Vaping...More harm then good? For me yes...Im done!!!!!!
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Maybe so, maybe not. There are just SO many flamers here! Sadly, now I've become one
Make no mistake, you (and I) maybe have severed our addiction to analogs but at least for me I more or less transferred that addiction to to e-cigs. The 6 year old thing was definitely way out of line lol... I got a admin repramand for it. For the record, I don't know if it means anything but whenever I get flamed by somone, they always seem to have a cute cat avatar lol. Is it possible my frog offends elderly women? Maybe I'm just being insensative
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LMAO. Please tell me you don't think im serious with that second paragraph... DO SMILIES MEAN NOTHING!!! AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
Maybe so, maybe not. There are just SO many flamers here! Sadly, now I've become one
For the record, I don't know if it means anything but whenever I get flamed by somone, they always seem to have a cute cat avatar lol. Is it possible my frog offends elderly women? Maybe I'm just being insensative
I don't happen to think 63 is so elderly, otherwise I'd be offended with that statement too. You have to find someone older and ask them, but just FYI ~ Carefully.
Flaming is not my thing, verbosity is. It may help you when you're flaming, please don't include "LMAO" along with it, it adds a little to the heat, and looks like you enjoy it a little too much. Smilies not withstanding.
I'm with rayneinspain , the OP has some issues to work out, and do wish him well.
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LMAO. Please tell me you don't think im serious with that second paragraph... DO SMILIES MEAN NOTHING!!! AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
Dude, no worries lol. I thought of my avatar and went "oh heck NO".
To the OP, I hope that you have overcome your physical problems. If not, please seek medical attention. Since you've tried just PG and VG juices, do you think it could be the flavoring that has made you sick? In all fairness, I'm glad that you posted your story. We all need to know and that vaping isn't for everyone. As long as you can stay away from cigs and vaping, that's what matters the most. Thank you for sharing your story and I wish you luck in staying nic free.
NEWFLASH: If perkins gives you an elderly persons discount, your probably elderly...
Getting offended is a great way to let someone else rent free space in your head...It's also a great way to justify a "holier than thou" attitude. Thanks for giving me responsibility for your feelings... but no thanks, feel free to take the responsibility back at any time...
The LOLs and LMAOs are because I think it's funny how ridiculous you are. When you get on the soapbox and write a verbose reply defending yourself when no one said a word about you in particular, it does nothing but shine the burning spotlight of exposure to you as being one of the people that embraces "the fairy fantasy land of blissful ignorance."
If your going to single me out and attack me because of an admittedly tasteless and faithless comment, than don't be surprised when I reply. I never claimed to be classy...
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I refuse to take advantage of my age and maturity to exploit guitardedmark's youth and inexperience. Flame on, Sunshine.
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I can't simply wish the OP luck and health. I would however insist they seek some medical attention, at the very least. I'd hope they have, at this point.
My doctor isn't an ear specialist, but I'm pretty sure he could figure something out in regards to this lump in my earlobe. Or refer me to someone who would know something. (I really should get this seen, but I'm actively being dumb about it...) It seems to make sense that if you have concerns about the relations of vaping to your health, you would seek out a medical profession who knew something about your concerns. Not EVERYTHING, note. Obviously the research hasn't been completed to satisfaction.
The internet is NOT your doctor, by the way... (sorry, kind of unrelated, but it bugs me, haha)
Like some repliers here, I too felt a bit offput by the OP's extremely insistent claim that vaping DEFINITIVELY caused his symptoms. A claim unfounded by any professional diagnoses.
Let me share my little story about self-diagnosis. I've been hospitalized a few times since I started smoking. Asthma related complications. Once I was diagnosed with bronchitis, given medication and sent on my way. The next time, experiencing the exact same symptoms, I hobbled into the after-hours ER, claimed I had bronchitis and just needed the meds, please. Turned out there was no infections, and I'd actually been seriously overtaxing my lungs with smoke and overusing my prescription inhaler to the point that my body no longer reacted to it. Spent 4 hours breathing in cocktails of stuff just to get my lungs in a reasonably functioning situation again.
I may have thought I knew what was going on with MY OWN BODY, according to MY OWN EXPERIENCES, but I was still dead wrong. Doctor looked at me and told me I'd be killing myself pretty soon if I kept this up.
As far as OTC inhaler, and Primatine Mist... You want to know about some nasty stuff to be inhaling? Well this is it. I'm unfortunately stuck on the PM since my shady insurance dropped my coverage, and I can't afford a full price prescription. I've been on it so long that it doesn't seem like a big deal anymore, but I've also been lucky in that I haven't had any episodes where I really feel the need to overdo its use.
