Vinegar?

[kenetix]

I'm kind of thinking at the level of either that we are using that it really doesn't matter which one we use except based on personal taste/preference. But the end result is raising the acidity of the juice to promote the flavor.

 

[kenetix]

not sure I recall seeing this posted yet

The strength of vinegar is measured by the percent of acetic acid present in the product. All vinegar sold in the United States at the retail level should be at least 4% acidity as mandated by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA). Typical white distilled vinegar is at least 4% acidity and not more than 7%. Cider and wine vinegars are typically slightly more acidic with approximately 5-6% acidity.

 

[Fernand]

I have no idea what part of my Malic/PG is the culprit, but I can't recommend it. I'll try distilled vinegar, seems like the cleanest option.

As to PG, no matter how pure, it has a taste. You can get used to it, it's not outright rank. But everybody I know after switching to all VG for a few days, wouldn't dream of going back. A few drops of water/alcohol thins VG perfectly, the taste and the vapor are wonderful.

 

[micksf]

Ok, I know this is soooo a 100 posts ago but here's where I'm at. I added 1 drop of lemon to my fruits and 1 drop of ACV to my tobaccos (2 ML test bottles of FA @ low percentages, 70/30 no nic) and let them steep a week I do notice a bit of a flavor boost but more importantly, there is a overwhelming dryness/flatness to everything. Overall this new addition kind of ruins the benefits. did I do something wrong?

 

[Flying W]

I can't say how I found out, but some vendors use vinegar in their mixes. Some of the vendors are highly regarded on the ECF.

Now what I want to find out, is the vinegar a left over from the tobacco extraction process or actually used in the mix?

Well...I'm going to give it a try in the next few days.

What do you think? Apple cider vinegar?

A lot of us have come to the conclusion that our juices are missing something. Could this be it?

Pete

I sure would like to know more about this. Wonder what vendors?

 

[Jimi D.]

Ok, I know this is soooo a 100 posts ago but here's where I'm at. I added 1 drop of lemon to my fruits and 1 drop of ACV to my tobaccos (2 ML test bottles of FA @ low percentages, 70/30 no nic) and let them steep a week I do notice a bit of a flavor boost but more importantly, there is a overwhelming dryness/flatness to everything. Overall this new addition kind of ruins the benefits. did I do something wrong?

That's what happened to myself.. It was smooth, rather too smooth. It took away those sharp edges, and the bite. Then I vaped Black Fire without the vinegar for a few days. Went back and tried the Black Fire with the vinegar again, and tasted like pickled juice. I dumped 60ml. I only used 1 drop per 10ml. Not for me.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I have no idea what part of my Malic/PG is the culprit, but I can't recommend it. I'll try distilled vinegar, seems like the cleanest option.

As to PG, no matter how pure, it has a taste. You can get used to it, it's not outright rank. But everybody I know after switching to all VG for a few days, wouldn't dream of going back. A few drops of water/alcohol thins VG perfectly, the taste and the vapor are wonderful.

Fernand I'm interested in this. Two questions.

1) I've heard nic base isn't so stable/enduring in 100% VG. Thoughts on this?

2) what proportion of DW/PGA do you use to total VG?

thanks!

 

[JO GSA]

I have no idea what part of my Malic/PG is the culprit, but I can't recommend it. I'll try distilled vinegar, seems like the cleanest option.

As to PG, no matter how pure, it has a taste. You can get used to it, it's not outright rank. But everybody I know after switching to all VG for a few days, wouldn't dream of going back. A few drops of water/alcohol thins VG perfectly, the taste and the vapor are wonderful.

Fernand, I like the idea of vaping clean VG....how much alcohol or water do you use in your mixes, ans isent pure VG carto and atty killers???

Thanks

 

[AzPlumber]

Fernand I'm interested in this. Two questions.

1) I've heard nic base isn't so stable/enduring in 100% VG. Thoughts on this?

2) what proportion of DW/PGA do you use to total VG?

thanks!

I use all vg nic and have not had any issues. There is speculation that nic can become seperated in vg but it is just that, speculation. Most believe that if mixed properly it will stay suspended. If you are not sure give it a shake before using.

Thinning will depend on your equipment but I wouldn't use any more than 20% DW in pure VG or no more than 5% PGA. Some VG is already hydrated so be careful and start with a lower %. I find that flavoring alone will thin it enough for my equipment.

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

I have no idea what part of my Malic/PG is the culprit, but I can't recommend it. I'll try distilled vinegar, seems like the cleanest option.

As to PG, no matter how pure, it has a taste. You can get used to it, it's not outright rank. But everybody I know after switching to all VG for a few days, wouldn't dream of going back. A few drops of water/alcohol thins VG perfectly, the taste and the vapor are wonderful.

