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[Scottbee]

If you're going to make a batch of Kool-Aid.. make it a big batch. It appears that many people willingly drink without giving it a second thought.

If Steve has ANY kind of exclusive deal with the KR factory (besides the badge), let him come on here and say it.

If it is true, then it will stand. If it is a lie, he will be called on it by the other distributors and importers. Nuff said.

Frankly, almost all of this "different wiring, different circuitry, different liquid, different filler...." stuff comes from end users who don't know a damn thing about what can and can't be ordered from the factory, or what changes the factory makes (for all buyers) as a normal part of the product revision process.

 

[Snarkyone]

I think your pimping for the site just a bit too hard. The extra long batteries are available elsewhere, as are the manual batteries and the juices are the same. I have tasted them side by side and you can't tell me that one is any better than the other, it's just not true.

As for the V4L model of cartomizer battery I can't say, with the V4L plastered all over it like that I didn't order one from them. That just looked weak and or lame to me and I could not get past it.

Bottom line is that at this point in the technology of E-Cigs we are in the Model T days and there is no perfect model yet. The cartomizers are the top of the line of E-Cigs though of that I have no doubt, they are clearly superior to the 3 piece models in every way shape and form. I can't imagine why anyone would want a 3 piece unit once they tried a KR808D-1, or GreenCig. I think that no matter if you get your KR808D-1 from Nhaler.com, Vapor4life.com or Vaporkings.com you are still getting one of the best cartomizers on the market. The 510 fans can keep their harsh hitting mess makers, I will keep my GreenCig cartomizer and enjoy all day vaping with a single cart instead of topping, filling, dripping, all day long with the 510, 901, or m401. As I said before, no matter where you get your cartomizer as long as you have one that's the main thing.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

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Never Mind its all been said... I am jumping out of the circle....

 

[YukonBob]

I recently purchased carts from V4L ,Cigeasy and Nhaler. The Cigeasy carts will not draw any air using anything but their KR808D-1 batts but the other 2 (V4L and nhaler carts) work on all my KR808D-1 batts. Anybody else have this problem?


I just stumbled upon a warning on Mist-stix.com:
"It has come to our attention that our current cartridges do not work with the "short" batteries from some other suppliers of this type model e-cig. While they will thread on , there will be no air flow.
We have been working with the manufacturer to provide a cartridge that works on both long and short, and these will be available in about a week. In the meantime, be advised we can only guarantee our cartridges will work with the longer version batteries of the KR808D-1 with the "groove" across the center post of the battery connection."

 

[Scottbee]

Look for a thing called "the staple mod". That will probably solve your cartomizer-battery issue.

 

[Snarkyone]

Yeah, what the problem is that your not getting enough air flow and putting that staple in there will create a little gap that solves that issue a bit.

 

[YukonBob]

Look for a thing called "the staple mod". That will probably solve your cartomizer-battery issue.

I don't think it's an electrical issue; there's just no airflow. I notice the battery on the V4L VK has no little notch in it where it makes contact, although their pass-through has it. I guess the V4L extra long batteries are just not compatible with all my carts but I can live with that.

Really nice battery though. I vaped quite a bit at work and I think I changed it after about 7 hours. Although I am not sitting around with it stuck to my face like when I am at home on the computer catching up on my shows on Hulu.

 

[YukonBob]

Yeah, what the problem is that your not getting enough air flow and putting that staple in there will create a little gap that solves that issue a bit.

OK I get it now! Thanks.

 

[cluster]

The cartomizers are the top of the line of E-Cigs though of that I have no doubt, they are clearly superior to the 3 piece models in every way shape and form. I can't imagine why anyone would want a 3 piece unit once they tried a KR808D-1, or GreenCig.

I wonder if you have a solid point or are trying to overhype the product you like the most, potentially leading people to lose money on a product they may not appreciate as much as you imply they all will:

1) do cartomizers produce a harsher vapor and more of it than all other non-mod e-cigs ? --something many people, and I, look for.