I do remember how it was when I first started using it, though. PM is strong, doesn't need as much to be effective, and lasts longer than a 'scrip inhaler, as a result. But it's incredibly harsh, too. It was burning my throat, as a smoker, even though I kept myself to the 4 hour dosing schedule. It has pretty severe warnings against using it too often, too many times in a day, and for too long of an extended period. In fact, following dosage directions, you wouldn't even finish the inhaler within the recommended directions. It's bad stuff, and though my body is now accustomed to it (a scary thought, I know), I'd be more likely to assume the OP's symptoms are related to the inhalers than the vaping. Assume, because I'm no doctor, by any means.
And 4 inhalers a year? Sounds like a big deal to someone who's not currently relying on them. Seems like nothing to me, who's been living on them for the last 10 years. If I were able to afford all my meds, even with insurance, I'd have a "rescue" inhaler (the standard puffer types), and a 2x daily inhaled med to keep me off the inhaler. I'd consider a SERIOUS case of breathing problems to be the one I CAN'T puff away. The one that takes me to the hospital. I'm a little stubborn about doctors, though. Haha.
If, once I start vaping, I experienced some minor symptoms, I definitely come to this forum as a database of knowledgeable experience and ask about some likely REMEDIES to those symptoms.
If I were have supposedly SERIOUS symptoms, I'd remember that the internet is not my doctor, and can not physically diagnose my issues. I would then see my real professional doctor.
I can't even understand what would drive the OP to come and post self-diagnosed claims, then defensively refuse any advice that would allow the vaping community to be able to refute the claims (and help the OP's personal health) or accept and integrate newly proven symptoms.
My doctor isn't an ear specialist, but I'm pretty sure he could figure something out in regards to this lump in my earlobe. Or refer me to someone who would know something. (I really should get this seen, but I'm actively being dumb about it...) It seems to make sense that if you have concerns about the relations of vaping to your health, you would seek out a medical profession who knew something about your concerns. Not EVERYTHING, note. Obviously the research hasn't been completed to satisfaction.
The internet is NOT your doctor, by the way... (sorry, kind of unrelated, but it bugs me, haha)
Like some repliers here, I too felt a bit offput by the OP's extremely insistent claim that vaping DEFINITIVELY caused his symptoms. A claim unfounded by any professional diagnoses.
Let me share my little story about self-diagnosis. I've been hospitalized a few times since I started smoking. Asthma related complications. Once I was diagnosed with bronchitis, given medication and sent on my way. The next time, experiencing the exact same symptoms, I hobbled into the after-hours ER, claimed I had bronchitis and just needed the meds, please. Turned out there was no infections, and I'd actually been seriously overtaxing my lungs with smoke and overusing my prescription inhaler to the point that my body no longer reacted to it. Spent 4 hours breathing in cocktails of stuff just to get my lungs in a reasonably functioning situation again.
I may have thought I knew what was going on with MY OWN BODY, according to MY OWN EXPERIENCES, but I was still dead wrong. Doctor looked at me and told me I'd be killing myself pretty soon if I kept this up.
As far as OTC inhaler, and Primatine Mist... You want to know about some nasty stuff to be inhaling? Well this is it. I'm unfortunately stuck on the PM since my shady insurance dropped my coverage, and I can't afford a full price prescription. I've been on it so long that it doesn't seem like a big deal anymore, but I've also been lucky in that I haven't had any episodes where I really feel the need to overdo its use.
I do remember how it was when I first started using it, though. PM is strong, doesn't need as much to be effective, and lasts longer than a 'scrip inhaler, as a result. But it's incredibly harsh, too. It was burning my throat, as a smoker, even though I kept myself to the 4 hour dosing schedule. It has pretty severe warnings against using it too often, too many times in a day, and for too long of an extended period. In fact, following dosage directions, you wouldn't even finish the inhaler within the recommended directions. It's bad stuff, and though my body is now accustomed to it (a scary thought, I know), I'd be more likely to assume the OP's symptoms are related to the inhalers than the vaping. Assume, because I'm no doctor, by any means.
And 4 inhalers a year? Sounds like a big deal to someone who's not currently relying on them. Seems like nothing to me, who's been living on them for the last 10 years. If I were able to afford all my meds, even with insurance, I'd have a "rescue" inhaler (the standard puffer types), and a 2x daily inhaled med to keep me off the inhaler. I'd consider a SERIOUS case of breathing problems to be the one I CAN'T puff away. The one that takes me to the hospital. I'm a little stubborn about doctors, though. Haha.
If, once I start vaping, I experienced some minor symptoms, I definitely come to this forum as a database of knowledgeable experience and ask about some likely REMEDIES to those symptoms.