I'm jumping on the bandwagon (maybe you should start a new thread so we don't hijack the vinegar thread?). I would love to vape pure vg juice but the 'high concentration pockets of nic' in nic base thing scares me. I did get brave and order my last bottle 50/50 whereas before I always got my nic in 100% pg and used pure vg when mixing from there.

What's been your experience with this? Problems with pure vg nic base I mean...

 

[AzPlumber]

BnB, I have checked into the "hot spot" theory quite a bit. Seems that it is possible if the initial mixing was not complete. If the initial mixing was proper any settling or separating is highly unlikely. I have done numerous titration tests on the vg nic I get from MFS and have not found any evidence of hot spots, not even a warm spot .

 

[Cyrus Vap]

did get brave and order my last bottle 50/50 whereas before I always got my nic in 100% pg and used pure vg when mixing from there.

so did I! 50/50 is great so far. I use VG as the main additive besides the flavor, so my mixes have been ending up at about 80% or so I guess. But they are damn thick and take a while to distribute/wick. I'm going to start a new thread so as to not hijack if it hasn't been done already

 

[my4jewels]

So, let's say in strawberry cheesecake, would I use lemon juice for the strawberry and vinegar for the cheesecake. Of course the strawberry is fruity, and I'd consider the cheesecake to be a richer flavor. BTW, this juice is fine like it is, just wondering if I could make it better.

I get the lemon juice for fruits and light flavors. I'm just trying to figure if there's an appropriate application for vinegar in some of my mixes, since I don't vape tobacco juices.

I use 1-3 drops per ml of vinegar in custard/tobacco/rich type vapes. Start with 1...don't go over 3 unless you want to taste it.
I use lemon juice for fruits and lighter flavored mixes like cola. Same amount per ml. If it 'bothers' you in any way (physically, morally, psychologically, whatever..) don't use it

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

So, let's say in strawberry cheesecake, would I use lemon juice for the strawberry and vinegar for the cheesecake. Of course the strawberry is fruity, and I'd consider the cheesecake to be a richer flavor. BTW, this juice is fine like it is, just wondering if I could make it better.

I get the lemon juice for fruits and light flavors. I'm just trying to figure if there's an appropriate application for vinegar in some of my mixes, since I don't vape tobacco juices.

I can only reply as to what I would do, and that would depend. If I wanted the cheesecake to be dominate, I'd go vinegar, if I wanted to accentuate the strawberry, then lemon juice. I've been faced with that dillema myself

added: I should add...overall I find vinegar mellos and smooths (like MTS) and lemon juice makes it pop (like Tart and Sour). Hope that helps...

 

[my4jewels]

Thank you. I will try 2 small separate batches and see what works best.

I can only reply as to what I would do, and that would depend. If I wanted the cheesecake to be dominate, I'd go vinegar, if I wanted to accentuate the strawberry, then lemon juice. I've been faced with that dillema myself

added: I should add...overall I find vinegar mellos and smooths (like MTS) and lemon juice makes it pop (like Tart and Sour). Hope that helps...

 

[my4jewels]

I wonder if either of these would enhance my juice made from coffee extraction. Right now, I just add a little EM.

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

I wonder if either of these would enhance my juice made from coffee extraction. Right now, I just add a little EM.

Sorry..don't mean to hog the thread...
I don't add anything to my coffee extraction but a bit of chocolate now and then, but thinking about it...coffee is already pretty acidic right???

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

I wonder if either of these would enhance my juice made from coffee extraction. Right now, I just add a little EM.

Sorry..don't mean to hog the thread...
I don't add anything to my coffee extraction but a bit of chocolate now and then, but thinking about it...coffee is already pretty acidic right???

 

[Fernand]

Fernand I'm interested in this. Two questions.
1) I've heard nic base isn't so stable/enduring in 100% VG. Thoughts on this?
2) what proportion of DW/PGA do you use to total VG?

thanks!

Before I go see if another thread exists, allow me to answer this.
I have been vaping all VG for about a year, since I realized PG was causing me some problems, sleepiness/low energy being the most annoying. Then I realized that I didn't need to put up with it, nor the taste that I never cared for. It was a revelation.

Anyway, no, there is no problem with nicotine in VG. I have several bottles of 100 mg/ml nicotine in VG that are over a year old, that were kept at room temp in the original bottles, and it's as good as new. No, there aren't some mysterious pockets unless the solution isn't well stirred in the first place, same as a PG solution.

I use all VG, except for the small quantities of PG that comes with flavoring, but it's not a matter of being religious about anything, I could live with 10 or maybe even 20% PG, before it gets very noticeable, but why should I?

