It would be interesting to know if there is an addiction if you never smoked or if the whole addiction is from smoking. That would put a hole in alot of peoples sails if it wernt addictive at all or even mildly addictive.
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It would be interesting to know if there is an addiction if you never smoked or if the whole addiction is from smoking. That would put a hole in alot of peoples sails if it wernt addictive at all or even mildly addictive.
Exactly. I bought a PV and some 0-nic juice for a former-smoker buddy who quit years ago as a gift. He likes it. A lot. Might even take up some nic again. 3mg or whatever is mild. I don't see anything wrong with that. People have been consuming nicotine for thousands of years. Whatever. I also like Chianti - see, right now - and the occasional Whisky, and I'm not alone in that either. Pfft on these Puritans.
I used to drive an old Chevy Impala with no air bags and the seat belt on the driver's side didn't work. It was also a gas guzzler. I replaced it with a little Ford Escort that had great MPG, air bags and working seat belts. I just replaced one car for another, but can people really ignore the significant differences in the cars?
Even if its just "replacing one addiction for another" and vaping is proven to be addictive on its own, what is so bad about having an addiction to something that you enjoy, can afford, isn't killing you, isn't harming bystanders, isn't going to make you behave recklessly or lose inhibitions, doesn't affect your job performance or have any other downside other than it makes you a little crabby if you can't use it?
Addiction is bad because it is a dependency that usually ruins your life. But what if it is a dependency that won't ruin your life?
good post Kristin. And better yet...what if it is an addiction that enhances your life and improves your feelings of good health? I don't see people throwing a hissy fit over those 5hour energy drinks. I wonder how those affect your insulin resistance? In three years I have only refused to sell my product to one person...and that was a 17 year old kid that called and wanted to spend his birthday (18th) money on an ecig because...."all my cousins smoke and they look SO cool doing it". I'm sorry but in my book that is not an informed choice. Because of the type of product we sell (blingbling) we do get people, usually women, who just want one for the "effect" socially. So I sell them NON nicotine and everyone is happy. I also make sure and tell them that NO we don't really know what the long term affects are but that we all WANT TO BELIEVE this is a relatively harmless product, with or without nicotine.
However...under no circumstances do I think the ecig should ever be marketed to non-smokers. Simply because that would be the death of the industry...like someone pointed out its exactly what the FDA would love to prove. People (adult people) should be allowed to make their own choices though.
Excellent thread!
Interesting question. There are lots of things I would like to think I would never start with today's knowledge. However I also know what a know everything of a kid I was back then (heck a lot of us were probably like that).
The real question is: If you could go back and talk to yourself would you be able to convince yourself to not smoke?
My answer, probably not.
now to alcohol. My family has problems with the booze. I LIKED it when I was younger. Liked it too much. But I managed to see what it was doing to my Father, my Uncle and my younger brother and managed to stop. Now I allow myself to have 1 drink, just one, once or twice a year. Sometimes. Sometimes I get some beer and stick it in the fridge and it stays there until we need the room. Heck I have a can of Heineken (big one) that I got for New Years eve. Oh 2 or 3 years ago. I should probably toss it out. LOL!
For smoking I have hindsight. For drinking I was fortunate enough to have foresight.
Yes. Winston it was if I remember correctly.
Fred was never too smart if you ask me.
I'm no where near close to your first statement.
However you last statement was me on smoking. I enjoyed it. I'm very glad I found vaping so I can continue to enjoy what I enjoyed without the risks that came with smoking.Are there risks to what I'm doing now? We are not 100% sure either way, but we do know we are not getting the 4000+ toxins we were putting into our bodies.
I'll call that a win for now.
I promote vaping to smokers when they ask. I educate non-smokers when they ask. I won't promote it to non-smokers for something to do or look cool. I vape to keep from going back to smoking. I don't recommend anyone to start smoking.
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While it certainly is the right of anyone to start smoking, vaping, drinking alcohol, drinking coffee, etc. I would never recommend starting ANY addiction. Not to nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, etc. I know a ton of people that are so addicted to Starbucks that they spend more than double on that than I ever did on smoking. Of course they are free to do so if they wish. I would just never suggest that to anyone.
I staunchly refuse to regulate others' choices; it would be a burden to me to do so, and others generally do not appreciate advice anyway. Vape away, everybody. Anyone who wants to try the PV can (if I have a spare drip tip). Anyone who wants info on how/what to buy, it is yours.
I guess I see both sides. Its kind of like smoking in the past they didn't want to make it look cool and have young teens start. But I also say if you are going to start smoking , and we all know how it happens why not start vaping instead. I guess its probably a lot more convenient to become addicted to vaping then actual smoking.