If I were have supposedly SERIOUS symptoms, I'd remember that the internet is not my doctor, and can not physically diagnose my issues. I would then see my real professional doctor.
I can't even understand what would drive the OP to come and post self-diagnosed claims, then defensively refuse any advice that would allow the vaping community to be able to refute the claims (and help the OP's personal health) or accept and integrate newly proven symptoms.
Well said, Kembial.
Improper use of those inhalators and the tablets as well is like giving oxygen to someone who's hyperventilating! Yes, self-diagnosis can lead to early demise. No wonder Doctors charge so much.
My lungs took probably six months to really start working properly again. I am amazed all the time what I almost did to myself by smoking so much for so long. Still, there are triggers, dust, pollen, even some e-liquids may cause shortness of breath. Trying to suck in more air makes your chest feel like your heart is ripping out. Imbalance of Oxygen and CO2 really causes bad problems, mental and physical.
Improper use of those inhalators and the tablets as well is like giving oxygen to someone who's hyperventilating! Yes, self-diagnosis can lead to early demise. No wonder Doctors charge so much.
My lungs took probably six months to really start working properly again. I am amazed all the time what I almost did to myself by smoking so much for so long. Still, there are triggers, dust, pollen, even some e-liquids may cause shortness of breath. Trying to suck in more air makes your chest feel like your heart is ripping out. Imbalance of Oxygen and CO2 really causes bad problems, mental and physical.
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Well said Kate51 and Kembial!
I love to see intelligent and rational posts, not conjecture and paranoia.
I just don't understand why some people post such alarmist rantings without first having some
sound medical proof.
Besides why shouldn't your {the OP's} posts be open to criticism?
Everyone else's are!
Sure I can believe he has some, or even most of those symptoms he described but attributing them
solely to vaping is irresponsible and perhaps "sour grapes" on his part who really knows?
Without a doctors opinion he doesn't know any more than we do with any degree of medical certainty other than he has "symptoms". As a person with COPD ,missing half a lung, and using four different inhalers and steroids prior to vaping, {prescribed by my medical doctors & pulmunologists} I think it would be likely that using an otc inhaler could potentially give you anxiety attacks from the epinephrine in the inhaler as could being dehydrated imo. I stopped using my inhalers and my nebulizer machine after vaping for one and a half weeks.
My COPD is well under control without medications.
My heart is working 37% more effeciently since I started vaping. {I had an ekg}
I could hardly walk before I quit smoking and took up vaping. It has saved my life!
I think it is more likely if you are convinced that vaping has somehow harmed you that you would be very stressed out and have corresponding symptoms according to those beliefs friend.
Here is some reading you may find of interest.
Asthma and Wheezing
C.B.
I love to see intelligent and rational posts, not conjecture and paranoia.
I just don't understand why some people post such alarmist rantings without first having some
sound medical proof.
Besides why shouldn't your {the OP's} posts be open to criticism?
Everyone else's are!
Sure I can believe he has some, or even most of those symptoms he described but attributing them
solely to vaping is irresponsible and perhaps "sour grapes" on his part who really knows?
Without a doctors opinion he doesn't know any more than we do with any degree of medical certainty other than he has "symptoms". As a person with COPD ,missing half a lung, and using four different inhalers and steroids prior to vaping, {prescribed by my medical doctors & pulmunologists} I think it would be likely that using an otc inhaler could potentially give you anxiety attacks from the epinephrine in the inhaler as could being dehydrated imo. I stopped using my inhalers and my nebulizer machine after vaping for one and a half weeks.
My COPD is well under control without medications.
My heart is working 37% more effeciently since I started vaping. {I had an ekg}
I could hardly walk before I quit smoking and took up vaping. It has saved my life!
I think it is more likely if you are convinced that vaping has somehow harmed you that you would be very stressed out and have corresponding symptoms according to those beliefs friend.
Here is some reading you may find of interest.
Asthma and Wheezing
C.B.
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Holy smokes!! I hope all those symtoms arn't from vaping. I was on anologs for 30+ years. This is the one thing that worked for me. I tried the gum,patch,inhaler,pills. I have had a growing lung mass for 4yrs. I feel better. The pain in my lung is gone. I guess my next MRI will tell.
Laguna, dude, go to the doctor. . Healthy people get sick all the time. I have had seen it to many times. I wish you the best.
Laguna, dude, go to the doctor. . Healthy people get sick all the time. I have had seen it to many times. I wish you the best.
That's a BIG cigar, babe!
Thanks for the links, good reading.
I know vaping saved my life...we had an older friend who walked uptown everyday for her pack of cigarettes, pulling her oxygen tank behind her. I always vowed I wouldn't end up that ridiculously, but I almost did. Until Uncle Sam boosted the taxes up one time too many and finally made me go looking for an alternative to quit. E-cigs worked! I suppose I should thank Uncle Sam.