2) do they cost less than someone using 1 atomizer (6$) and 60 ml ejuice (20$) a month? -- and one atomizer a month is maybe a bit much.. one every two month could be a correct estimation. But i won't argue for a 6$ / 2 months difference, and therefore I use the higher price estimate.

3) how much costs 60ml ejuice in cartomizer form, exactly? -- considering, maybe, three refills per cartomizer, given what users seem to say about how they use them.

4) is all that ejuice in cartomizers always used up when the cartomizer is discarded, or is there some loss ? -- in which case the loss should be factored in the price estimation of 60ml ejuice, because if using a 3 part ecig and 2 refillable cartridges a week, ejuice loss is almost non existent, especially if you take time to retrieve the juice from those 2 carts. Retrieving juice from dozens cartomizers instead of two carts a week is to be considered an inconvenience too large and yucky to deal with.

 

[wmf]

Boy, all this harping and carping. Me, I am a very satisfied user of the Vapor 4 Life products. Have I tried a million others? Nope, I consider myself extremely fortunate that a co-worker went down that path before me. After spending a ridiculous amount of money on many of the products out there, he recommended the Vapor 4 Life products.

I will cheerfully admit I have no frame of reference of every else that is out there. I just know that after a little over a week of vaping after a 40+ year, 2+ pack a day habit, I have found that the Vapor 4 Life products have allowed me to not to even desire an analog.

I have also discovered the fun of trying the many unique flavor carts they offer. Who would of thought that I would love vaping a flavor called Red Cow?

Vapor 4 Life's customer service and sales philosophy appeals to me, too. Their webstore is designed to only offer products that are in stock. If you order it, you will get it. Customer service? The same co-worker discovered that Vapor 4 Life is in the same metro area as we are (Chicago). When he was struggling because the product he was using did not offer the relief he needed to stay off analogs, one of the employees actually met him and hand delivered his order.

Every order I have placed shipped within 1 business day of receipt. I should also mention that every order I have received from Vapor 4 Life has included a free gift of a battery or other accessory.

A lot of this discussion has centered around how "unique" the Vapor 4 Life products are. What's the difference? I actually have heard from a reliable (though second hand) source that there are unique properties to both the Vapor 4 Life equipment and flavors. Doesn't matter.

If you are going to try this concept of e-cigarettes, I think you will be more than satisfied with Vapor 4 Life.

 

[Snarkyone]

Cluster,
I would not call the vapor harsh, they produce good tasty vapor with a good enough hit that this 32 yr Marlboro/Camel man has no complaints. As far as cost, the initial cost is slightly higher but still way less than tobacco cigarettes, if you could afford to smoke tobacco cigarettes you can easily afford the 2pc units. Contrary to noob belief, not an insult either I was once a noob myself, the cartomizer carts are refillable and in fact are easier and cleaner to refill than 3 pc units. The cost when refilling your own is comparable to the 3 pc models the difference being minimal and not worth arguing about, as I said if you can afford to smoke tobacco cigarettes you can easily afford these. As for the juice being "leftover" I have found that they wick up pretty much all the juice. The 510 or m401 that I have used leave more than the carts. The number of times you can refill them is not set in stone. Some people have had them last for over 10 refills so we can't really say anything definite so once again, not worth arguing about.

I have bought the m401, the 510, a mod for the 510, did all the little tricks. Then I looked back at my first choice of the KR808D-1 and got it. I was not disappointed. You can call me a shill all you want, I have been down the road many of you are traveling now, and I know the differences first hand not from word of mouth. I speak from experience and you throw "they say" at me and call me a shill? Did you bother to think that I don't want to see others waste $150 looking for something they can buy the first time around? If you want to play with your E-Cig modding it out to work decent, and all the other crap that goes with 3 piece units then more power to you, some people like to play with their toys. I am not one of those people, I spend the cash I expect it to work well. Taste is subjective, what I call harsh on the 510 many people call throat hit.