DIY example: I start out with an empty 10 ml bottle, put it on the scale, zero it out, then add the nicotine in VG, which weighs about 1.2 g per ml, so for typical (for me) 10 mg/ml strength, I pour in 1.2 grams of 100mg/ml nicotine (1 ml). Then fill the bottle half way with VG (I usually use Humco that they sell at CVS etc), and add the flavoring recipe, 2% of this, 1% of that, the total doesn't ever exceed 20 drops, which works out to about 5-6%. People who use 25% flavoring aren't vaping VG/PG any longer, and I think they're very very brave. Then I add 5 drops or 0.25 ml of water, and 5 drops (0.20 ml) of PGA or 151 proof liquor. Then finish pouring in the VG to the 10 ml line. Shake under hot water tap, that gets the steeping going. Let it sit overnight in a warm spot, and by morning it's good to go. It wicks plenty well enough for me, you can always add a little more water if you want thinner juice, that doesn't hurt a thing either.

No, it's not an atty killer. There's no sugar or coloring, if I want very sweet I add a drop of sucralose in PG. If I want more "dry", I use a drop or two of FA Bitter Wizard. I use small amounts of FA or PA flavoring. It tastes great, the vapor is great, the amounts of (possibly hazardous - we can't be sure) flavoring is at a minmum, no diacetyl, acetoin or acetylpropionyl. I feel great, no longer tired, no acid stomach, no dry mucous membranes. I'm very cautious about what I add to it, and I'm a very happy vaper, except that sometimes I can't find the door for all the vapor ;-)

Burning juice is a nightmare with some atties, and it's hazardous. Some flavorings can break down to nasty stuff, PG is rather heat-stable, but VG starts to break down over 180 deg celcius. Normally an atty doesn't even get close to that temp, but if it's burning juice with loose glowing wires etc, you will know right away, the more VG in the juice, the easier to tell, because acrolein is formed, and you can detect truly minute amounts as a nasty burned grease taste before there's serious danger. There have been measurements taken, and no acrolein was ever detected under normal vaping conditions from VG. But I know it when I taste it, you will too, and you just have to avoid defective atomizers.

Anyway, sorry to put this here, but I wanted to answer the questions. I assume someone will get a separate VG thread going. Thank you.

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

Before I go see if another thread exists, allow me to answer this.
I have been vaping all VG for about a year, since I realized PG was causing me some problems, sleepiness/low energy being the most annoying. Then I realized that I didn't need to put up with it, nor the taste that I never cared for. It was a revelation.

Anyway, no, there is no problem with nicotine in VG. I have several bottles of 100 mg/ml nicotine in VG that are over a year old, that were kept at room temp in the original bottles, and it's as good as new. No, there aren't some mysterious pockets unless the solution isn't well stirred in the first place, same as a PG solution.

I use all VG, except for the small quantities of PG that comes with flavoring, but it's not a matter of being religious about anything, I could live with 10 or maybe even 20% PG, before it gets very noticeable, but why should I?

DIY example: I start out with an empty 10 ml bottle, put it on the scale, zero it out, then add the nicotine in VG, which weighs about 1.2 g per ml, so for typical (for me) 10 mg/ml strength, I pour in 1.2 grams of 100mg/ml nicotine (1 ml). Then fill the bottle half way with VG (I usually use Humco that they sell at CVS etc), and add the flavoring recipe, 2% of this, 1% of that, the total doesn't ever exceed 20 drops, which works out to about 5-6%. People who use 25% flavoring aren't vaping VG/PG any longer, and I think they're very very brave. Then I add 5 drops or 0.25 ml of water, and 5 drops (0.20 ml) of PGA or 151 proof liquor. Then finish pouring in the VG to the 10 ml line. Shake under hot water tap, that gets the steeping going. Let it sit overnight in a warm spot, and by morning it's good to go. It wicks plenty well enough for me, you can always add a little more water if you want thinner juice, that doesn't hurt a thing either.

No, it's not an atty killer. There's no sugar or coloring, if I want very sweet I add a drop of sucralose in PG. If I want more "dry", I use a drop or two of FA Bitter Wizard. I use small amounts of FA or PA flavoring. It tastes great, the vapor is great, the amounts of (possibly hazardous - we can't be sure) flavoring is at a minmum, no diacetyl, acetoin or acetylpropionyl. I feel great, no longer tired, no acid stomach, no dry mucous membranes. I'm very cautious about what I add to it, and I'm a very happy vaper, except that sometimes I can't find the door for all the vapor ;-)

Burning juice is a nightmare with some atties, and it's hazardous. Some flavorings can break down to nasty stuff, PG is rather heat-stable, but VG starts to break down over 180 deg celcius. Normally an atty doesn't even get close to that temp, but if it's burning juice with loose glowing wires etc, you will know right away, the more VG in the juice, the easier to tell, because acrolein is formed, and you can detect truly minute amounts as a nasty burned grease taste before there's serious danger. There have been measurements taken, and no acrolein was ever detected under normal vaping conditions from VG. But I know it when I taste it, you will too, and you just have to avoid defective atomizers.

Anyway, sorry to put this here, but I wanted to answer the questions. I assume someone will get a separate VG thread going. Thank you.

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