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welcome vak:)

dna is out of control at least 30 degrees already, even with nickel. Imagine the difference if users use titanium on it. So titanium is more than enough to kick the dna much far out of temperature protection. And the reason is not that its a bad construction. Its because the connections on mods-atomizers doesnt allow any electronic to be accurate on so small resistances like on nickel.

I know already why dna took the path of nickel that is not a healthy solution. And I know exactly how it works. Its because I bought it, like evolv will buy VIR when it comes to market. We both have to know what the other man makes.
 

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I'm willing to bet they still will want the VIR:)
How did you came to that conclusion Ros? Anyway its a wrong conclusion of course. VIR boosts and back batteries. It was made like this a long time ago, before dna put this feature on dna40. VIR also vapes 2x3 volt batteries, something that no other device does.

As for the pics you just posted, VIR is wireless and has nothing to do with all these connections and wires and glues and plastics and ........... all this stuff.
Also, dont forget that VIR is less than half of dna or the devices they carry it. As for the size of the mod on your pics, I dont want to comment
 

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You simply dont know at what temperature you vape.

Nor do I need to. Start with a low setting, like 250F. Fire it. No vapor. Increase temperature setting until it begins to produce vapor with a known juice. Keep increasing until it produces satisfying, good tasting vapor. Verify that at this setting, it does not burn a dry wick. That's good enough for me, because if it doesn't burn a dry cotton or rayon wick, it doesn't get hot enough to produce toxic substances from e-liquid either.

So it's useless to see the state-of-charge of your battery at a glance? And it's useless to see what your mod thinks the resistance of a coil is, compared to what it theoretically should be based on a coil calculator? I find both of these very useful.

Some sort of inner conflict here.

I'm not saying that I agree 100% with whatever Imeo says but you come into the VIR thread and you change your tale so that it suits you most. Constructive criticism please.
 

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I guess it depends on how you define "works". Shows "correct" temperature on display? No. Vapes well and regulates temperature? Yes.

if it doesnt show the correct temperature, then I have no comment Ros :)
It regulates temperature? Ok, please put it at 520 degrees and at 40 watts :)


No sir, that's incorrect. If I use a mechanical or even a VV or VW regulated mod and I let the wick go dry, I have a burnt wick. DNA40 with nickel or titanium wire, set to an appropriate temperature will not burn the wick.
When I said that it vapes like a mech mod, I meant that if you cant reach the temperature quickly then you vape and vape until temperature reach the point you set. Then temperature stays where it is. So we are not talking here about temperature control but about a mech mod with a temperature limit control. The difference is huge if you agree.



Nor do I need to. Start with a low setting, like 250F. Fire it. No vapor. Increase temperature setting until it begins to produce vapor with a known juice. Keep increasing until it produces satisfying, good tasting vapor. Verify that at this setting, it does not burn a dry wick. That's good enough for me, because if it doesn't burn a dry cotton or rayon wick, it doesn't get hot enough to produce toxic substances from e-liquid either.
Now you are more than wrong Ros. I dont know from where to start and where to end answering.

Does 40 watts require stacked batteries? Many people do not think stacking batteries is very safe at all. Personally, I think it's OK, if (and only if!) you keep batteries in pairs all the time, even during charging, but will people actually do that?

Yes, 40 watts require stuck batteries. A single battery can work up to 25 watts if we want to have a serious vaping time and not just 15 mins of vaping with a 18650 battery.
As for the safety of stuck batteries, they are totaqlly safe if you keep them in pairs as you said. The myth that stuck batteries are dangerous has to stop.
 
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Hi Imeo, I think the VIR is great and I wouldn't change it in anyway. I just thought if you offered a second chip that had a screen and usb connection you could directly compete with the DNA40.

thats not far away Edo. Screen is coming. But more things than screen are coming. Now that I started making electronics I will make miracles
 

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if it doesnt show the correct temperature, then I have no comment Ros
Last time I looked, the VIR shows no temperature at all because it has no display!
It regulates temperature? Ok, please put it at 520 celsious and at 40 watts :)
Why would I want to vape at over 500°C?