Nah!!
Corn dust and wood smoke still makes me gasp sometimes, also as a child, but now can work through it ok. Took awhile though. Vitamin D3 and Niacin helps keep inflamation down and capillaries open...Niacin also helps keep my triglycerides in line. Drinking lots of water important as well, PG and VG is very drying.
I feel better than I have in years, energy and stamina to spare, even stress is managed better, and I sleep better as well ~ I should go do that! Life is good.
Thanks for the links, good reading.
I know vaping saved my life...we had an older friend who walked uptown everyday for her pack of cigarettes, pulling her oxygen tank behind her. I always vowed I wouldn't end up that ridiculously, but I almost did. Until Uncle Sam boosted the taxes up one time too many and finally made me go looking for an alternative to quit. E-cigs worked! I suppose I should thank Uncle Sam.
Nah!!
Corn dust and wood smoke still makes me gasp sometimes, also as a child, but now can work through it ok. Took awhile though. Vitamin D3 and Niacin helps keep inflamation down and capillaries open...Niacin also helps keep my triglycerides in line. Drinking lots of water important as well, PG and VG is very drying.
I feel better than I have in years, energy and stamina to spare, even stress is managed better, and I sleep better as well ~ I should go do that! Life is good.
Hypochondriasis seems to be a symptom of vaping in many people ( I have been paranoid too). This should be recorded in side effects of vaping so we can, after physical examination see our Mental health experts to possibly find perspective in our decisions to switch from smoking to some other alternative and hopefully regain our health.
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Laguna, wherever you are, I hope you're feeling better. I also hope you seek medical advice, no matter how you may be feeling at the moment. You can't be your own doctor, nobody can. Your symptoms need to be evaluated by a physician, just to be on the safe side. Good luck.
I'm glad to hear that, Kate.
And thank you for your contributions to this forum. I've been reading your posts for almost a year now and enjoyed every single one of them, both here and over there.
I admire your knowledge, your class and your calm. I've learned a lot from you. Keep up the good work.
I'm glad to hear that, Kate.
And thank you for your contributions to this forum. I've been reading your posts for almost a year now and enjoyed every single one of them, both here and over there.
I wouldn't say blissfully ignorant, but more like wishful thinking and overly optimistic. And the people selling the devices do not want to admit anything would be wrong with them for obvious reasons. The point of my post was that you never would speak of to anyone who claims E-cigs are great or 100 percent safe right? If someone came here with a super positive testimonial claiming e-cigs saved their life and they are safe and great etc etc. You would cheer them on. even though that would not be a fact. It would be an experience and an opinion based on X amount of usage for X amount of time. That is all good for you, but if someone comes on here and expresses a negative complaint or experience, than you chime in in defense of the ecigarette, stating that their claims shouldn't be considered 100 percent valid. Well guess what, no claims should be considered valid than pro or con. So if you feel better and say its because of the ecig thats ok, but those who feel worse are not allowed or need to find another cause? Just because you feel better from not using one substance does not mean the new thing you are starting is 100 percent safe or doing another type of damage. People who might replace cigarettes with eating cheese might still feel great but their cholesterol levels might be skyrocketing without them knowing it.
The point being. It seems that no matter if anyone says anything negative from their personal experience you will find a billion other reasons why its not the ecigarette. So no one is ever gonna have side effects from vaping according to you because the cause is not proven 100 percent. But for me, Someone who has quit smoking more than once and knows the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal has used the ecig and started getting very strange symptoms from it, well it looks like it probably was the e-cig. Just be unbiased. Thats what we need here. Ecigs could be 99.9 percent safer, 50 percent safer, or they could be just as bad, we just do not know yet. I believe they should be much safer, unless a chemical in an ecig really has a bad reaction with the body or a specific organ in the body. remember cigarettes are very long-term killers, not everything kills you as slowly as a cigarette believe it or not. People don't realize this fact.
The point being. It seems that no matter if anyone says anything negative from their personal experience you will find a billion other reasons why its not the ecigarette. So no one is ever gonna have side effects from vaping according to you because the cause is not proven 100 percent. But for me, Someone who has quit smoking more than once and knows the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal has used the ecig and started getting very strange symptoms from it, well it looks like it probably was the e-cig. Just be unbiased. Thats what we need here. Ecigs could be 99.9 percent safer, 50 percent safer, or they could be just as bad, we just do not know yet. I believe they should be much safer, unless a chemical in an ecig really has a bad reaction with the body or a specific organ in the body. remember cigarettes are very long-term killers, not everything kills you as slowly as a cigarette believe it or not. People don't realize this fact.
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