vaping is NOT smoking!!

[DaveP]

The definition of "smoke" is just what it is. You can try to change it. The government changes definitions daily to suit their needs.

smoke: definition of smoke in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)

Smoke - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Full Definition of SMOKE
1
a : the gaseous products of burning materials especially of organic origin made visible by the presence of small particles of carbon
b : a suspension of particles in a gas
2
a : a mass or column of smoke
b : smudge
3
: fume or vapor often resulting from the action of heat on moisture
4
: something of little substance, permanence, or value
5
: something that obscures


Anwyay our vapor is smoke by definition. Now whether you are smoking a cigarette, cigar, vapor or even toilet tissue. It is still smoke.

BTW if you want to smoke cigs, cigars, or food flavoring in glycerol, that is each individuals choice.

I agreed with most of Merriam Webster's other than the part about heat on moisture.

The Oxford Dictionary defines it more simply.

Definition of smoke in English:
smoke
Syllabification: smoke
Pronunciation: /smok

/
noun
1A visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance: bonfire smoke

Then, they hit the nail on the head for what electronic cigarette critics say about ecigs.

Origin

Old English smoca (noun), smocian (verb), from the Germanic base of smēocan 'emit smoke'; related to Dutch smook and German Schmauch.

Phrases

blow smoke
Try to mislead or threaten someone by giving false or exaggerated information: the coach has been blowing smoke for the past three years about our program

The latter bolded phrase is exactly what the uninformed public spouts about ecigs.

 

[Ed_C]

SEMANTICS A game that's fun for all ages.

 

[Ed_C]

You can believe whatever you like, which is fine. The generally accepted definition is what it is. Arguing that is not what the definition clearly is... is well...

That was my point, the definition that includes vapor is way down the list, and not the generally accepted definition.

 

[choochoogranny]

Bluecat, did you skip over my capitalized "less properly" in the smoke definition? Or, did not consider the "fog" definition to be appropriate?

Way, way back in my school days, I was taught that the first mentioned definition of a word was the most used and most correct. Is that not taught anymore?

 

[USMCotaku]

Also, it is also false to say someone hasn't quit because they have substituted their addiction. All addicts when quitting find some sort of substitution. It is rare for the substitute to so closely resemble the addiction as ours does. We as smokers weren't just addicted to nicotine. We were addicted to cigarettes (which have added chemicals to promote and strengthen the addiction). If one becomes addicted to vaping, they still ended their addiction to cigarettes. An addiction doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it's only bad when it negatively affects your life. I am addicted to reading....and yes, there was a time when it caused harm, as I became a shut in and preferred books to human interaction, but when I recognized that and altered my habits, it became a positive, since it expands my mind and teaches me new things.
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[patkin]

I'm a pack rat. One of my Webster's is so old the pages are yellow and its missing the front cover so I can't say exactly how old it is but, no doubt, at least 50 years. It says, in part as its a long one: Smoke = The gaseous products of burning organic materials rendered visible by the presence of small particles of carbon which finally settle as soot. OR Fume, vapor, dust, etc. resembling smoke. OR To inhale and exhale the fumes of tobacco or the like. IE: If the definition of 50+ years ago when smoking tobacco was actually part of the definition of "smoke" has changed to lasso vapor from vaping, then its due to a political agenda.... period. Is anyone here old enough to remember what school history books USED to say?

I enjoy vaping and am not addicted to nic. Does vaping make me a smoker or addict? Nothing goes better with pizza or mexican food than beer to my taste. I don't drink alcohol and, thus, enjoy my NA beer with it. Does drinking it signal that I'm a "drinker" or an alcoholic in recovery or not? Same thing pertains to red wine with spaghetti... I love the taste of every NA wine I've had and drink it occasionally. I also drink decaf coffee and pop. Does that mean I'm addicted to caffeine and my motivation is to avoid it for that reason?

In essence, some just always have to have someone/something they deem "beneath" them. Anj got it right... they're addicted to it. Pity the poor souls. Their lives must be truly miserable. I would venture to say they can't go 24 hours without looking down on someone. Personally, I wouldn't argue with such a person. They're prisoners of their own minds. I don't want to join them there.

 

[AndriaD]

While you can find a definition of smoke that includes vapor, I don't believe it's accurate. I would go more with something like:

Definition: Smoke is a colloid comprised of solid particles and gases associated with the products of incomplete combustion and air.