Yes, 40 watts require stuck batteries. A single battery can work up to 25 watts if we want to have a serious vaping time and not just 15 mins of vaping with a 18650 battery.
Funny, I can vape an entire 6ml bottle of juice with a single 18650 battery with either a DNA30 or a DNA40. 6ml lasts me most of the day, not just 15 minutes.
 

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How did you came to that conclusion Ros?
A guess is not a conclusion, Imeo. But as for the basis of my guess, well, there's no reason that a well designed boost/buck regulator should need more than one cell to produce 40 watts.

As for the pics you just posted, VIR is wireless and has nothing to do with all these connections and wires and glues and plastics and ........... all this stuff.
I guess that's great for those who like tube mods. But personally, I don't care for tube mods.

Also, dont forget that VIR is less than half of dna or the devices they carry it.
Less than half of what? I suppose you are referring to some dimension, but it certainly isn't clear which one.

As for the size of the mod on your pics, I dont want to comment
Good, because without having some perspective to it's difficult to judge the size of a mod from pictures.

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This is a regulated bottom-feeding mod with an 18650 and 6ml of liquid on board. It fits happily in the same shirt pocket that I carried a pack of cigarettes for 36 years, and only the drip-tip peeks out. Of course, this type of mod, just like a tube mod, may not be for everyone. Years ago, Evolv was smart enough to recognize that not everyone likes the same style of mod. That's why the decided to make regulators that people could put in whatever style of mod they wanted instead of saying, "If you want our technology, you must buy our style of mod".

Let me know when I can buy a VIR regulator that I can put in the type of mod I like. I promise I will buy one and try it. :D
 

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Ros, I dont know if this conversation has a meaning any more. Your questions are not based on facts. Anyway, I will answer your previous posts and thats it.

1. You said that VIR has no display so you cant see if its accurate. So can you tell me how I found that dna is not accurate?

2. You asked why you have to vape on more than 500 degrees. Because thats where an e-cig produce serious smoke and because a device gives me this opportunity. If dna cant work well on more than 500 then it had to not put 600 degress limit on his device and he mustnt give me this "oportunity".
A serious device cant have half serious functions and half funny functions.

3. You said that you can vape 6ml with a 18650 battery. At what wattage? Maybe 8? Put your device at 40 watts and tell me how it will last.
Battery is a battery on all devices.

4. You said that your device gives 40 watts with 1 battery when VIR cant. Vir can do that but I put a limit on VIR just because the users will not be satisfied with the performance of 1 battery at 40 watts but only up to 25. I am trying to satisfy people and put the right limits, not the wrong ones.

5. You said that you dont care about tube mods.
Vir is made to be small for all devices, tubes or non tubes. The fact that you like non tubes means that you can vape at any size of non tubes? Maybe it means that you dont care about anything else but only for your vaping? Not the look, the width, the length, the engraving, the metals, the quality of construction? If its like that, then you need an electronic that will be the most serious around, something that you still dont have with your device. The conclusion is that you dont care about anything maybe? Because you said on previous posts that you dont care about accurancy.

6. I refer to dna40 of course. I thought that we are talking about this all this time

The size of your mod is at about 100-110 mm and fat as 5-6 batteries together. If you like it, its ok. I personally dont lol

7. Finally you said that: "Evolv was smart enough to recognize that not everyone likes the same style of mod. That's why the decided to make regulators that people could put in whatever style of mod they wanted instead of saying, "If you want our technology, you must buy our style of mod"

Your above statement means that dna is big to fit on non tube mods? So a small electronic cant fit on non tube mods? Also, modders that may buy VIR cant put it on tube mods because its small? :)
 
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1. You said that VIR has no display so you cant see if its accurate. So can you tell me how I found that dna is not accurate?
Perhaps you should tell us us exactly how you measured the temperatures it produces, maybe some pictures or a video? Show us the precise methodology you used and the data you collected. That way others can try to reproduce it and see if if they get the same results, or explain why the methodology you used is not correct. So far, all you've done is make a claim with zero evidence, something that's becoming a pattern.

