Vapor Flask V3 DNA40 Clone thread

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I too agree with your statement.... " I don't even want to get into the whole blaming the US consumers for the clone market". I rather take exception with Americans sending authentic products to China to be cloned. Americans should design their own product and send them to China, if they want, to be made. Praying on legitimate and successful Americans products and businesses to support cloning a cheaper product is just wrong...

They bought it, they own it, they paid the premium, they can do what they damn well please with it.

Lotta prejudice there, too. People think something "designed in America" has some special cachet, and something "designed in China" is junk, and that the Chinese are incapable of innovating. But go ask the Japanese and Koreans how that "if it ain't American, it ain't {MODERATED} " sentiment worked out for them in the long run. After getting the same attitude as the Chinese are getting now, in the end they ate America's lunch in cars, motorcycles, and consumer electronics. And it wasn't just because somebody shipped them a few Fords, Chevys, and RCA televisions.
 
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If it's jumping in and out of tp mode, you definitely have connectivity issues.
The reason I know this is because I've seen this occur on my authentic DNA40.
In every case it was either questionable coils shorting between turns, questionable coil connections, questionable 510 connections, or a combination of any of the aforementioned.
 

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They bought it, they own it, they paid the premium, they can do what they damn well please with it..

So you are saying because someone paid for a product, they have the right to send it to China and have them rip off a different companies hard work and R&D required to make said product just because someone bought ONE device? Or am I reading this wrong?
 

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They bought it, they own it, they paid the premium, they can do what they damn well please with it.

Lotta prejudice there, too. People think something "designed in America" has some special cachet, and something "designed in China" is junk, and that the Chinese are incapable of innovating. But go ask the Japanese and Koreans how that "if it ain't American, it ain't {MODERATED} " sentiment worked out for them in the long run. After getting the same attitude as the Chinese are getting now, in the end they ate America's lunch in cars, motorcycles, and consumer electronics. And it wasn't just because somebody shipped them a few Fords, Chevys, and RCA televisions.

Now that is a different subject all together....and debating two subjects at once certainly is not on topic nor beneficial in a Vapor Flask thread...IMO....only responded to your initial post on the off-topic subject you started with my thoughts.... and will only say this on the new subjerct you broached...Most of the automobiles produced in China are made by joint ventures between local and foreign manufacturers such as Volkswagen, General Motors, Hyundai, Nissan, Honda, Toyota and Mitsubishi. Indigenous brands that do not cooperate with a multinational also exist but may be less popular....... I'm now going back on-topic....
 
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Finish and everything is spot on. The pin is not adjustable but I don't think it's the issue. The atty meets resistance well before it is flush with the mod. I kept trying to see a welcome screen but there doesn't seem to be one at all. It had gone back to regular mode from temp control a few times too. It is the chip. Not good at all. Don't want to take apart for fear of losin refund. So disappointed. Waited a long time for this and it horrible.

That is a true heartbreaker! So it appears that Summer did indeed tell the truth when he told me they developed their own chip from scratch because the KX-40Ds would have been too expensive to include (since they used patented Evolv Technology).

I had such high hopes for this after Gina from 3FVape email to me on 3/12/15:

...(Origional text of mine to 3FVape) From my conversations with Summer, he informs me that the chip in the unit is not the reliable and well respected KX-40D used in the Kangxin Flasks which you have sold previously as they were too expensive to include and that Waidea developed this version DNA40 Chip on their own. That is a cause for concern as Waidea also claims to manufacture the Vapor Shark rDNA 40 Clone you have listed on your site since January. Your correspondence of February 13th explaining the delay in release of the Vapor Shark rDNA 40 and all the problems you noted: “Unfortunately, we found serious quality issues on some products. The temperature control function does not work. And some screen were scrambled after a while” are enough to make anyone doubt the reliability of the chips in these units.

(3FVape answer) 2806/2834 share the same chip with 1660/2101 made by Kangxin, you will see different open-screen message though. To be specific, you may see "KX-40D" which is from Kangxin, "DNA40" or nothing, which are from Sunlay. They customized those in chip, which is quite easy. You should understand that it's not easy to develop a chip, not mention the temperature control function.