I would love to see a poll to see how many people bought a cartomizer first and then went to a 510, 901, m401 or some other model because they weren't happy with it, and a poll for how many of those 3pc owners went to the cartomizer because the 3pc models didn't cut it. I would be willing to bet that the numbers for the first question are pretty low compared to the second question. All in all it's subjective to individual taste. As for having someone read my advice and not be happy, I can live with it since they are also asking for opinions. I am not holding a gun to anyone's head and saying buy it or else, I relate my experience and my point of view they can take it or leave it.

 

[cluster]

Thanks for the exhaustive answer. That said refilling a cartomizer seem counter intuitive, and from the vids it does not look easier than refilling a refillable cart. Of course, refilling it as much as one would do with a refillable cartridge invalids the price question I had. And i do care for price very much, i was smoking cheap rollies and will not buy vaping products that would be more expensive than that. If in my country they are someday taxed into oblivion like analogs are, i will buy them online from foreign resellers.

But why not, i guess the best thing will be to try it by myself, though i don't like throwing money in the wind -- thus my questions. Still, I care very much for the harshness/throat hit, and keep my battery fully charged at all times just for having that best hit.

So I'm not sure it would be the product for me. Bottom line, i think that cartomizers may not be the best vaping device for everyone like you affirm. But i don't say they can't be good for a lot of people.

 

[Cimyss]

If you are looking to stop smoking or replace it because of cost the KR808d-1 VK or vaporking does in fact save you money! ( these are based on V4L prices because thats what I buy but I am sure other companies are compairable)
I smoked over 2 packs a day Camels ( so yes a relitively high amount) but switched to compairable genericas to save money so my generics cost me 3.33 a pack I vape apx 1 carto a day 12.50 for 5 cartos comes out to 2.50 that right there is a savings of 4.16 a day of course you can save even more if you refill with juice which is 3.50 for a 5 ml bottle
I get 5 refills from this bottle ( yes some people get less or more ) the math on that is about .70 per carto to refill and so a savings of 5.96 a day ( of course the more you refill the cartos the less they last and some people have been able to refill up to 10 times! with saving like those the battery pretty much pays for itself very quickly even if you get the really big kit to start out with!
These are my own personal savings not everyone will have the same amount depending on how much you vape , nic strength, if you smoked high priced cigarettes or what not!

Personally I spend the same amount weekly that I spent on smoking ( this includes shipping) and I have been abel to amass a nice horde of products incase I would have a problem recieving my vaping supplies due to bann or customes problems!
For 37.10 ( includes taxes and shipping ) I get 6 5 ml bottle of juice and 1 box of cartos weekly! so roughly enough for me to vape for 35 days for what I used to pay for 1 carton of cigarettes!

 

[skydragon]

At the beginning of this thread a poster said they got a good throat hit with the VK. When everyone talks about "throat hit" I assume they mean a rather harsh hit? I don't really like a harsh throat hit but would like alot of vapor. Can I have one without the other? Thanks.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

At the beginning of this thread a poster said they got a good throat hit with the VK. When everyone talks about "throat hit" I assume they mean a rather harsh hit? I don't really like a harsh throat hit but would like alot of vapor. Can I have one without the other? Thanks.

Well it doesn't mean harsh necessarily throat hit is comparing to smoking an analog....of course some throat hit can be too much for some people...sso to answer your question lower nic levels have lower throat hits 0mg has next to none anywhere around 16mg is smooth IMO

it really up to what satisifies your nic needs 24mg and higher is really for heavier smokers and MAY be harsh but you have to try it first....

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[Snarkyone]

The throat hit often gets confused with harshness, especially on the 510 model which I think is the most overrated E-Cig of them all. The cartos usually produce superior taste and a nice warm vapor. I have found them to be smoother than the 3pc models at least to my taste.

It's true that when you refill the cartos you save money and the difference is really minimal between 3pc and 2pc models when you take into account the cost of replacing atomizers every month or so it evens out pretty close. It's a common misconception that cartomizers are much more expensive than 3pc and it's simply not true, the difference is small. I wish I had gone with my gut and bought the cartomizer model first but I didn't believe the claims on some of the site concerning cart life. After experiencing the KR808D-1 and then the GreenCig, I have found the best in my opinion. I wish I had gotten it first like I said it would have saved me at least $150 on kits and parts.