2. You asked why you have to vape on more than 500 degrees. Because thats where an e-cig produce serious smoke and because a device gives me this opportunity. If dna cant work well on more than 500 then it had to not put 600 degress limit on his device and he mustnt give me this "oportunity".
Really? Do you not understand that the DNA40 uses the Fahrenheit scale, rather than Celsius? 600°F = 315°C.

Besides, I want vapor, not smoke. Smoke is unhealthy. Vapor much less so. :D

3. You said that you can vape 6ml with a 18650 battery. At what wattage? Maybe 8? Put your device at 40 watts and tell me how it will last. Battery is a battery on all devices.
Wait, isn't one of your claims that wattage is irrelevant with temperature control? It makes no real difference where I set the wattage because the builds I like will only take 15-20 watts continuously. Of course with the DNA I can actually see how much wattage my builds will accept while maintaining temperature, but the VIR has no means of showing that, does it?

In the end however, it takes a certain number of Joules (watt-seconds) of energy to turn a given amount of liquid into vapor, and the number of watts applied only do it faster or slower. Of course, pulling more watts from a battery will cause more battery sag under load, but this can easily be mitigated by putting multiple batteries in parallel rather than stacking them in series.

4. You said that your device gives 40 watts with 1 battery when VIR cant. Vir can do that but I put a limit on VIR just because the users will not be satisfied with the performance of 1 battery at 40 watts but only up to 25. I am trying to satisfy people and put the right limits, not the wrong ones.
Artificially set limits are for children. Is that how you regard your customers?

5. You said that you dont care about tube mods.
I said I don't care FOR them. That means I don't like them. But I understand that some people DO like mods that resemble certain other battery operated "toys". Is that a tube-mod in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? ;)

Maybe it means that you dont care about anything else but only for your vaping? Not the look, the width, the length, the engraving, the metals, the quality of construction?
Actually, I prefer wood because each piece has a unique natural beauty, but I will take plastic over metal because unlike metal, plastic is comfortable to hold even when it's cold in winter or has been out in the hot summer sun. Still, I understand that these are subjective choices.

6. I refer to dna40 of course. I thought that we are talking about this all this time
Which dimension do you object to? The 33mm length? The 16.5mm width? Or the 8mm thickness?

The size of your mod is at about 100-110 mm
No, the size is 95mm (height) x 51mm (width) x 25mm (thickness).

and fat as 5-6 batteries together.
Your statements become more and more absurd. Here it is with 5 batteries:

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So a small electronic cant fit on non tube mods?
So how about some pictures of the VIR electronics? And exact dimensions of those electronics? How about some other specs too, such as the maximum current it will supply, and the minimum and maximum voltages it will produce?

Oh, and if it's "wireless", how does one integrate it into a mod that isn't a tube?
 

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Ros, if you feel the need to support a modder, do it on his own forum. Of course my suggestion is to pick me as your favorite modder and stay here where you can learn some serious things, use some serious stuff and enjoy the way I treat to my people than being aggressive more and more :)
 

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I'll repeat myself because your answers are very opportunistic; you talk about displays only when it fits your agenda.

As to this
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the only thing I can do is smile. Your mod is almost as wide as 3 * 18650 batteries and almost 1.5 times taller and yet you go on to talk about style...

As for "artificial" limits, they're all over the place. Most of the times in the form of a regulating body to prevent people from harming themselves due to their own stupidity/ignorance.
 

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what is done is done Bud and its history now. No reason to delete anything. Some people have to be more careful next time.

Anyway, I dont have any news about VIR to post here on its own thread. The only I want to say is that tomorrow I am going to assemble 12 units on my new assembling machine to see if all go well.
 
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