Vet Juice Mixers - PG/VG Ratio Question

[Hoosier]

Question for anyone who has about 100 batches and/or 12 great recipes under your belts.

Is the final PG/VG ratio a critical concern?

I understand reasoning for going 100% either way, but I seem to notice that newbies seem to be fixated on a specific PG/VG ratio lately. I have never noticed it being as big a deal as it seems to have become. My mixes are mostly PG and usually have some VG in them. The final ratio is not critical in any of my recipes. I basically term it, little bit, some, or a bunch in my head. I always have a little VG in a mix. Sometimes "some" more helps and sometimes "a bunch" is thrown in to help trim an edge in the taste.

Is the final PG/VG ratio something other vets consider important? Any idea why this seems like a recent serious concern to newbies? Do people enjoy fretting over these types of details?

Any thoughts on this would probably help me enlighten myself on this subject so please chime in.

 

[ErikaG]

It isn't a concern to me because it doesn't seem to affect my mod tank at all either way. My personal preference is mostly vg so i use a pg nic liquid and 0 nic vg. I don't pay any attention to percentages and don't care.

 

[ErikaG]

Ps. I think it matters more if you are using cartos because they can get gunked up with too much vg.

 

[Hoosier]

Ps. I think it matters more if you are using cartos because they can get gunked up with too much vg.

Actually the ones that I have read where newbies seem supremely concerned about the final ratio are in the 40/60, 50/50, and 60/40 area. Not the kind of mix most would rin through a carto.

(Of course I'm going from my poor memory, but I recall that they were thicker ratios.)

 

[Liv2Ski]

Hoosier - I do not stress over PG/Vg %. I do like 80/20 but being dead on is a futile point. What I do though is mix 250mls of base liquid at around 78/32 at 12mg/ml. I draw off this base and make my juices which vary in flavor from 5% to 15%. So as you can see may target 80/20 could be high or low depending on flavor ratio (along w/nic content). I believe the fixation from noobs comes from simply seeing 70/30, 80/20 etc and taking that as gospel and not a target like it is most likely intended to be. Hope that helps

 

[Switched]

I was a PG vaper and have mixed from the early beginning. PG in itself did not provide enough vapour, so I tried varied concentration up to 35% and settle on 20%. Because at the time I was using the HighPing mods with carts, 80/20 was the perfect ratio. So I tailored my recipes to that.

I became sensitive to PG and had to go to 100% VG, not by choice mind you. Most of my recipes are still valid with the odd one requiring a boost of 1% more flavouring and one 2% more flavouring. I found the vape more rounded and wet compared to the accutomed "dryness" of PG.

I dilute all VG by 20% with distilled water and my nic VG by 10% (100mg nic). I can now vape all my juices with the exception of on (Levy RY4) in any carto or atty.

To answer your question, I believe since vendors started to label their ratios, folks simply got hung up on the numbers. Wrt VG fouling atties, I believe it is more what's in the liquid than VG itself that fouls atties. Cartos well that's a whole different kettle of fish. However, undiluted VG is an atty killer in my experience and opinion.

 

[ukeman]

I wondered why some vendors juice labeled mostly VG, would turn watery... now if they do what Switched says, dilute VG with distilled water or something, maybe that's it...

(it may just be that some vendors have large holes in the drip spout to make up for thickness of VG... lol)

Anyway, seems the posters here are using the X/Y ratio as PG/VG... i think some (many) vendors are also using it the other way around... VG/PG...

So far what i've learned here on ECF, is that
- PG gives more flavor
- VG more vapor
-VG burns or gets harsh as the heat rises (lower resistance... higher voltage)

I usually order a higher VG than PG for more vapor.

 

[technomeek]

I usually stick to 80/20 PG/VG in my batch mixes but don't sweat it either. Anywhere in the ballpark is good enough.

 

[JC Okie]

I ballpark it. Actually, I eyeball it based on how "thick" it's looking.... Or, I use mostly VG, but I will swish out my funnel and syringe and stuff with a little PG and add it to the juice I'm making. Even my nic is ballparked a little. I pre-mix a big jug of 18mg nic juice. Then I add flavoring to an empty bottle, and add the 18mg nic juice. So I usually come up with something around the 15-16mg level. If I were selling juice, I'd be accurate and keep accurate records. Since it's just for me, I wing it. I also tweek it as I go by adding a few drops of flavoring or sweetener or VG or whatever I feel might help.

 

[Hoosier]

That's what I thought.

I've been keeping bottles of no-nic PG/VG at different ratios. Three bottles with 3 different ratios, but I'm not real precise even when I make those.

The final ratio has always been a vague target, nothing to obsess about. I may get worked up over accuaracy over nic and flavoring, but cannot see spending a moment of time figuring out the final ratio of PG/VG.

Does anyone think vendors are completely accurate in the ratios, or just rounding and saying "close enough"?

 

[5vz]

Hoosier;

Like you, I don't go crazy over exact in PG/VG. It gets there and it works, lol.

Vendors being exact, I don't know, but I don't think so since each time you purchase the same juice it is different in viscosity, vapor production and TH. (At least that has happened to me.)

 

[Hoosier]

Since I haven't purchased juice in over 6 months, I don't know what vendors do now.

(My mixes are better than anything I ever bought)

 

[~Shado~]

I also keep a few bottles of premixed base...80/20, 70/30, 60/40...and just pull from them depending on what I am using them for.

I do prefer a higher VG content though when I drip as it seems I can get a few more toots from each session.

I dont worry too much about final ratios, as in my experiments in the past....it only appears noticeable in increments above 5%, anything less cant really tell the difference.

As far as venders...one I would think they too operate from a base ratio that is accurate in the base itself...but when mixing juices itself...I dont think they are real concerned. Accurately measuring each order to exact ratios calculated with flavorings would increase time too much for them to bother.
Just my opinion of course.

 

[Quix]

Hoosier!

first, glad to have a chance to thank you for all your fine, helpful posts and gentle wit in this DIY area.

about the only thing i might add to this topic is that i *am* a tad ana... er, energetic about the exactness of the PG/VG ratio since my main goal over the past 5 months is to mix juices with top performance throat hit. both flavor and vapor are a pale second for me and so use a 90/10 ratio (and low flavor percentages). 10% VG to allow for a hint of vapor only and keep the leaking at bay, and 90% PG to allow for that elusive TH to work its jazz.

 

[pico]

I think the exact number is pretty hard to get scientifically correct. If that's your thing. Flavorings contain... flavors that are neither. Some contain VG, some PG, some water. Unless you do some very detailed analysis, I think the final ratio will vary +-10% or so.

Best formula: If it tastes good, repeat.