The only 3 I really care about are Capella, TFA/TPA and FlavourArt and you can't regulate flavor makers since their main business is food flavorings.
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DIY products can't be deemed tobacco products, what are you going to ban... food flavorings? PG? VG? All these items have other purposes that were there long before vaping existed. The only product that will likely get regulated is nicotine and the black market for that will be huge, not to mention it's easy to store.Not now. They will be if they are deemed a tobacco product. If you're not worried
about it,then why all the flashlight commentary? Simply build a unregulated mod.
People think the black market will take the place of many of our needs. Some
also think the OMB will kick back the deeming regs to the FDA for this reason
and others. Well this reason and others all get trumped by the safety factor
in general and the chillin' specifically.
I think you can agree that the FDA is trying a new approach to regulations
as evidenced by the draconian approach they have concerning e-cigarettes.
As any bureaucracy the FDA is seeking expansion and greater reach and
control. Deeming is a start of a new paradigm for them along with the
National and multiNational companies that are regulated by the FDA
for any reason. I believe if the FDA gets what they and the other stakeholders
want out of this it will not only decimate the vaping industry but,lay out the
roadmap for future conquests. Top to bottom control from origin to your home
of everything the FDA has jurisdiction over eventually.
I personally think the FDA with the acquiescence of the real stakeholders
intends to mess us up. There is an acronym for what I want to say but,
I believe it's against forum rules.
Regards
Mike
Not now. They will be if they are deemed a tobacco product. If you're not worried
about it,then why all the flashlight commentary? Simply build a unregulated mod.
People think the black market will take the place of many of our needs. Some
also think the OMB will kick back the deeming regs to the FDA for this reason
and others. Well this reason and others all get trumped by the safety factor
in general and the chillin' specifically.
I think you can agree that the FDA is trying a new approach to regulations
as evidenced by the draconian approach they have concerning e-cigarettes.
As any bureaucracy the FDA is seeking expansion and greater reach and
control. Deeming is a start of a new paradigm for them along with the
National and multiNational companies that are regulated by the FDA
for any reason. I believe if the FDA gets what they and the other stakeholders
want out of this it will not only decimate the vaping industry but,lay out the
roadmap for future conquests. Top to bottom control from origin to your home
of everything the FDA has jurisdiction over eventually.
I personally think the FDA with the acquiescence of the real stakeholders
intends to mess us up. There is an acronym for what I want to say but,
I believe it's against forum rules.
Regards
Mike
Dude, you clearly don't understand this at all, or even what the FDA is.
You have wild delusions of their power. .That's sad.
You even compared them to the ATF.
The ATF is part of the justice dept.
Not even within the same branch of government.
The FDa may not be able to regulate any stand alone product but,most certainly can regulate prescribed
usage of the product.
I have no delusions of the power the FDA and the government in general can wield
if they so choose to do so. You underestimate the power and reach the FDA and
government in general all ready have and the extension of power that will be granted
in future regulation. Look what they did with the drones. Simple zoning ordinances are
sufficient to handle the issue. Many municipalities already have them. Now its a home
land security issue and registration is required.
Regards
Mike
I honestly don't care what happens. Selfish, I know and it sucks that people that really want a cigarette alternative will be forced back to the butts, but I have enough of EVERYTHING I need to vape for the next 20+ years. IF nothing changes, great. If accessibility and unreasomable taxation makes vaping cost prohibitive, be ready to DIY and have a good stock of mods/tanks/juice ingredients.
If anyone out there wants to avoid this deeming crap and potential State/Province and city legislation/taxation, buy nic and learn to DIY, buy a few extra mods and tanks and learn to make coils. You'll be all set.
If anyone out there wants to avoid this deeming crap and potential State/Province and city legislation/taxation, buy nic and learn to DIY, buy a few extra mods and tanks and learn to make coils. You'll be all set.
No longer participating in Doom and Gloom. It is just what the ANTZ would want.
Push come shove, the Bottom line is what they see as all important. Everything will boil down to what IS BEST for their bottom line.
Until terms of Deeming and information on Control of Sales/Use Products is Revealed, this is all just positive and negative speculation.
* Regardless of final ruling - There are many things FDA has written regulations to cover, which have not fully been controlled.
Push come shove, the Bottom line is what they see as all important. Everything will boil down to what IS BEST for their bottom line.
Until terms of Deeming and information on Control of Sales/Use Products is Revealed, this is all just positive and negative speculation.
* Regardless of final ruling - There are many things FDA has written regulations to cover, which have not fully been controlled.
Hey, as long as he has his phone and a pen......Barrak Hussain Obamma could decide to act and have vape gear disappear
The FDa may not be able to regulate any stand alone product but,most certainly can regulate prescribed
usage of the product.
I have no delusions of the power the FDA and the government in general can wield
if they so choose to do so. You underestimate the power and reach the FDA and
government in general all ready have and the extension of power that will be granted
in future regulation. Look what they did with the drones. Simple zoning ordinances are
sufficient to handle the issue. Many municipalities already have them. Now its a home
land security issue and registration is required.
