I see many people posting about how great the Fluxos are (and I have to agree), but the posts always end up saying 'why don't they work out of the box?' or 'I don't want to have to mod them' or 'Here's how you mod them'. I don't mind modding them, and I do love them. My favorite mod is to use a pice of wick and lay it right on top of the installed wick. It's pretty much a miracle cure. But if you want an out of the box vaping beast, look no further than the Vision Grande. I haven't seen many posts about them, so I don't know if anyone is having issues with them, but they work out of the box. No mods. Fill it and go to town. Vapes like a freight train with no dry hits. I just wanted to give some love to the Grandes, and maybe an option to someon on the edge....Peace. Love. Vape.