Vapor Flask V3 DNA40 Clone thread

[subby]

How do you figure that? To most, 1:1 means an exact copy. Not exact copy except substituting *whatever*.

Yeah, 1:1 does not mean "exact" copy, it means the dimensions and function is 1:1. Materials used can differ a lot, especially when it comes to wiring workmanship, chips used, steel grade etc etc... I don't need to go on, these things are made on the cheap to look exact, why do you think they can knock them out so cheaply?

 

[cobalt327]

That's your OPINION of what 1:1 means. The rest is ignoratio elenchi.

 

[a tez]

I always thought 1:1 meant "equal" to each other...

 

[subby]

That's your OPINION of what 1:1 means. The rest is ignoratio elenchi.

The original VF I believe is CnC'd from 1 piece of top grade aluminum billet, I do not think the Chinese cloners would be sourcing top grade steel/alloys/aluminum for their products.

 

[a tez]

The original VF I believe is CnC'd from 1 piece of top grade aluminum billet, I do not think the Chinese cloners would be sourcing top grade steel/alloys/aluminum for their products.

It is. One solid block of 6061 aluminum. Supposedly it takes over an hour and a half to machine each one.

 

[HDMontana]

I hate this back and forth on the SS 510 flask. I ordered the Kangxin black 1660 but really wanted the SS Sunlay one to be good. Finally ordered the Kangxin after a couple of bad feedbacks on the newer SS 510 version. Then I read that maybe it's ok. Then I read another bad review. I hope I did the right thing by getting the Kangxin. This will be my first TP mod. I have a ipv4 on preorder, but who knows when they will finally release that one. Supposedly the first part of April. Fingers crossed and hoping for a good flask.

HD

 

[cobalt327]

I always thought 1:1 meant "equal" to each other...

1:1 is a ratio. In this context to me it means that the two items are for all intents and purposes identical to each other. Not close to identical, or identical except for *fill in the blank*.

 

[cobalt327]

I hate this back and forth on the SS 510 flask. I ordered the Kangxin black 1660 but really wanted the SS Sunlay one to be good. Finally ordered the Kangxin after a couple of bad feedbacks on the newer SS 510 version. Then I read that maybe it's ok. Then I read another bad review. I hope I did the right thing by getting the Kangxin. This will be my first TP mod. I have a ipv4 on preorder, but who knows when they will finally release that one. Supposedly the first part of April. Fingers crossed and hoping for a good flask.

HD

You got that right, but I am grateful to all the folks who've reported what they've found. All in all, I'm just going to sit back and wait until there's a unit available that's has been shown to be okay over a large run.

 

[a tez]

1:1 is a ratio. In this context to me it means that the two items are for all intents and purposes identical to each other. Not close to identical, or identical except for *fill in the blank*.

Then identical would mean made from the same materials as well. Are they?

I have seen one clone in person (don't know which), but it didn't look or feel as high end as the authentic I own. Just my opinion though.

 

[subby]

Then identical would mean made from the same materials as well. Are they?

I have seen one clone in person (don't know which), but it didn't look or feel as high end as the authentic I own. Just my opinion though.

Identical would usually imply that yes, which is rarely the case when it comes to 1:1 clones. I have seen a few 1:1 clones marketed as OEM or ODM which means they are made from the same materials, usually in the same factory as the production stock but sold on the side [illegal in most places except you can get away with it in China] for a much cheaper price.

Fasttech currently have an Aqua v2 OTM [ODM?] [ https://www.fasttech.com/products/1980900 ] on their site which is identical in every way to the original Aqua v2 apparently. Right down to materials used. The original materials used shows in the cost of the Aqua v2, over double the price of the other models they have listed also.

 

[cobalt327]

In the vaping community quite a bit of license is being taken calling most attys, mods, etc. "clones"- which in the strictest sense is also misused in many cases. But at least "clone" is understood to mean a knock-off that might differ from the original. IMO a better term would be "replica". But when the differentiation of "1:1" is made, to me that designates an exact copy. Otherwise why not just call it a clone and be done w/it.

 

[subby]

In the vaping community quite a bit of license is being taken calling most attys, mods, etc. "clones"- which in the strictest sense is also misused in many cases. But at least "clone" is understood to mean a knock-off that might differ from the original. IMO a better term would be "replica". But when the differentiation of "1:1" is made, to me that designates an exact copy. Otherwise why not just call it a clone and be done w/it.

They call it a 1:1 so you know design and dimension wise it is identical in every way to the original, so it should perform the same. But that does not mean the same grade of material is used or care taken making it, drilling post holes etc, I feel like a broken record now.

 

[lipadj46]

I would say something like the old cloupor "cana"" mod would be a good example of what a 1:1 mod is, nearly an exact copy save for the logo. We are not there yet with the vapor flask. I would say right now if someone now wants a DNA40 "clone" they should get an HCigar DNA40.

 

[cobalt327]

They call it a 1:1 so you know design and dimension wise it is identical in every way to the original, so it should perform the same. But that does not mean the same grade of material is used or care taken making it, drilling post holes etc, I feel like a broken record now.

That's your OPINION! Otherwise, cite documentation.

 

[AnsonJames]

cloning= fraud?

It's fraud if it's being sold as authentic at the same price point as the original - it's purely counterfeit at that stage.
If it's being sold as a clone for a third of the price then there's no fraud involved - if there's no patent on the device then it's not even illegal.

 

[AnsonJames]

The original VF I believe is CnC'd from 1 piece of top grade aluminum billet, I do not think the Chinese cloners would be sourcing top grade steel/alloys/aluminum for their products.

Without being a metallurgist I can't testify as to the quality of the materials used, but I've had clones that have been better quality as far as fit and finish than the devices they're copied from.

Each generation of of clones appears to be improving too.

 

[AnsonJames]

I would say something like the old cloupor "cana"" mod would be a good example of what a 1:1 mod is, nearly an exact copy save for the logo. We are not there yet with the vapor flask. I would say right now if someone now wants a DNA40 "clone" they should get an HCigar DNA40.

It's not a clone per say, even though it looks a lot like the Hana box - real Evolv 40 inside it too.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

hate to be a pedant but a clone, by definition, is (genetically) identical! They aren't clones really, just copies - some good, some bad...just my $0.02..

 

[Tpat591]

Has there ever been a clone thread on ECF that did not carry this same argument Ad nauseam?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Seems like my optimism about delivery was misplaced. No update for 4 days after 'Beijing left' on tracking site. Might get it by xmas...