Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?
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I've been noticing that i wheeze a lot, late at night, after I've been awake and vaping for 12-ish hrs; that's why I'm going to try 86/14 on the next mix. I have to be careful, because I once discovered that 90% PG irritates my mucosa severely; I need to stay just below that level, but maybe I can handle 86/14, and ease the asthma a bit more.
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Really? Its shows the insidious nature concerning addiction to the substance, of which seems to me to be the focus of discussion. Your knowledge on the matter only shows you will make up your own mind regardless of the sound logic being put forth. The off hand comparison between Nic addition and ww2 Germany does not escape me.
Here's how I look at it. A 30 year former smoking habit gone. I have quit smoking maybe a 1000 times over that span. Throughout that time I was anywhere from 3 packs a day to 1 pack. It took me a few months to give up the smokes. I haven't had a smoke in 3 years now.
Okay great blue so what's your point? I still crave them. As I sit here writing this, I wanted to go outside and have a smoke. That tells me there is something more than nicotine causing my wanting of a smoke. I don't though. I have the willpower or the vape to quash that feeling.
As the other person, the first taste of a smoke is delicious.
I speak for myself in this regard. I and I alone know my body. Well my wife may know my body as well
Okay great blue so what's your point? I still crave them. As I sit here writing this, I wanted to go outside and have a smoke. That tells me there is something more than nicotine causing my wanting of a smoke. I don't though. I have the willpower or the vape to quash that feeling.
As the other person, the first taste of a smoke is delicious.
I speak for myself in this regard. I and I alone know my body. Well my wife may know my body as well
I like the taste and smell of cigarettes. Had a few in Prague last trip. For the first 6 months, or so I quit smoking I couldn't stand the smell and taste, though, but 6 months later I tried one and liked it. Now I just have 2-5 every 6 months, or so on holiday. I don't crave them here at all, though, just in Prague...
I think that people that never smoked start vaping for the same reasons I started smoking. So im glad your vaping and your here instead of there.
There are two 'substances' in play here, e-cig vapor and tobacco smoke. Which one are you referring to?
How many cigarettes I smoked in my past is irrelevant. Research indicates that much of the damage I did to my lungs and body can be reversed in time.
How is your body supposed to ever heal if youre still subjecting it to the 4000+ chemicals (69 of them known carcinogens) found in a cigarette on a semi-regular basis?
You arent dragging around a tank and dying a painful death YET. Yet being the operative word here. Keep deluding yourself and that eventuality may still may come to pass.
I hope that "absolutely wonderful flavor" is worth it for you and anyone else ignorant enough to buy this load of utter hogwash that youve brainwashed yourself into believing.
What you call "moderate cigarette use" is cheating, it's rationalizing, its attempting to have ones cake and eat it too, its being dishonest with ones self, its self destructive and its delusional.
End of story.
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Im surprised that you still crave a cigarette Blue. I craved them right up until the 1 year mark but thankfully the cravings and dreams completely disappeared by year 2.
This is just my personal opinion. I'll preface by saying grown adults should be able to so as they please and I have no issues with that so long as it isn't harming others.
I'm trying to a quit smoking with vaping, and still not there. But the end goal for me is to eventually never vape or smoke.
I recently found out I have a severe chronic illness with the potential to be fatal if not properly treated. And interestingly enough, the primary treatment for me is a strict elimination diet. And the difference in how I feel, how my relationships and job and everything else is impacted by what I do or do not eat is astounding. I am slowly getting my life back and feeling much closer to my actual age of 35 than the 10 years or more older I was feeling.
It's made me more aware overall. The quality of my water, the plastics I used to use for heating food, the smoking/vaping. I now believe a life of wholesome consumption is a game changer. It's just what I've been living.
I have a daughter, she's only 7, and when she expresses an interest in the smell of my ejuice it kills me. I don't want her to have a life of checking pockets or purse for the ecig and batteries, wasting time and money and thought on building coils, procuring equipment and juice and jonesing for a fix and being very uncomfortable without it. I want her to be focused on being healthy and strong without complication or distraction. I want her life to be packing put for a hike with a water and a larabar, not fixating on what she needs for her nicotine fix. Not choosing activities and outtings to accommodate that created need.
For me personally, I'm an addict. Whether it's smoking or vaping. And I don't want that for her, even if the risk of addiction is minute.
So do I judge a never smoker for vaping or using nicotine? No. But for me, if it were my daughter, I'd be sad about the additional and unnecessary burden. I'd also worry about the lack of long term studies about the risks and rewards of vaping.
I'm trying to a quit smoking with vaping, and still not there. But the end goal for me is to eventually never vape or smoke.
