that shares the appearance of burning some substance but its still the substance that matters. No one, but no one, is going to eliminate the word "VAPE" from my vocabulary and replace it with the word "SMOKE" for any reason... period. The ANTZ can work their little heads off trying to redefine but they will not succeed in eliminating vape or vaping from my life... verb or noun.

Absolutely!

I haven't read this whole thread, because it's making me a bit sick to my stomach.
It's as if so many of us are afraid to take on the challenge of education.

I have such a different approach from so many of the responders to this thread.

If someone tries to ASSERT their opinion that vaping is dangerous...
And won't listen to reason...

I do not walk away, or turn the other cheek, or give them up as a lost cause.
I call them stupid idiots who are unable to grasp scientific fact.

I berate them until THEY walk away, or turn the other cheek.
That's just how I'm built I guess.

I don't suffer fools, I don't take any crap, and I make sure people that want to step up to me are prepared for what they are getting into.

I doubt I'll get any likes for this post.
But I know I'm right.

Precisely!
(and you are getting likes for this post - you have spoken very true words indeed )

And now, instead of writing posting after posting attempting to convince people who - to my mind - are only trying to be contrary and to get responses to their obstinate insisting on being right when they are absolutely wrong , I will go to the tap in the kitchen and pour myself a nice big glass of Vodka

Cheers! Na sdorowje! Pod stolom uvidiemca!

 

[Ed_C]

You'd certainly be right to question that comment, since it is most likely wrong...
Some research on the seemingly minimal addictive potential of nicotine when divorced from tobacco...

Interesting, but hardly conclusive. It does sound like MAOIs exacerbate the affects of nicotine (something that I was aware of), but nicotine still affects the release of dopamine.

"ASU Director of Campus Health Services Allan Markus said it would take a thorough clinical trial to further prove Killeen’s hypothesis."
Do you know if these trials were ever done?

 

[AndriaD]

I haven't read this whole thread, because it's making me a bit sick to my stomach.
It's as if so many of us are afraid to take on the challenge of education.

I have such a different approach from so many of the responders to this thread.

If someone tries to ASSERT their opinion that vaping is dangerous...
And won't listen to reason...

I do not walk away, or turn the other cheek, or give them up as a lost cause.
I call them stupid idiots who are unable to grasp scientific fact.

I berate them until THEY walk away, or turn the other cheek.
That's just how I'm built I guess.

I don't suffer fools, I don't take any crap, and I make sure people that want to step up to me are prepared for what they are getting into.

I doubt I'll get any likes for this post.
But I know I'm right.

I do exactly the same. With my family, close friends, I do it kindly and patiently. But if a stranger wants to come up to me, get in my face, with something completely wrong and idiotic (and rude!), well they opened that can of worms, not me, but I'll be glad to correct their ignorance as forcefully as their particular brand of ignorance seems to require. And yeah, they'll probably be the one to walk away, because I won't, until I see that their ignorance is corrected, or they give up.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Interesting, but hardly conclusive. It does sound like MAOIs exacerbate the affects of nicotine (something that I was aware of), but nicotine still affects the release of dopamine.

Conclusive will take years of study on the effects of nicotine absent smoking.
I don't know if anyone cares enough to do that research for the most part, as no one who can afford to do so wants to pay for it.

Nobody wants to pay for studies that will prove them and their years of propaganda to be completely false.

"ASU Director of Campus Health Services Allan Markus said it would take a thorough clinical trial to further prove Killeen’s hypothesis."
Do you know if these trials were ever done?

Unfortunately I do not know, but I imagine they would take a long time so it may be awhile if anyone even decides to bother with it.

 

[Ed_C]

Well, in truth, nothing is really completely conclusive. I'd settle for very well supported.

 

[bluecat]

"ASU Director of Campus Health Services Allan Markus said it would take a thorough clinical trial to further prove Killeen’s hypothesis."
Do you know if these trials were ever done?

My favorite part of Killeen said was People can go to drugstore and buy nicorette gum, but they don't. Now if nicotine is so addictive why are people buying is truckloads. Heck I tried nicotine gum. It didn't do squat.