My questions to you regarding these products are:
1) Do you feel comfortable in the reliability and proper operation of the chips contained in the new flasks given the quality control issues you noted with the Vapor Shark on inspection of their facilities and production?

We tested 2806/2834 Versoin 3 for one week before we ship. Our products experts used those mods very heavily everyday. I also joined the activity to be a heavy vaper.

We won't ship products out until we feel good. So, yes, we think they are ready for customers....

That said, it does sound like a connectivity/bad connection issue from the symptoms you describe, maybe not in your atty if it tests out ok on another TP mod, but a bad soldier joint in the unit might account for it.

Again very sorry to hear of your issues & hope you will share your experience with 3FVape's resolution of your issues.
 
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I don't give a fat rats azz who made it, where it was made, under what conditions it was made.
Truth is Evolv beat everyone to the punch with TP huray and long live Evolv.

But this round goes to the Chinese, they were not only able to put out a product cheaper, but were also capable enough to fix the short comings that Evolv has failed to fix to tis day.
I know this posting is going to attract the Evolv fanboy gestapo
So I'm going to say this, although my allegiance lies with no one, I will give props to Evolv for innovation, but they fall far short in engineering, customer service, and public relations.

Again I like Evolv and I hope they around as long as vaping is around, but they have a lot of growing up to do.
 

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So you are saying because someone paid for a product, they have the right to send it to China and have them rip off a different companies hard work and R&D required to make said product just because someone bought ONE device? Or am I reading this wrong?

Nope, you read me right. Once it's out in the wild, it's out of the maker's control. What they DO have a lot of control over though, is the availability of the original, and the price of the original. Make it available and affordable, you increase supply and demand, and more fully profit from both. Drop the ball on either one (or in the case of most authentic makers, both), you just create an opportunity for somebody else, even though you may have "created" that market.

As for the "right to send it to China", there's nothing "unethical" about selling a product you bought to somebody from China, unless you subscribe to an impossible and failed set of ethics that says the creator of a tangible good owns it even though he sold it on the open market. That dog don't hunt, that dog has never hunted.

In some cases though, I'm pretty sure the authentic makers don't care one whit...they sell all they make (and at a high profit margin), they deliberately target a boutique, upscale market, so they lose very few (if any) sales to Chinese knockoffs. There's no warehouse full of authentic Vapor Flasks languishing for want of customers, as an example. Usually, there's customers languishing for want of a Vapor Flask. Demand, and it wants an outlet. Then there's those that just aren't able (or willing) to pay $300 for a bit of aluminum, brass and silicon. Demand, and it wants an outlet.

Now where I draw the line is somebody trying to pass a clone off as an authentic. Everyone in this thread knows that what Focal, Fasttech and 3Fvape are selling are knockoff Flasks. But Joe Consumer at the local Rape and Mortar paying $300 for a $50 clone thinking it's the real deal, that's fraud.
 

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Nope, you read me right. Once it's out in the wild, it's out of the maker's control. What they DO have a lot of control over though, is the availability of the original, and the price of the original. Make it available and affordable, you increase supply and demand, and more fully profit from both. Drop the ball on either one (or in the case of most authentic makers, both), you just create an opportunity for somebody else, even though you may have "created" that market.

As for the "right to send it to China", there's nothing "unethical" about selling a product you bought to somebody from China, unless you subscribe to an impossible and failed set of ethics that says the creator of a tangible good owns it even though he sold it on the open market. That dog don't hunt, that dog has never hunted.

In some cases though, I'm pretty sure the authentic makers don't care one whit...they sell all they make (and at a high profit margin), they deliberately target a boutique, upscale market, so they lose very few (if any) sales to Chinese knockoffs. There's no warehouse full of authentic Vapor Flasks languishing for want of customers, as an example. Usually, there's customers languishing for want of a Vapor Flask. Demand, and it wants an outlet. Then there's those that just aren't able (or willing) to pay $300 for a bit of aluminum, brass and silicon. Demand, and it wants an outlet.

Now where I draw the line is somebody trying to pass a clone off as an authentic. Everyone in this thread knows that what Focal, Fasttech and 3Fvape are selling are knockoff Flasks. But Joe Consumer at the local Rape and Mortar paying $300 for a $50 clone thinking it's the real deal, that's fraud.

