Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?

[beckdg]

"Slides into a pack?" So in this scenario the vaper would just turn into a smoker because they become that fiendish for nicotine? Hell, why not just say that once their battery dies the vaper (that never smoked) may even begin trolling the freeway to pick up used cigarette butts off the ground just to get his fix? I can totally see that happening...in an after-school special.

I can't remember, but how did we "slide into packs"? If I recall, it was because we just wanted to smoke, not because somehow the gas station ran out of candy cigarettes or Big League Chew!

Are you sure?

I vaguely remember a candy cigarette one time many moons ago.

That could have been what got me hooked.

Why are there no studies on candy cigarettes?

We need the fda and Congress to band together with bt and BP to tell us our opinion on this very important matter.

Our children's lives are at stake.

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[beckdg]

You think you will influence the regulations and laws? Nothing anyone on here says or thinks does...

Thank you for being the most progressive champion of that cause.

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[beckdg]

while riding a leg of the Tour De France on my exercise bike...

This made my day. [emoji38]

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[stevegmu]

Thank you for being the most progressive champion of that cause.

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If it's all about money as I keep hearing, unless the angry letters are stuffed with $100 bills, they are meaningless. It is good a form letter is supplied with many of the 'calls', though, for obvious reasons...

 

[beckdg]

Yea, I thought about that when I was typing. But I'm thinking mosspa is basically using the same resistance coils all the time, or if he varies, maybe something like 1.5R <--> 1.8R and my dim recollection is that the differences were not earthshaking in terms of voltage/power/vape. It was very subtle?

At 4V, a 1.5R coil is powering 10.67W. At 2.2R and 4V it is powering 7.27W. Considering those are about the widest extremes you can do with an EVOD, that is pretty close.

Now consider a 0.5R dripper verses a 1.8R dripper (and I have both at the moment). At 4V, the difference is 32W verses 8.9W. That is a HUGE difference. Depending on the atty and the coiling and wicking, swapping into the 0.5R coil could end in a horrendously bad burnt hit. I don't think that would happen with an EVOD. And at least in my mind this is where the difference lies.

Plus, consider that those eGo spinner style VV batteries don't typically have a huge range of voltage, so it was difficult to get yourself in trouble. At least the ones I used had a very narrow swing, and were not even capable of putting out enough power to do any real "damage" (in terms of a very unpleasant dry hit).

And I want to reiterate that I'm just trying to explain why VV works with an eGo/EVOD setup, but not so well as the potential power levels increase when you get into things like 30+ watt box mods, RDAs and such.

Oh, I dunno.

I vape @ ~80 watts.

Wife vapes happily on a 50 watt VW mod.

She vapes anywhere from 6.5 to 45 watts.

She's never been to 50.

Wouldn't matter if it was a 200 watt mod. She'd still get her preferred vape from each topper.

When trying a new build, head or topper, you start low and work your way up.

It's an incredibly simple concept... and just as simple to actually do.

If it takes doing it wrong more than once to learn the lesson, the problem definitely is not the hardware.

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[Mr.Mann]

Are you sure?

I vaguely remember a candy cigarette one time many moons ago.

That could have been what got me hooked.

Why are there no studies on candy cigarettes?

We need the fda and Congress to band together with bt and BP to tell us our opinion on this very important matter.

Our children's lives are at stake.

Tapatyped

I blame it on the nipple.

 

[beckdg]

I doubt that many here are worried about reverting back personally. Most of us have enough nic base in our freezers to last us a really long time. Personally, I've got over 15 years worth and I add to it on a regular basis. So a ban will not affect me any time soon. What we're worried about is that a ban would deny other smokers who've not yet switched the kind of opportunity we had.

Smokers who may or may not be people we care very much for.

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[beckdg]

Someone wondered why their blood pressure is elevated when they vape. Nicotine raises blood pressure...

We used to wonder why my son would get a rash when he washed with a certain soap.

Then eventually with the next soap.

Then eventually with the next soap.

Ad nauseum for years.

His pediatrician would only repeatedly do environmental allergy testing.

The only thing we were privy to was the pediatrician's and dermatologists diagnoses of eczema and no allergies.

I spent years ...... at the wife for not pushing the issue. We were to the point of abusing each other over the abuse she allowed the doctors to inflict on our son.

Then we moved.

Within 2 weeks the new pediatrician uncovered that he was allergic to wheat, milk and eggs.

Every freaking meal of his life was poisoning him.

His body couldn't expell fast enough what to him were toxins.

As he used each soap for longer periods of time, the perfumes, chemicals and what not either built up or simply became more irritating to him.

At times bathing him was the equivalent of lighting him on fire.

Upon eliminating these items almost completely from his diet... (Try doing it yourself... it'll take you years to figure out how to.)...

His "eczema" is nearly impossible to spot.

He touches these things from time to time and insists on indulging on his own accord whether by sneaking them at home or school... and his break outs are noticeable to us within 30 minutes.

Last week he started middle school. He had something dairy at lunch. Then he visited the school nurse. She called me freaking out, panicking and clueless.