I don't pretend to know much if anything about science (well except for maybe nutrition); but I would tend to go with a firefighter's definition of "smoke" over someone's google search. Your example seems to be pretty close to the firefighter's.

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between vapor and smoke should probably not be handling such potentially dangerous tools as these PVs; they could easily hurt themselves, and the ANTZ would blame it on the PV, not the fool handling it.

Andria

 

[USMCotaku]

This whole discussion just goes to show how degraded our language has become. Instead of correcting a common misuse of a word, hey lets add it to the definition, we wouldn't want people to know how poorly educated our populace has become. What's the first thing you think of when you hear gay? Bet it's not a state of being happy or elated. Or how about ......? Did you think: a bundle of sticks or kindling used for lighting a fire?
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[bluecat]

Bluecat, did you skip over my capitalized "less properly" in the smoke definition? Or, did not consider the "fog" definition to be appropriate?

Way, way back in my school days, I was taught that the first mentioned definition of a word was the most used and most correct. Is that not taught anymore?

Most used? aye.. Most correct? sorry either it is correct or it is not. There is no most correct.

[h=2]¹wa·ter[/h] noun, often attributive \ˈwȯ-tər, ˈwä-\ : the clear liquid that has no color, taste, or smell, that falls from clouds as rain, that forms streams, lakes, and seas, and that is used for drinking, washing, etc.
: an area of water (such as a lake, river, or ocean)
waters : a specific area of water; especially : an area of seawater





[h=2]Full Definition of WATER[/h]1
a : the liquid that descends from the clouds as rain, forms streams, lakes, and seas, and is a major constituent of all living matter and that when pure is an odorless, tasteless, very slightly compressible liquid oxide of hydrogen H₂O which appears bluish in thick layers, freezes at 0° C and boils at 100° C, has a maximum density at 4° C and a high specific heat, is feebly ionized to hydrogen and hydroxyl ions, and is a poor conductor of electricity and a good solvent
b : a natural mineral water —usually used in plural

2
: a particular quantity or body of water: as
a (1) plural : the water occupying or flowing in a particular bed (2) chiefly British : lake, pond
b : a quantity or depth of water adequate for some purpose (as navigation)
c plural (1) : a band of seawater abutting on the land of a particular sovereignty and under the control of that sovereignty (2) : the sea of a particular part of the earth
d : water supply <threatened to turn off the water>

3
: travel or transportation on water <we went by water>

4
: the level of water at a particular state of the tide : tide

5
: liquid containing or resembling water: as
a (1) : a pharmaceutical or cosmetic preparation made with water (2) : a watery solution of a gaseous or readily volatile substance — compare ammonia water
b archaic : a distilled fluid (as an essence); especially : a distilled alcoholic liquor
c : a watery fluid (as tears, urine, or sap) formed or circulating in a living body
d : amniotic fluid; also : bag of waters

6
a : the degree of clarity and luster of a precious stone
b : degree of excellence <a scholar of the first water>

I guess only the first clause in the definition of water is correct? The rest are irrelevant?

Way back in my school days I was taught they were all correct in the definition.

 

[Ed_C]

This whole discussion just goes to show how degraded our language has become. Instead of correcting a common misuse of a word, hey lets add it to the definition, we wouldn't want people to know how poorly educated our populace has become. What's the first thing you think of when you hear gay? Bet it's not a state of being happy or elated. Or how about ......? Did you think: a bundle of sticks or kindling used for lighting a fire?
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While I understand what you are saying, I can't completely agree. Language has always been fluid and the meanings of words have changed over time. This is nothing new and it's not always simply a function of education.

 

[bluecat]

do the exhale through a paper towel test, any particulates will be trapped for you to see.

Can particulates be translucent?

 

[AndriaD]

Also, it is also false to say someone hasn't quit because they have substituted their addiction. All addicts when quitting find some sort of substitution. It is rare for the substitute to so closely resemble the addiction as ours does. We as smokers weren't just addicted to nicotine. We were addicted to cigarettes (which have added chemicals to promote and strengthen the addiction). If one becomes addicted to vaping, they still ended their addiction to cigarettes. An addiction doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it's only bad when it negatively affects your life. I am addicted to reading....and yes, there was a time when it caused harm, as I became a shut in and preferred books to human interaction, but when I recognized that and altered my habits, it became a positive, since it expands my mind and teaches me new things.
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True! When I first quit drinking, I substituted ice cold V8 juice for beer, because V8 isn't sweet -- then I began substituting hot tea, drank it all day long. I guess I was a V8-aholic, who became a tea-aholic. Of course I'm still an alcoholic, that will never ever change, but my "compulsive drinking" is now with beverages which won't destroy my liver, cardiovascular system, and sanity. That's substituting less-harm for extreme-harm! It's "less" harm instead of "zero" harm because I recently found out that as a vaper, my hydration depends on not consuming so much diuretic -- beverages containing caffeine. I still drink tea, just not a half-gallon or more a day.