But this is why the patent system exists. To protect the original manufacturers IP. Take an example from the Smartphone market. Xiaomi will not sell their products in the US because Apple will rip them to pieces if they try. MIUI is a blatant iOS copy and it would not fly here. Case in point, Apple suing Samsung and winning over the early Galaxy line being a copy or very close to the look of an iPhone in both design and software modifications they did to Android to make it look like iOS.

Selling them in China is one thing, bringing it to the US and selling it as a copycat is a whole different ball game. Authentic makers do care. Hana just sued a company and won ($300k I believe) and threatens to sue anyone selling Hana clones in B&Ms. Especially if they have the Hana logo on it.

I know VF is patent pending though so they may not be covered. And I agree, if a B&M is selling a fake/clone as authentic, they should lose their business license.

Sorry for being off topic :)
 

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That is a true heartbreaker! So it appears that Summer did indeed tell the truth when he told me they developed their own chip from scratch because the KX-40Ds would have been too expensive to include (since they used patented Evolv Technology).

I had such high hopes for this after Gina from 3FVape email to me on 3/12/15:



That said, it does sound like a connectivity/bad connection issue from the symptoms you describe, maybe not in your atty if it tests out ok on another TP mod, but a bad soldier joint in the unit might account for it.
Again very sorry to hear of your issues & hope you will share your experience with 3FVape's resolution of your issues.
This was my thoughts as soon as I read the posts re the 'chip' being faulty. I recently bought a 'broken' Zero mod when Nikki was selling stuff at VU, it was nothing more than a wire that connected the button board to the main board shorting on an adjacent pad. Rerouting the wire solved all probs and I'm vaping w/it as I type. The catch-22 is, if you remove the cover and break the seals to inspect it you may lose warranty rights.
 

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The Sunlay VF V3 with SS from 3f vape is garbage. Had mine for 2 days wont read res. correctly. Constantly reading too low ohms on 2 different sub tank ni 200 prebuilt coils at .03 when they read the correct .15 on my VS. After many previously consistent ni builds Failing on this I am def regretting the purchase. Sending back for refund.

Great! Sounds like I'm waiting for a paper weight to get through customs then! Crap on a stick!
 

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    The Sunlay VF V3 with SS from 3f vape is garbage. Had mine for 2 days wont read res. correctly. Constantly reading too low ohms on 2 different sub tank ni 200 prebuilt coils at .03 when they read the correct .15 on my VS. After many previously consistent ni builds Failing on this I am def regretting the purchase. Sending back for refund.


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    That sucks....

    I did have the Sunlay/waidea one on order from focal, as was the only black flask with usb charging at the time, but 2 days later they got the kangxin in and I swapped out my order for the kangxin, really glad I did now.
     

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    Great! Sounds like I'm waiting for a paper weight to get through customs then! Crap on a stick!

    Chin up, I have one waiting to clear also, left China last Wednesday express option from 3FVape, hopefully the one reported issue is just that, 1 reported issue and nothing more.

    I'm hoping that the issue is just a 1 off, but if not I will be a little disappointed, hopefully 3FVape has a good return policy if it does not perform as advertized.
     

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    Just received notice my package from Focalecig was processed thru the San Francisco USPS facility today.

    Ordered on March 9, was notified on March 17 they were out of stock on the blue one I ordered, told them to sub a Black one instead.
    They notified me on March 18 unit was in processing, notified me on March 19 it was processed to Shenzhen shipping facility.

    So I should have it by mid-weed or so!
     

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    Just received notice my package from Focalecig was processed thru the San Francisco USPS facility today.

    Ordered on March 9, was notified on March 17 they were out of stock on the blue one I ordered, told them to sub a Black one instead.
    They notified me on March 18 unit was in processing, notified me on March 19 it was processed to Shenzhen shipping facility.

    So I should have it by mid-weed or so!

    Then it has already (prior to SF USPS) passed through ICS san Francisco ICS (customs) expect it by Tuesday. Maybe Monday depending on your location.
     
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    Nope, you read me right. Once it's out in the wild, it's out of the maker's control. What they DO have a lot of control over though, is the availability of the original, and the price of the original. Make it available and affordable, you increase supply and demand, and more fully profit from both. Drop the ball on either one (or in the case of most authentic makers, both), you just create an opportunity for somebody else, even though you may have "created" that market.