Oh and sure each model has it's devoted followers and each model fills a niche, the cartomizers are a good choice for people that work since they don't have to mess around with filling the cart all day or swapping it out, they can go the whole day on one cart really. I know if I was in a office or working still I would definitely want a cartomizer to use at work or on the road than a 3pc. I feel that the 3pc models are best suited to mods really. You put the 510 on a HV mod and it's a much better unit producing better flavors.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

The throat hit often gets confused with harshness, especially on the 510 model which I think is the most overrated E-Cig of them all. The cartos usually produce superior taste and a nice warm vapor. I have found them to be smoother than the 3pc models at least to my taste.

It's true that when you refill the cartos you save money and the difference is really minimal between 3pc and 2pc models when you take into account the cost of replacing atomizers every month or so it evens out pretty close. It's a common misconception that cartomizers are much more expensive than 3pc and it's simply not true, the difference is small. I wish I had gone with my gut and bought the cartomizer model first but I didn't believe the claims on some of the site concerning cart life. After experiencing the KR808D-1 and then the GreenCig, I have found the best in my opinion. I wish I had gotten it first like I said it would have saved me at least $150 on kits and parts.

I know what you mean....But my first experience was with the cartomizers..they were great, but I had to find out what the hype was about with the other atties...that and I always like to be informed....
I don't mind the other atties,but I always end up back to the cartomizers and I refill them alot...a cart lasts long for me (since I never let them dry out) I have an adaptor to use my kr808 on all of my PV's (I should say 2 pvs and 1 ecig batt )

I still use the others for different occations because I like to drip,,,,but again the cartomizers are my prime picks

 

[Snarkyone]

I knew there was something about you that I liked....We did the same thing but backwards I guess. I went from 3pc to 2pc and you started with a 2pc and tried the 3pc. It's not that I mind the 3pc units, I love the taste my Dragon gives and the hit is nice as well. I used that to initially quit smoking. I then saw all the hype over the 510 and of course my feelings on those are well known if you ever read a post from me about it. I then got a magnum mod for the 510 which is nice, but it is still a 510. After that it was the KR then the GC and the GC is by far my favorite. I only had a working KR for a day and I did like it, I would still have it if I didn't get either 2 bad batteries in a row or one bad battery and one bad PCC, I don't know but I switched to the GC at that point and have not looked back.

 

[JenJen]

At the beginning of this thread a poster said they got a good throat hit with the VK. When everyone talks about "throat hit" I assume they mean a rather harsh hit? I don't really like a harsh throat hit but would like alot of vapor. Can I have one without the other? Thanks.

One of the nice things about V4L is the variety in strengths. Most of the vendors out there sell the 16 or 24. At V4L they come in 0, 6 or 8, 11, 16 or 18, 24, 36. During the day, I want a throat hit and nic so I vape the 16s. At night when I am vaping more, I go down to the 6 or 0. At that strength, most of the flavors have little to no throat hit, just a nice warm flavor with enough vapor to make me happy.

I came from a penstyle, and then the 510. The HUGE difference with my VK is that if I refill the carto, (which takes all of 2 minutes if I rinse it first) it lasts several hours. As opposed to topping off carts and dripping on the atty pretty much all the time to get any flavor or throat hit.

For people who just want to screw it on and go - the 2 piece units can't be beat. If you don't mind dripping and topping off all day long and carrying around all the paraphinalia, then the 3 piece units are fine.

 

[skydragon]

Thank you for the replies. I smoke Marlboro Reds so I know a lot of people who feel they are harsh compared to what they smoke. I was just a little worried after watching some of the video reviews where some of the reviewers where darn near choking and their eyes were watering but calling it a "good" throat hit. That I don't want. So I wouldn't get that from a VK or any other KR808?