I'm still addicted to reading, and that will never change. To me, "too much reading" is an oxymoron.

Andria

 

[bluecat]

Does vaping make me a smoker or addict? Nothing goes better with pizza or mexican food than beer to my taste. I don't drink alcohol and, thus, enjoy my NA beer with it.

Personally? It makes you whatever you want to be. I really do not care if someone calls me a smoker or not. The one thing I can see... our vapor being termed smoke. It doesn't bother me. I guess I am still of the mind that I don;t give a crap if someone wants to still smoke cigarettes. If a person wants to.. go for it.

 

[choochoogranny]

Okay, so now I'm really confused....which ain't hard to do. If, as Bluecat opines, the vapor is smoke and has particulates in it, does the vapor leave residue like smokes do such as tar, ash, etc. If vapor does leave residue, what is it?

 

[Jman8]

To me, the primary issue here is the stigmatization associated with smoking. That's what OP was up against, and wasn't really up against, the geeky, technical, semantical argument, which is fascinating, but not what laypeople, namely non-smokers even care about. We care about that, because some of us are anti-smoking zealots.

Some of us get pretty emotional or bent out of shape to be still considered a "smoker" when we are now vapers and have quit using combustible cigarettes. Yet, the stigma of anti-smoking permeates the culture (pretty sure it is worldwide). Many of us have pride and feelings of liberation that come from no longer being associated with that stigma, plus the health benefits that can be described, but are around 50 times better when experienced.

I am a dual user currently, but I've gone cold turkey before, and understand that liberation. Yet, during my time of cold turkey, I recall numerous times seeing the stigmatizing at work. I often thought it stank (stinks even more than stinkies), and at times would counter it, as a non-smoker. I think calling out that stigmatizing is a good thing, and you'll see me doing it here on vaping forum.

I think it might take a long while to change the cultural stigmatization, but also think planting seeds helps, and thus I don't see me ever being completely quieted on this matter. Yet, I do think at times, it is best to just let an anti-smoking zealot vent their rhetoric, not allow it to stick to you as a person, and move on.

IOW, don't get so bent out of shape with the fact that we live in an anti-smoking world and with people who may wish to ascribe that sort of judgment to you. Often, they know not of what they speak. If it is family or friend, thank them for their (apparent) concern, and move on. Enjoy life.

Vape 'em if you got 'em.

 

[USMCotaku]

Any particulates in our vapor should be liquid state....we aren't dry herb vaping, which is a different beast. So it would be more correct to call it aerosol....

aero·sol

Pronunciation: \er--säl, -sol\

Function: noun

Etymology: aer- + 4sol

Date: 1923

1 : a suspension of fine solid or liquid particles in gas <smoke, fog, and mist are aerosols>

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[USMCotaku]

That in itself should show that though its comparable, it isn't the same as, smoke.
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[patkin]

Just passing on something I do with some people. I know from years of living that everyone... even those appearing to be the most "saintly".... have something within them they don't like about themselves or something they're not proud of in their personality or history. In fact, often those who are the most judgmental have the most. So, when I have fallen under their microscope, I just look them dead in the eye and use the old saying: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." I've yet to see that fail at shutting them up.

 

[choochoogranny]

Would fog be an aerosol? How about smog? Two things that look the same, but are quite different. Could I use this to help explain?

 

[USMCotaku]

While I understand what you are saying, I can't completely agree. Language has always been fluid and the meanings of words have changed over time. This is nothing new and it's not always simply a function of education.

what upsets me about change in language isn't its fluidity and change to meet new world applications (just like the word vape). What bothers me is when incorrect usage of a word becomes accepted and then makes its way into our dictionaries as truth, like the word smoke....we've already seen what an older dictionary had to say on the matter......exactly what I was taught about what smoke is. But that horse is pretty thoroughly beaten by now. If someone wants to call steam smoke, so be it. Why not further FDA misinformation tactics