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[5150sick]

" "A kid theoretically who's 7 or 8 can walk in and buy an e-cigarette today. That's crazy, absolutely crazy," Dewine said.
Most stores will not sell an e-cigarette to anyone under the age of eighteen. But on-line all you need is a credit card to purchase e-cigarette. "

Even in theory land kids that are 7 or 8 do not have credit cards let alone mysterious packages showing up at the house without a parent opening it first.

"Dewine say e-cigarettes are viewed like a tobacco product to the FDA even though they contain no tobacco. Dewine says there's no oversight to ensure they're safe and that's why he believes they could be sold to minors."

What???

 

[AgentAnia]

" "A kid theoretically who's 7 or 8 can walk in and buy an e-cigarette today. That's crazy, absolutely crazy," Dewine said.
Most stores will not sell an e-cigarette to anyone under the age of eighteen. But on-line all you need is a credit card to purchase e-cigarette. "

Even in theory land kids that are 7 or 8 do not have credit cards let alone mysterious packages showing up at the house without a parent opening it first.

"Dewine say e-cigarettes are viewed like a tobacco product to the FDA even though they contain no tobacco. Dewine says there's no oversight to ensure they're safe and that's why he believes they could be sold to minors."

What???

You are spot on questioning these statements. Without going back to the article (have had enough stress today...) I believe Dewine is the Ohio AG and was one of the signors to the infamous collective AG letter to the FDA urging regulation? Assuming I'm correct, and going by his statements as quoted, I infer he hasn't a clue about ecigs, and some ANTZ probably shoved the letter under his nose, gave him a 60-second spiel on the evils of vaping and a pen, and said "sign here." And he did. And by extension, I now have to wonder how many of the other AG's who signed the letter did it exactly the same way...

 

[rothenbj]

They claim that "they" tested and found DEG, they didn't say that the FDA tested and found it. I'd guess that was a 100% lie and, if not, it would have gotten massive coverage across the country. Fud reporting all the way.

 

[Vocalek]

Am I the only person that questions the FDA's "study" that found diethylene glycol in that 1 single cartridge from 5 years ago?

Seriously? If I were trying to ban something and were as powerful as some of the people involved and none of the test results were coming out in my favor, How hard would it have been to fake the results or even slip a little diethylene glycol into one of the samples?

Nope. You are not alone. I wrote this FDA's partial truths and exaggerations endanger health

The quantity of Diethylene Glycol (DEG) found, 1% in a cartridge that holds about 1/2 ml of liquid, is a mere 5 mg. The EU's Scientific Committee on Consumer products estimated that the "no observable adverse event level" (NOAEL) of DEG is was 50 mg/kg bw/day. So we are not talking death here, we are talking about generating an adverse event. This would requie an intake of 50 mg. of DEG for every kilogram you weigh, all within a 24-hour window. For a 200 pound man, this would represent 90 kg times 50 mg = 4,500 mg. At 5 mg per cartridge, to obtain that dose would require ingesting (drinking) the contents of 900 cartridges in a single day.

I specify drinking because, so for, no toxicology test has ever found DEG in vapor. This is probably due to the fact that DEG vaporizes at a higher temperature than the average operating temperature of an e-cigarette atomizer.

The most likely reason for the presence of DEG in the liquid is that the batch of propylene glycol (PG) or glycerin contained a small contamination of DEG. In 2009, all e-cigarette cartridges were made in China. It's possible that the manufacturer failed to use pharmaceutical grade (USP) PG which must have a purity greater than 99.8% or glycerin which has a safety limit of 0.1% for DEG. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/.../Guidances/ucm070347.pdf

The FDA safety limit assumes that the glycerin will be consumed orally. But vapers don't drink e-liquid (sane vapers, at least.) What about inhalation? Here is one study: http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/2/143.full.pdf

It is concluded that exposure of rats to DEGEE for 6 hr a day over a period of 28 days at a concentration of 1.1 mg/ liter, which is in excess of the saturated vapor concentrations, causes no changes indicative of a systemic effect.

 

[Spazmelda]

Somewhat good news... Seems like vapers made a difference and they did some editing. I'm not sure if its the same link, so I'll post again:

http
://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/23782792/e-cigarettes-what-are-you-smoking-a-wtol-11-special-report

Looks like they shot another video as well, but I haven't watched that yet. The original b&m owner seems satisfied and relieved with the outcome. Thanks for helping him out everyone! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...a-destroying-brick-mortar-3.html#post11341972

 

[rothenbj]

That follow up video was exceptional. It's not often that the media will move off a stance that they took. The backflow after the first story must have hit them hard.

 

[AgentAnia]

That follow up video was exceptional. It's not often that the media will move off a stance that they took. The backflow after the first story must have hit them hard.

I didn't watch the original video or the follow-up one, so I'll take your word on that, rothenbj. As for the article, the only substantive change (from what I recall of the original) was that they corrected their reference to "their" study and admitted it was the FDA 2009 study they were referring to, which they then (rightly, thankyouverymuch) countered with the Drexel study:

Back in 2009, the Food and Drug Administration took a look inside several e-cigarettes, and found they were made up of water, alcohol, nicotine, and in one instance Diethylene Glycol. which is a chemical used in anti-freeze. The ingredient prompted the Food and Drug Administration to issue a health warning.

In response, a clinical researcher from Drexel University conducted his own study of e-cigarette contents, and found that the FDA's trace of diethylene glycol was only found in a single sample of early technology.

All in all, though, it's encouraging to know our comments to them made a difference. RIGHT ON!

 

[Spazmelda]

I finally got to watch the video, and it was very good.