I told her to stay calm. He's not dying. Call him back into the office. Rub his fingers on his left hand and behind his right ankle. Get to know how large the spots are, the coloration and texture. Then call him in in another hour. If nothings worse, he's fine.

But! If his belly or neck have any spots or his throat sounds horse or he complains of a sore throat, call me and we'll go from there.

She still sounded really anxious. But I'd laid panic to rest and she now knows how to deal with it properly.

My point? Blood pressure more difficult to understand. And the causes are much more difficult to test for.

The first simple minded, dopey answer isn't going to cut it... sometimes even from a doctor well versed in dealing with it.

Let's assume you're wrong so you don't have to "help" any more.

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[beckdg]

Exactly. Another great post, @AndriaD

In my mind, the notion that nicotine by itself is addictive, and therefore aligned with and lumped together with any other addictive substance, is a gross exaggeration. Addiction is more than a physical dependence or habit like with vaping or drinking coffee: addiction is all consuming and something that very little takes precedence over. Addiction will infiltrate your happiness and destroy your quality of life! Is that nicotine in eliquid? I doubt that. I've seen up close and personal what addiction can do to people and it pains me to even have to act like this warrants a comparison or has an inherent connection. But as long as some need to beat the drum of "it's addictive", the comparisons are there, no matter how off-base.

BRAVO!

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[beckdg]

If you're a foilhead, please ignore the comment.

As you wish.

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[beckdg]

Hello Professor, thank you for joining us, I really appreciate your contribution to this discussion.

I have also been reading through your thread and 45mg sounds really strong, according to what I have read on most places where they recommend 36mg at most, for people going over from >2 packs of cigarettes a day.

Granted though, it does make sense, approaching vaping as a drug delivery system rather than an activity, where the main purpose is getting a dose of nicotine delivered in the most efficient and quickest way possible, in contrast to smokers which casually go about it, vaping for hours on end.

With that being said I keep hearing about "throat hit", a burning sensation produced in the throat caused by irritation, that smokers/vapers get pleasure from. Apparently this gets more intense as the nicotine concentration increases. Though having never experienced it, I can't really know what it's like, wouldn't 45mg/ml be cause an overly harsh/intense "throat hit"?

Not necessarily. Depends on the nic, flavor, person, device, air flow, pg/vg and build.

Not too many vapers can handle my 50mg @ .2 ohm.

Nor can many long term smokers past middle age or more.

Though, I find many smokers in their mid 30s and under adjust within a hit or two quite well.

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[beckdg]

One of the unfortunate facts of life here is that it is that a never-smoker would have extreme difficulty finding any actual facts on the matter. As evidence I present this thread, and others like it. Sigh.

Sigh indeed.

Unfortunately the INactive-ists are way too vocal on topics they're not interested in finding truth about.

And sometimes about attempting to convince people doing something about our situation is useless.

As per a particular poster here who's been historically prolific on that topic.

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[stevegmu]

Sigh indeed.

Unfortunately the INactive-ists are way too vocal on topics they're not interested in finding truth about.

And sometimes about attempting to convince people doing something about our situation is useless.

As per a particular poster here who's been historically prolific on that topic.

Tapatyped

It's shameful some try to convert others to their addiction. Funny so many cry about BT getting them addicted to their products,when some vapers would do the same...

 

[beckdg]

Post not dignifiable. Responding directly not useful.
Must refrain.

Slapping child only teaches them more irresponsible behavior...

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[Rossum]

Slapping child only teaches them more irresponsible behavior...

Meh, sometimes there's no other way to get through to them.

 

[beckdg]

Meh, sometimes there's no other way to get through to them.

I gotta pee now, thanks.

It's a long walk...

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[beckdg]

You actually dripped 50 mg/ml? That's amazing!

Well...

To some. [emoji14]

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[Scootaloo]

I personally came to vaping from smoking, but I don’t see why not.

Smoking is super unhealthy and kills people, vaping so far seems to be a heck of a lot healthier, and doing neither is probably healthier still.

But all the same, if you’re going to choose from vaping or smoking why smoke in the first place? Why not just pick the healthier and in my opinion much more enjoyable method?

As for the nicotine part, it should be noted how it's addictive. But then again, vaping allows users to often lower the intake gradualy if they so choose to. And vaping so far as we know allows people to enjoy nicotine in a healthier way so why can't never smokers join in the fun to?

 

[beckdg]

28mg nic chokes me out. 50mg would be lethal. Just goes to show how bogus and meaningless these studies really are.

Lollicopter....

This is a public forum.

IE; you just said that to someone who's vaped 100mg nic base in an rda.

And has shared 50mg joose with probably over 50 people easy.

When I vaped 100mg the first time, there was still people on this forum saying 36mg would kill anyone that vaped it by the end of the day.

You still seem stuck in that era.

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[beckdg]

See...

And as we all know... @beckdg vapes 50mg... in an RDA. Pretty sure he's still walking around... driving a big damn truck.

18mg makes me feel like throwing up.

Andria

Thank ya, darlin'!

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