I had to quit smoking about 5-6 yrs ago. My grandmother smoked, and died of lung cancer. My father smoked and died of lung cancer. I saw a definite pattern. So I quit for health reasons. But I really didn't "want" to quit. I rather enjoyed smoking. My hubby switched from cigs to vaping about a year ago. After educating me about it, I decided to start vaping. Instead of smoking 1 pack a day, I vape only a handful of times throughout the day. I get the taste, satisfaction, and stress relief. And my hubby makes our juices, so I have extremely low nicotine content. Is it 100% safe long term, we don't know yet. But nowadays everything is "bad" for you. And if this is my only vice in life, I'm doing pretty good, lol. And I'm not getting all the toxins, poisons, tar, etc.
I guess I also can see both points.
Nicotine is addictive and I would not want to start anybody on something that can lead to addiction, but with medical evidence suggesting that nicotine like we get it in vaping is closer to caffeine on the danger level then say cleaning a loaded rifle pointed at your face like a cigarette I can't totally object either.
People are going to do what they want to do. If somebody really wants to smoke because of the image or whatever reason they might want to, is handing them an e-cig really that bad of an alternative? We hand people other addictive things all the time,, caffeine, alcohol, sugar and none of these things are on the "best possible things you could ever do for yourself list". Take into account that you can give people a 0 nic e-cig, you are certainly doing them a favor if you can get them to rethink something like smoking.
I'm not saying we should promote vaping like the next "cool" thing to do or anything, but lets not paint it as evil as smoking either. We know better.
Nicotine is addictive and I would not want to start anybody on something that can lead to addiction, but with medical evidence suggesting that nicotine like we get it in vaping is closer to caffeine on the danger level then say cleaning a loaded rifle pointed at your face like a cigarette I can't totally object either.
People are going to do what they want to do. If somebody really wants to smoke because of the image or whatever reason they might want to, is handing them an e-cig really that bad of an alternative? We hand people other addictive things all the time,, caffeine, alcohol, sugar and none of these things are on the "best possible things you could ever do for yourself list". Take into account that you can give people a 0 nic e-cig, you are certainly doing them a favor if you can get them to rethink something like smoking.
I'm not saying we should promote vaping like the next "cool" thing to do or anything, but lets not paint it as evil as smoking either. We know better.
Why are so many smokers against non-smokers beginning to smoke? It's something along those lines. If you don't have the habit / addiction, why start? Inhalation of any foreign substance is not considered healthy.
There's also some politics involved. We're trying to gain acceptance (and avoid bans) for vaping. Non-smokers starting to vape makes it really hard to argue that this is the most amazing smoke-cessation tool known to man. I'd hate to lose my right to vape just because some hipster want to look even hipper.
There's also some politics involved. We're trying to gain acceptance (and avoid bans) for vaping. Non-smokers starting to vape makes it really hard to argue that this is the most amazing smoke-cessation tool known to man. I'd hate to lose my right to vape just because some hipster want to look even hipper.
If vaping were a smoke cessation tool, then you would need a prescription. Vaping is a smoke replacement and I don't see anything wrong with a non smoker replacing tobacco with vaping. Preferably 0 nic, but an adult can make his/her own decision.
I dont have anything against it nor i would i give advice either way. If a friend of mine said they were going to start and was a non smoker id ask them why are you trying to pick up new habits now? Nicotine is a burden that requires upkeep or cessation. JMO
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I'm actually not sure what is the point of lowering your nic to 0. There are very minor negative effects, to the point where positive effects outweigh the negatives, at least in my opinion.
I did reduce mine from 36mg to 12 over time, but that was mainly so that I wouldn't have to go back to analogs if nicotine juices get "regulated".
I did reduce mine from 36mg to 12 over time, but that was mainly so that I wouldn't have to go back to analogs if nicotine juices get "regulated".
I think there is enough research out there to prove that vaping is a thousand times safer than smoking so those people who tell me I shouldn't annoy the hell out of me. But I am not quite sure why someone who has never smoked would want to. But it all comes down to the simple fact that vaping does not hurt anyone else so if someone chooses to start it is a free country. Or at least it is supposed to be.
I don't have a problem with non-smokers vaping. It's enjoyable and tastes good. Same as "why would non-alcoholics drink a beer with their burger". Luckily for them, there's a 0-nic option, so you can enjoy the taste and sensation without the addiction.
For me the longer I vape the more naturally my nic level is going down. I started at 12 dropped to 6 because 12 really was too much. THe last week or so I am noticing 6 is a bit much so my next batch of juice is going to be 4.
Since it is sort of happening on its own why NOT reduce it. Now I won't stop vaping when I hit 0 since I enjoy the act of vaping, but I see no reason why those who want to reduce nic shouldn't do so.
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