Regards
Mike
Lol
No sir, I am well educated, and fully understand the powers of my government.
You assume something huge will change, granting unlimited lawmaking and enforcement powers to all branches of government? Like a totalitarian society?
Wut?
Do you really not understand how our government works at all?
And you are 60?
Dude...You were taught this in high school.
Fixed that for you.
FedGov does what FedGov wants; the plain words of the Constitution have been interpreted to null and void so often and in so many ways that it is all but irrelevant.
Is a zip gun exempt from BATF regulation? After all i made it & it's not for sale..
( I think you are smarter than this but I'll Play along)
If you cast a vote, you know better.
If you don't, you obviously don't
want to be heard.
It's cool, just sit back and leave the heavy lifting to the big boys.
1. It's not regulated by the FDA.
It's regulated by congressional law.
But the short answer is: yes you can legally make a gun as long as you don't sell it or give it away.
You know what, the only thing one would really need is the nicotine. One does not ever need a device to vaporize it, batteries to run it, wick to hold the juice let alone the wire to fire. I know when at work, I am fine just putting a dab or two on the finger and licking it. BAM, nicotine in your system. Each content can be ingested in moderation just like everything else in life....Just my $0.03 for inflation.
No need to buy an extra freezer just for that. Although just for giggles it would be nice to see a small one just for juice. Only thing freezer would be good for is storing the nic base. Flavorings, PG, & VG can be kept out in a cool dark location.
Your 1 liter bottle takes up room like a liter bottle of soda. Buy one or two and throw them in your freezer you have now to verify space.I've read some of the links, and tried understanding what is going on with the proposed legislation.
Basically, am i going to have to start DIY'ing? Because, honestly, i really don't want to go there. I'm leery of buying litres of anything, not to mention having to buy an extra freezer. Will i not be able to just buy any juice? Or is the US just proposing to tax the juice.
Or will i have to just buy vg at Wally World, and vape on that while i chomp on Nicotrol? I am really confused. And even my cats won't come anywhere near what passes for 'cooking' @ my house. Please advise
No need to buy an extra freezer just for that. Although just for giggles it would be nice to see a small one just for juice. Only thing freezer would be good for is storing the nic base. Flavorings, PG, & VG can be kept out in a cool dark location.Without a serial number I'm subject to federal prosecution, if i add a serial number I'm an unregistered manufacturer..( I think you are smarter than this but I'll Play along)
If you cast a vote, you know better.
If you don't, you obviously don't
want to be heard.
It's cool, just sit back and leave the heavy lifting to the big boys.
1. It's not regulated by the FDA.
It's regulated by congressional law.
But the short answer is: yes you can legally make a gun as long as you don't sell it or give it away.
1 cubic foot = 28.3 liters. Now you can't really put 28 liters of liquid in round bottles in a a 1 cubic foot freezer, but still. A few liters does not take up much space.Your 1 liter bottle takes up room like a liter bottle of soda. Buy one or two and throw them in your freezer you have now to verify space.
Like this?No need to buy an extra freezer just for that. Although just for giggles it would be nice to see a small one just for juice.
Well, I am hoping that a person would only need around 6 liters of 100 mg to last them. At my rate of vaping now, 1 liter will last me four and a half years. I have noticed over time my consumption is dropping and theoretically should last even longer. Aww craaaaaap. That only puts me at 63 years young.... Think I should buy another 6 liters for a total of 12.
I have a huge chest freezer down in my basement with tons of space. With only 6 liters in it.......
Yes, exactly.1 cubic foot = 28.3 liters. Now you can't really put 28 liters of liquid in round bottles in a a 1 cubic foot freezer, but still. A few liters does not take up much space.
Like this?
I have a huge chest freezer down in my basement with tons of space. With only 6 liters in it.......
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My consumption has been pretty steady well over a year now. I have no desire to reduce it either. I'm good into my 80's now, but will continue to buy more as long as high quality product remains affordable. Even if it remains available indefinitely (which I consider unlikely), I'm quite confident it will end up taxed out the wazoo at some point.
Is that a question?Think I should buy another 6 liters for a total of 12
My kind of freezer!!..1 cubic foot = 28.3 liters. Now you can't really put 28 liters of liquid in round bottles in a a 1 cubic foot freezer, but still. A few liters does not take up much space.
Like this?
The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) mandated, among other things, that persons “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms must be licensed by the federal government. (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(C).) This development made it illegal for an unlicensed person to make a firearm for sale or distribution. (18 U.S.C. § 923.) In addition, the law requires that firearms dealers must perform background checks on prospective purchasers and maintain records of all gun sales. (18 U.S.C § 922(t).)
However, there is nothing in the GCA that prohibits an individual from making a gun for his or her own personal use.
You can legally make and own a flamethrower too.
Know your rights or they will be taken from you.
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