    As for the "right to send it to China", there's nothing "unethical" about selling a product you bought to somebody from China, unless you subscribe to an impossible and failed set of ethics that says the creator of a tangible good owns it even though he sold it on the open market. That dog don't hunt, that dog has never hunted.

    In some cases though, I'm pretty sure the authentic makers don't care one whit...they sell all they make (and at a high profit margin), they deliberately target a boutique, upscale market, so they lose very few (if any) sales to Chinese knockoffs. There's no warehouse full of authentic Vapor Flasks languishing for want of customers, as an example. Usually, there's customers languishing for want of a Vapor Flask. Demand, and it wants an outlet. Then there's those that just aren't able (or willing) to pay $300 for a bit of aluminum, brass and silicon. Demand, and it wants an outlet.

    Now where I draw the line is somebody trying to pass a clone off as an authentic. Everyone in this thread knows that what Focal, Fasttech and 3Fvape are selling are knockoff Flasks. But Joe Consumer at the local Rape and Mortar paying $300 for a $50 clone thinking it's the real deal, that's fraud.

    At the risk of pissing off the OP, I gotta say that I think there is some inconsistency here. On one hand you are supporting consumers enabling cloners and but then you draw the line when a B&M misrepresents a product. Salesman misrepresent, inflate, gouge, etc., in all sorts of industries like the auto, music, technology, food, and the list goes on. Dare I call this capitalism. Sellers will charge what people will pay. I say, don't punish the B&Ms if they have customers who don't educate themselves on a product or service. Don't get me wrong, I would hate it if I got charged a ridiculous amount for a clone. But if it is a true 1:1, and performs the same or better, I wouldn't know or care. If I can pay that much, and I get what I expect, then winner winner chicken dinner! It just seems you support free market capitalism on one hand but theres exceptions. Not trying to make this political or start a fight. Just stating my opinion. Sorry if this getting off topic, but in my crazy head, we're talking clones, which is one of the words in the thread title. I'm sure I'm gonna regret drinking and posting in the morning (shout out to Tpat lol). Not a crucifixion, so please don't crucify the noob.
     

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    At the risk of pissing off the OP, I gotta say that I think there is some inconsistency here. On one hand you are supporting consumers enabling cloners and but then you draw the line when a B&M misrepresents a product. Salesman misrepresent, inflate, gouge, etc., in all sorts of industries like the auto, music, technology, food, and the list goes on. Dare I call this capitalism. Sellers will charge what people will pay. I say, don't punish the B&Ms if they have customers who don't educate themselves on a product or service. Don't get me wrong, I would hate it if I got charged a ridiculous amount for a clone. But if it is a true 1:1, and performs the same or better, I wouldn't know or care. If I can pay that much, and I get what I expect, then winner winner chicken dinner! It just seems you support free market capitalism on one hand but theres exceptions. Not trying to make this political or start a fight. Just stating my opinion. Sorry if this getting off topic, but in my crazy head, we're talking clones, which is one of the words in the thread title. I'm sure I'm gonna regret drinking and posting in the morning (shout out to Tpat lol). Not a crucifixion, so please don't crucify the noob.

    There is a big difference between selling a clone at inflated prices and selling a clone under the guise of it being authentic.

    I would be rather annoyed if I went to a B&M and they sold me a clone VF for $300 under the guise of it being an authentic.

    1:1 does not mean the same quality steel and workmanship has gone into the product, it just means it is an exact 1:1 copy dimension wise and looks wise, the quality of materials used can be way sub par to what the original has, grade of steel, wiring workmanship, etc.....
     

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    There is a big difference between selling a clone at inflated prices and selling a clone under the guise of it being authentic.

    I would be rather annoyed if I went to a B&M and they sold me a clone VF for $300 under the guise of it being an authentic.

    1:1 does not mean the same quality steel and workmanship has gone into the product, it just means it is an exact 1:1 copy dimension wise and looks wise, the quality of materials used can be way sub par to what the original has, grade of steel, wiring workmanship, etc.....
    How do you figure that? To most, 1:1 means an exact copy. Not exact copy except substituting *whatever*.
     
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