I recently found out I have a severe chronic illness with the potential to be fatal if not properly treated. And interestingly enough, the primary treatment for me is a strict elimination diet. And the difference in how I feel, how my relationships and job and everything else is impacted by what I do or do not eat is astounding. I am slowly getting my life back and feeling much closer to my actual age of 35 than the 10 years or more older I was feeling.
It's made me more aware overall. The quality of my water, the plastics I used to use for heating food, the smoking/vaping. I now believe a life of wholesome consumption is a game changer. It's just what I've been living.
I have a daughter, she's only 7, and when she expresses an interest in the smell of my ejuice it kills me. I don't want her to have a life of checking pockets or purse for the ecig and batteries, wasting time and money and thought on building coils, procuring equipment and juice and jonesing for a fix and being very uncomfortable without it. I want her to be focused on being healthy and strong without complication or distraction. I want her life to be packing put for a hike with a water and a larabar, not fixating on what she needs for her nicotine fix. Not choosing activities and outtings to accommodate that created need.
For me personally, I'm an addict. Whether it's smoking or vaping. And I don't want that for her, even if the risk of addiction is minute.
So do I judge a never smoker for vaping or using nicotine? No. But for me, if it were my daughter, I'd be sad about the additional and unnecessary burden. I'd also worry about the lack of long term studies about the risks and rewards of vaping.
I was referring to the OP`s question of Nic, non dependent of how its administered.
Reydan's right, you are comparing tobacco smoke, and the addiction potential and well known deleterious effects and deaths it has caused, with vaping nicotine, as if they were the same.
That's not sound logic at all.
It's like saying that you won't drive an electric car because cars with internal combustion engines pollute the air in your garage.
There is no logical link in what you are saying.
Once again, it's not the nicotine that makes cigarettes addictive, but rather all the other crap that's put in them.
Research has shown repeatedly that nicotine on its own has way,way less addictive properties than cigarette smoke.
Thanks for clarifying that VHRB2014.
Nicotine is a fairly non-addictive substance as addictive substances go. That doesn't mean no-one will ever become addicted to it because addiction is a complex phenomenon. It doesn't even need a substance to work. Gambling, work, risk, sex and power can all be addictive for some people and I think I'm just scratching the surface here.
Ryedan, I am generally inclined to agree with you on most subjects, but this one I can not.
Wiki page on the chemical/substance sates that nicotine's addictive liability is; High. They also classify its psychological dependency as: High. Now I`m not one to take everything on Wiki as the gospel truth, but my own experience bares this out. Some will claim it is the additives in cigarettes that make it so addictive, and to a certain extent I will agree with that they do modify and increase, if not insure, the chance of addiction, but "I believe" that nicotine is still extremely addictive on its own. My experience is with, as you probably know, cigars. To the best of my knowledge you will not find any additives in cigars, yet, you do find a large dose`s of nicotine.
Yes, I am addicted to love, air, water, and nicotine.
Someone said it above quite well I thought. What if your mod breaks and the only option is to go get a pack, what then? Perhaps a far fetched scenario, but not beyond the realm of possibility that one could find one self in that situation. Without the addiction that possible situation would not exist.
Lastly, I am by no means a health nut. But as I get older, it is becoming more and more a necessity that I take better care of myself. If a person is looking for a boost in life, the absolute best thing they can do is take care of themselves, eat a good diet, and get enough exercise. These three things are all that`s really needed to make you feel like you are on top of the world. Everything else has a come down, some with crash landings.
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And... how many times have you actually witnessed this or heard a credible recounting of such an event?
I have had to watch two MIL`s and a handful of business acquaintances die just like this over the last 5 years. You know, they smoked like chimneys for decades and then all of the sudden, they have 6 months to live. COPD, Emphysema, all the complications. The warning signs were all there for decades also, but they could`nt quit. The two MIL`s smoked right up to the point they were confined in ICU, to which they never exited alive. This is the single biggest reason for me trying to quite this last time, and then finding vaping as an alternative after 7 days cold turkey.
Well, for me, thank God for Vaping. I still have the time to heal, mostly I suppose. I know it was the cigarettes that killed them, but I know it was the nicotine that had them so hooked they could`nt quit even in the face of death. And the reason I am so pro vape, to a fault at times. And to the "never smoker", I say stay away, do something much more rewarding in life. It aint worth it. But this is just my opinion of course.
Unless I`m mistaken, we hear of this happening with regularity on the forum. In fact, we hear about it all the time, if not once a week.
As for hard numbers, I think we`ll need a government grant for that sort of research.
And you are repeating the main line of nicotine propaganda, equating nicotine with cigarettes. You are making nicotine the evil agent, ignoring the tobacco side.
Find me one person that has been killed by ingesting reasonable amounts of nicotine without using tobacco as a delivery agent.
Please give me some links to actual stories of never smoking vapers bumming cigarettes when their vape gear fails. I missed them.
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